Buyer Beware- members are losing points over the COVID-19 situation

[Sandisw]

That's true. Thus, how is a "better" plan than just letting those points expire? Like I said earlier, someone will get stuck losing points, so why shift the pain to those who are not directly impacted by the closure?

LAX

They may have determined that no chance to use the expired points had the potential to be questionable in terms of legality?

I don’t really know for sure, but many owners wanted some sort of relief and I think DVCM decided to try and give some, I think this may explain why they allowed borrowed points back so they could offer relief.

I also think it is why they did not include Aug UY 2018 banked points, Those canceled from March and April should already have been rebooked in June or July.

 

[ScubaCat]

Nothing would be seen as fair to everyone. This at least seems to take into account both short term and long term responsbilities,

That's the point I was trying to make. I also think there will be further case-by-case issues worked out for certain members. This just alleviates having to manually accommodate *everyone*.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

I agree with "robbing Peter to pay Paul" part, but I doubt extending the points "ultimately shares the pain." It would be inevitable some members will end up losing points while others won't. Those that are more savvy with booking reservations or willing to invest the time and effort on "walking" will win. I doubt ALL members will end up losing some points each with this plan. To me, this is more like shifting the pain, rather sharing it.

LAX

Shifting would mean moving it completely off the affected April and June UY's to an entire different set of owners. That is unlikely to be the case. They will have a little extra time to use points that otherwise would have expired however it doesn't mean that they get to select a time to go that is exactly what they want or exactly where they want to stay if they do elect to use them for a DVC stay during the extra 6 months they are receiving. Those 2 UY's also get to bank points that they certainly would have banked had they known the resorts were going to be closed. The greatest change is for those who use their membership in borrowing mode although if you consider that it was the one set of points that had been given an exception to start out it's a bit of a trade off. That was an exception given to all UY's for reservations from closure thru the summer so it had the potential to cover a lot of owners.

I think there's likely still a few more UY's that may need to be considered for an extension on expiring banked points but I think this is a good reflection that Disney and DVC's do wish to assist affected owners and IMO has a fairness that is understandable.

 

[Aussie RJ]

That's true. Thus, how is this a "better" plan than just letting those points expire? Like I said earlier, someone will get stuck losing points, so why shift the pain to those who are not directly impacted by the closure?

LAX

Ye of little faith. Disney has done nothing but accommodate its patrons across all forms and now this includes DVC. So far they have given the only answer they can. As time moves on and this issue worsens they will provide further measures. Sit back, stay healthy and be proud that DVC has done right by its members.

 

[tjkraz]

If nothing else, the new policy gives all owners SOME ability to use their points. DVC no longer has to live with the narrative that "my trip was cancelled because of Covid and I lost my points without Disney offering any compensation." Some people will inevitably find it difficult-to-impossible to use points under these terms, but that's more of an individual owner issue than a Disney issue. Few people are going to downgrade DVC's reputation when they gave owners 30 months to use their April & June 2018 points.

The borrowing restriction is an inconvenience. It will probably impact our plans for 2021. But again I don't think many people will permanently ding DVC's reputation over that move. IMO, it's a reasonable restriction to accommodate a very unique, unexpected set of circumstances.

 

[glamdring269]

Moving your plans one year out is not decimating your plans; losing two years worth of points would be decimating your plans. It is an inconvenience but one that is necessary to prevent certain people from losing all their points. I'm sorry but I can't feel one bit of sorry for these minor restrictions when the alternative is people losing points they can never recover. If this had happened near the end of your use year and you had a trip planned, I can't imagine you complaining about the solution, you have to be fair and this spreads some of a relatively small burden across the group vs certain people actually bearing the entire cost of this random event at a random time.

I assume you were referencing my post since I’m the one who used the word ‘decimate’. Regardless of your opinion it does in fact decimate our plans. We planned to go to Disney next year during the 2021 celebration. We may not be able to do that now. Minor inconvenience? Could be. I never said I was outraged just that it potentially decimated our plans for 2021 which is factual if we are unable to borrow points.

Of course I also stated that Disney’s point regarding the 50% banking restriction was vague.It just states the upcoming year is restricted. Our trip will be in oct 2021 so perhaps we will not actually be impacted.

Like I said in a separate post I’m happy that folks who were impacted on this side of the pandemic are being given an out. But it does impact folks on the other side of the equation as well. We’ll come up with an alternate plan of course regardless of what happens but it’s not disingenuous to say that with the vagueness of the 50% reference that our plans for 2021 are potentially decimated.

 

[Soap_1984]

That's true. Thus, how is this a "better" plan than just letting those points expire? Like I said earlier, someone will get stuck losing points, so why shift the pain to those who are not directly impacted by the closure?

LAX

Because if you let points expire that you couldn't bank then it is arguably at least somewhat your fault. The virus is no one's fault, so to have the random people who fell into this time frame bear the brunt seems more unfair. Thus it is a better plan. They are offering cash guests their money back and discounts at certain periods, are you going to whine about that because you didn't book a trip that was cancelled so can't access the special rate? I can't believe how sorry people feel for themselves, the premise from disney was never that people would lose their points; your reference point is based on speculation that turned out not to be true. I guess your view on the coronavirus is the old people who are at risk should just die because you shouldn't be minorly inconvenienced? Logically, it is the same basic premise..

 

[LAX]

Because if you let points expire that you couldn't bank then it is arguably at least somewhat your fault. The virus is no one's fault, so to have the random people who fell into this time frame bear the brunt seems more unfair. Thus it is a better plan. They are offering cash guests their money back and discounts at certain periods, are you going to whine about that because you didn't book a trip that was cancelled so can't access the special rate? I can't believe how sorry people feel for themselves, the premise from disney was never that people would lose their points; your reference point is based on speculation that turned out not to be true. I guess your view on the coronavirus is the old people who are at risk should just die because you shouldn't be minorly inconvenienced? Logically, it is the same basic premise..

I suggest you read a bit more on other people's posts before attacking them based on your own preconceived notion about their stance. I have never whined about how this pandemic would impact my DVC usage. All I have been saying in different threads is that this unfortunate event will impact people in different ways and to different degrees. I personally never expect that someone else (or some corporations) would make me whole should I end up suffering losses as a result of this because I strongly feel that this is no one's fault, which is what I often suggest to others on other threads.

What I have stated in this thread is the fact that some people will end up losing points and it will be more than just a "minor inconvenience" for some despite of what some people claim. Some of these people will be those who have not been directly impacted by this closure. If you feel it's more fair for them to lose points than those that have their expiring points extended, that's your perspective, but it doesn't make it better or more fair. If you claim the pandemic is not your fault (which I don't disagree), whose fault is it for those that end up have their reservation displaced by these expiring points?

LAX

 

[Sandisw]

I suggest you read a bit more on other people's posts before attacking them based on your own preconceived notion about their stance. I have never whined about how this pandemic would impact my DVC usage. All I have been saying in different threads is that this unfortunate event will impact people in different ways and to different degrees. I personally never expect that someone else (or some corporations) would make me whole should I end up suffering losses as a result of this because I strongly feel that this is no one's fault, which is what I often suggest to others on other threads.

What I have stated in this thread is the fact that some people will end up losing points and it will be more than just a "minor inconvenience" for some despite of what some people claim. Some of these people will be those who have not been directly impacted by this closure. If you feel it's more fair for them to lose points than those that have their expiring points extended, that's your perspective, but it doesn't make it better or more fair. If you claim the pandemic is not your fault (which I don't disagree), whose fault is it for those that end up have their reservation displaced by these expiring points?

LAX

But the borrowing limitations will help to absorb some of that. Also, don't you think many owners have already booked for summer and fall?

The expiring points that were given 6 months extension are going to be valid for times when rooms are historically available at 60 to 90 days out,

So, I do think that some will be absorbed by rooms that may have in the past sold as cash rooms for breakage,

Sounds like now that the June points won’t be available for booking until June. That doesn’t leave them a lot of time to book and with a Dec 1st end date, i bet a lot of those points dont get booked, extended or not.

 

[SL6827]

It is apparently part of the authority BVTC has. They can create new 7 month charts for non home resort bookings. They don’t have to maintain the total point balance.

So, it is a way to eat up points in the system. I don’t think it would impact MFs, I don’t have the actual BVTC document to see exactly why it says

Another tid bit I had no idea about. I would be livid if I owned DVC and they did this, because I do/did like to sleep around. If they did this would it benefit Disney more in some way?

 

[Sandisw]

Another tid bit I had no idea about. I would be livid if I owned DVC and they did this, because I do/did like to sleep around. If they did this would it benefit Disney more in some way?

Not really sure but it could create more rooms to be booked as breakage, which anything earned over the cap, goes to them.

But, it appears they arent going that route. As I said, people are not always aware of the nitty gritty details.

 

[ELMC]

Was it my optimism or everyone else's negativity. I say this to my wife all the time, but it gets tiring being right all the time.

Now what to do with my points...

It must be hard being so smart and so right all the time. While you may have gotten your points back, you'll notice that this exception only applies to those owners who had existing reservations that got canceled. They're not doing anything for all those owners who have banked points and no opportunity to use them. But hey, at least you came out whole right?

 

[SL6827]

Not really sure but it could create more rooms to be booked as breakage, which anything earned over the cap, goes to them.

But, it appears they arent going that route. As I said, people are not always aware of the nitty gritty details.

Right, that is what I was thinking. More breakage. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't just try that at some point in the future. We all know they want more breakage. They weren't successful with doing that here recently but it sure doesn't mean they won't try again at some point.

 

[ELMC]

Moving your plans one year out is not decimating your plans; losing two years worth of points would be decimating your plans. It is an inconvenience but one that is necessary to prevent certain people from losing all their points. I'm sorry but I can't feel one bit of sorry for these minor restrictions when the alternative is people losing points they can never recover. If this had happened near the end of your use year and you had a trip planned, I can't imagine you complaining about the solution, you have to be fair and this spreads some of a relatively small burden across the group vs certain people actually bearing the entire cost of this random event at a random time.

Says the person who didn't lose anything in this ordeal. Interesting perspective.

 

[LAX]

Says the person who didn't lose anything in this ordeal. Interesting perspective.

Hey, it's not MY fault that this pandemic resulted in the closure, it's only fair that anyone but ME that is impacted. Plus, it's only a "minor inconvenience" anyway.

LAX