Bush - Worst President Ever?

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How should the French have responded to the heat wave anyway? Should they have purchased everyone an air conditioner?

My relatives also live in a country where air conditioning is a rare commodity. They've had heat waves but they accept them as rare and unfortunate occurrences and I don't recall anyone blaming the government for not making them cooler.

As for an adulterer being in office, better that than a warmonger. JMHO.
 
Charade said:
oh boy! How'd I miss this!!

POPCORN!!! STAT!!!

LOL! This was my first reaction, too. I have popcorn AND Raisinettes.

(We now return you to our current programming.)


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I keep finding factually incorrect posts by the Clinton haters on this thread....

When did I say I hate Clinton? As usual, you put words in my mouth and mislead people.

And you can spend 10 more hours finding links, and it won't change the fact that Clinton did nothing to address the terror threat. It doesn't matter how much money he threw around or how much paper he pushed. He left the CIA as an ineffectice bureaucracy, did little or nothing after the first attack on the WTC, the USS Cole, Somalia, and multiple U.S. Embassy bombings.

Mugg Mann, if you don't believe me maybe you can read Bin Laden's own words. He SAW THE U.S. AS WEAK when there was no response after these incidents.
 
Skylarr29 said:
I dont agree. Actually I think the worst president... during my life at least... is Bill Clinton. Lets have an adulturor and a huge lier for a President. I think that is worse. He tarnished the name of this country.He's pitiful.
I think he left a lot to be criticized for. 8 years of terrorism against the United States that went poorly responded to, sent a very clear message to OBL, IMO. I also agree with your statements as well.
 

Skylarr29 said:
I dont agree. Actually I think the worst president... during my life at least... is Bill Clinton. Lets have an adulturor and a huge lier for a President. I think that is worse. He tarnished the name of this country.He's pitiful.

So you think a President who lies about his sex life is worse than a President who lies about why he sent his country to war?

:rolleyes:
 
DawnCt1 said:
Wikipaedia is a poor source to reference. Anyone can contribute and write anything they want about anybody. Not verified and often not true.

Please provide contrary information - if you can.



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DukeStreetKing said:
I will admit my knowledge of politics is not what it could be, but I really don't think Jimmy Carter was all that great of a president. Granted, he did great things with the Middle East peace talks but what else did he do? He is wonderfully giving of his time and energies for the Habitat For Humanity, but that is after his presidency.

I'm not thrilled with what George W. Bush has done but I personally don't think he is the worst president ever.

Jimmy Carter, Richard Nixon, James Buchanan, etc. made some bad decisions. George Bush is clueless. That's the distinction that makes Bush the all-time worst president. Any man who can make Richard Nixon look good is in a class by himself.
 
WIcruizer said:
When did I say I hate Clinton? As usual, you put words in my mouth and mislead people.

And you can spend 10 more hours finding links, and it won't change the fact that Clinton did nothing to address the terror threat. It doesn't matter how much money he threw around or how much paper he pushed. He left the CIA as an ineffectice bureaucracy, did little or nothing after the first attack on the WTC, the USS Cole, Somalia, and multiple U.S. Embassy bombings.

Mugg Mann, if you don't believe me maybe you can read Bin Laden's own words. He SAW THE U.S. AS WEAK when there was no response after these incidents.

The perpetrators of the first WTC bombing were tried, convicted, and have been in prison for nearly 10 years.

The Bush administration has yet to arrest, least of all convict, anyone in connectionw with the 9/11 bombing.

However, they do have the 20th hijacker in custody: They've got one in Pakistan, one in Virginia, one in Jordan........do you see a pattern developing here?
 
WIcruizer said:
When did I say I hate Clinton? As usual, you put words in my mouth and mislead people.

And you can spend 10 more hours finding links, and it won't change the fact that Clinton did nothing to address the terror threat. It doesn't matter how much money he threw around or how much paper he pushed. He left the CIA as an ineffectice bureaucracy, did little or nothing after the first attack on the WTC, the USS Cole, Somalia, and multiple U.S. Embassy bombings.

Mugg Mann, if you don't believe me maybe you can read Bin Laden's own words. He SAW THE U.S. AS WEAK when there was no response after these incidents.

Hmmm...how do I address this? Do I use continue to use facts, which you have proven you will ignore when they contradict what you want to believe?

Should I point out that you still didn't intellectually validate your point by providing a link that proves your statement that it's been demonstrated that Clinton did nothing when I've just proven to you that particular statement is false?

Should I make note of your attempt to emulate the Bush administration by trying to turn attention away from the weakness of your argument by trying to turn the conversation on a minor point in your first sentence? I don't believe you've actually used the exact words "Clinton Hater" in a post, but I can produce numerous posts written by you that validate that theory. If it will make you happy, I'm happy to apologize, so that we can concentrate on important issues such as your ongoing habit of being unable to substantiate your claims with verifiable links.

Based on your past history and your post, I know you didn't open any of the links provided in order to avoid the danger of running into a possible conflict between your opinions and reality, so I'm going to help you out. To save you time, here's the one link that addresses a great deal of your post.

http://www.snopes2.com/rumors/clinton.htm

On 26 February 1993, a car loaded with 1,200 pounds of explosives blew up in a parking garage under the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring about a thousand others. The blast did not, as its planners intended, bring down the towers — that was finally accomplished by flying two hijacked airliners into the twin towers on the morning of 11 September 2001.
Four followers of the Egyptian cleric Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman were captured, convicted of the World Trade Center bombing in March 1994, and sentenced to 240 years in prison each. The purported mastermind of the plot, Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, was captured in 1995, convicted of the bombing in November 1997, and also sentenced to 240 years in prison. One additional suspect fled the U.S. and is believed to be living in Baghdad.


On 13 November 1995, a bomb was set off in a van parked in front of an American-run military training center in the Saudi Arabian capital of Riyadh, killing five Americans and two Indians. Saudi Arabian authorities arrested four Saudi nationals whom they claim confessed to the bombings, but U.S. officials were denied permission to see or question the suspects before they were convicted and beheaded in May 1996.

On 25 June 1996, a ****y-trapped truck loaded with 5,000 pounds of explosives was exploded outside the Khobar Towers apartment complex which housed United States military personnel in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killing nineteen Americans and wounding about three hundred others. Once again, the U.S. investigation was hampered by the refusal of Saudi officials to allow the FBI to question suspects.
On 21 June 2001, just before the American statute of limitations would have expired, a federal grand jury in Alexandria, Virginia, indicted thirteen Saudis and an unidentified Lebanese chemist for the Khobar Towers bombing. The suspects remain in Saudi custody, beyond the reach of the American justice system. (Saudi Arabia has no extradition treaty with the U.S.)


On 7 August 1998, powerful car bombs exploded minutes apart outside the United States embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, killing 224 people and wounding about 5,000 others. Four participants with ties to Osama bin Laden were captured, convicted in U.S. federal court, and sentenced to life in prison without parole in October 2001. Fourteen other suspects indicted in the case remain at large, and three more are fighting extradition in London.

On 12 October 2000, two suicide bombers detonated an explosives-laden skiff next to the USS Cole while it was refueling in Aden, Yemen, blasting a hole in the ship that killed 17 sailors and injured 37 others. No suspects have yet been arrested or indicted. The investigation has been hampered by the refusal of Yemini officials to allow FBI agents access to Yemeni nationals and other suspects in custody in Yemen.
(The USS Cole bombing occurred one month before the 2000 presidential election, so even under the best of circumstances it was unlikely that the investigation could have been completed before the end of President Clinton's term of office three months later.)

In August 1998, President Clinton ordered missile strikes against targets in Afghanistan in an effort to hit Osama bin Laden, who had been linked to the embassy bombings in Africa (and was later connected to the attack on the USS Cole). The missiles reportedly missed bin Laden by a few hours, and Clinton was widely criticized by many who claimed he had ordered the strikes primarily to draw attention away from the Monica Lewinsky scandal. As John F. Harris wrote in The Washington Post:

In August 1998, when [Clinton] ordered missile strikes in an effort to kill Osama bin Laden, there was widespread speculation — from such people as Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) — that he was acting precipitously to draw attention away from the Monica S. Lewinsky scandal, then at full boil. Some said he was mistaken for personalizing the terrorism struggle so much around bin Laden. And when he ordered the closing of Pennsylvania Avenue in front of the White House after domestic terrorism in Oklahoma City, some Republicans accused him of hysteria.
. . . the federal budget on anti-terror activities tripled during Clinton's watch, to about $6.7 billion. After the effort to kill bin Laden with missiles in August 1998 failed — he had apparently left a training camp in Afghanistan a few hours earlier — recent news reports have detailed numerous other instances, as late as December 2000, when Clinton was on the verge of unleashing the military again. In each case, the White House chose not to act because of uncertainty that intelligence was good enough to find bin Laden, and concern that a failed attack would only enhance his stature in the Arab world.

. . . people maintain Clinton should have adapted Bush's policy promising that regimes that harbor terrorism will be treated as severely as terrorists themselves, and threatening to evict the Taliban from power in Afghanistan unless leaders meet his demands to produce bin Laden and associates. But Clinton aides said such a policy — potentially involving a full-scale war in central Asia — was not plausible before politics the world over became transformed by one of history's most lethal acts of terrorism.

Clinton's former national security adviser, Samuel R. Berger . . . said there [was] little prospect . . . that Pakistan would have helped the United States wage war against bin Laden or the Taliban in 1998, even after such outrages as the bombing of U.S. embassies overseas.


Let's keep this simple, WICruizer, so that even you have the possibility of understanding. There were two terrorist attacks on American soil during the Clinton administration, and on both occasions the masterminds of the attacks were caught and prosecuted. There's been one terrorist attack on American soil during the Bush administration, and that mastermind has not been caught and prosecuted.

Summarizing the point, number of masterminds of domestic terrorist attacks during each administration caught and prosecuted;
Clinton 2
Bush 0
 
boomhauer said:
So you think a President who lies about his sex life is worse than a President who lies about why he sent his country to war?

:rolleyes:

Don't you get it. Bill Clinton's "lewinsky" gives Bush carte blanch to tank the economy, bankrupt the treasury, start a war he can't win, etc.

Priorities............and my guess those who are complaining the most about Bill Clinton would give their left cajone to have the portfolio they had during the Clinton administration.
 
LadyDay said:
Don't you get it. Bill Clinton's "lewinsky" gives Bush carte blanch to tank the economy, bankrupt the treasury, start a war he can't win, etc.

:rotfl2:
 
Mugg Mann said:
Hmmm...how do I address this? Do I use continue to use facts, which you have proven you will ignore when they contradict what you want to believe?

Should I point out that you still didn't intellectually validate your point by providing a link that proves your statement that it's been demonstrated that Clinton did nothing when I've just proven to you that particular statement is false?

Should I make note of your attempt to emulate the Bush administration by trying to turn attention away from the weakness of your argument by trying to turn the conversation on a minor point in your first sentence?

Based on your past history and your post, I know you didn't open any of the links provided in order to avoid the danger of running into a possible conflict between your opinions and reality, so I'm going to help you out. To save you time, here's the one link that addresses a great deal of your post.

http://www.snopes2.com/rumors/clinton.htm

On 26 February 1993, a car loaded with 1,200 pounds of explosives blew up in a parking garage under the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring about a thousand others. The blast did not, as its planners intended, bring down the towers — that was finally accomplished by flying two hijacked airliners into the twin towers on the morning of 11 September 2001.
Four followers of the Egyptian cleric Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman were captured, convicted of the World Trade Center bombing in March 1994, and sentenced to 240 years in prison each. The purported mastermind of the plot, Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, was captured in 1995, convicted of the bombing in November 1997, and also sentenced to 240 years in prison. One additional suspect fled the U.S. and is believed to be living in Baghdad.


On 13 November 1995, a bomb was set off in a van parked in front of an American-run military training center in the Saudi Arabian capital of Riyadh, killing five Americans and two Indians. Saudi Arabian authorities arrested four Saudi nationals whom they claim confessed to the bombings, but U.S. officials were denied permission to see or question the suspects before they were convicted and beheaded in May 1996.

On 25 June 1996, a ****y-trapped truck loaded with 5,000 pounds of explosives was exploded outside the Khobar Towers apartment complex which housed United States military personnel in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killing nineteen Americans and wounding about three hundred others. Once again, the U.S. investigation was hampered by the refusal of Saudi officials to allow the FBI to question suspects.
On 21 June 2001, just before the American statute of limitations would have expired, a federal grand jury in Alexandria, Virginia, indicted thirteen Saudis and an unidentified Lebanese chemist for the Khobar Towers bombing. The suspects remain in Saudi custody, beyond the reach of the American justice system. (Saudi Arabia has no extradition treaty with the U.S.)


On 7 August 1998, powerful car bombs exploded minutes apart outside the United States embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, killing 224 people and wounding about 5,000 others. Four participants with ties to Osama bin Laden were captured, convicted in U.S. federal court, and sentenced to life in prison without parole in October 2001. Fourteen other suspects indicted in the case remain at large, and three more are fighting extradition in London.

On 12 October 2000, two suicide bombers detonated an explosives-laden skiff next to the USS Cole while it was refueling in Aden, Yemen, blasting a hole in the ship that killed 17 sailors and injured 37 others. No suspects have yet been arrested or indicted. The investigation has been hampered by the refusal of Yemini officials to allow FBI agents access to Yemeni nationals and other suspects in custody in Yemen.
(The USS Cole bombing occurred one month before the 2000 presidential election, so even under the best of circumstances it was unlikely that the investigation could have been completed before the end of President Clinton's term of office three months later.)

In August 1998, President Clinton ordered missile strikes against targets in Afghanistan in an effort to hit Osama bin Laden, who had been linked to the embassy bombings in Africa (and was later connected to the attack on the USS Cole). The missiles reportedly missed bin Laden by a few hours, and Clinton was widely criticized by many who claimed he had ordered the strikes primarily to draw attention away from the Monica Lewinsky scandal. As John F. Harris wrote in The Washington Post:

In August 1998, when [Clinton] ordered missile strikes in an effort to kill Osama bin Laden, there was widespread speculation — from such people as Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) — that he was acting precipitously to draw attention away from the Monica S. Lewinsky scandal, then at full boil. Some said he was mistaken for personalizing the terrorism struggle so much around bin Laden. And when he ordered the closing of Pennsylvania Avenue in front of the White House after domestic terrorism in Oklahoma City, some Republicans accused him of hysteria.
. . . the federal budget on anti-terror activities tripled during Clinton's watch, to about $6.7 billion. After the effort to kill bin Laden with missiles in August 1998 failed — he had apparently left a training camp in Afghanistan a few hours earlier — recent news reports have detailed numerous other instances, as late as December 2000, when Clinton was on the verge of unleashing the military again. In each case, the White House chose not to act because of uncertainty that intelligence was good enough to find bin Laden, and concern that a failed attack would only enhance his stature in the Arab world.

. . . people maintain Clinton should have adapted Bush's policy promising that regimes that harbor terrorism will be treated as severely as terrorists themselves, and threatening to evict the Taliban from power in Afghanistan unless leaders meet his demands to produce bin Laden and associates. But Clinton aides said such a policy — potentially involving a full-scale war in central Asia — was not plausible before politics the world over became transformed by one of history's most lethal acts of terrorism.

Clinton's former national security adviser, Samuel R. Berger . . . said there [was] little prospect . . . that Pakistan would have helped the United States wage war against bin Laden or the Taliban in 1998, even after such outrages as the bombing of U.S. embassies overseas.


Let's keep this simple, WICruizer, so that even you have the possibility of understanding. There were two terrorist attacks on American soil during the Clinton administration, and on both occasions the masterminds of the attacks were caught and prosecuted. There's been one terrorist attack on American soil during the Bush administration, and that mastermind has not been caught and prosecuted.

Summarizing the point, number of masterminds of domestic terrorist attacks during each administration caught and prosecuted;
Clinton 2
Bush 0

You don't get it either.

Doesn't matter because Bill Clinton didn't use the chickenhawk method of choice to deal with terrorism: Invade a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, have 2100+ Americans die, wound 15,000+, bankrupt the treasury, bust the National Guard, etc.

But, damn, Bush sure looked good during his "Wanted dead or alive" Dodge City fantasy. And that's all that matters.
 
Wanna know what I find amazing: After 5 years of Bush, there are still people in this country who cannot answer the OP with a one word answer..........YES.
 
LadyDay said:
You don't get it either.

Doesn't matter because Bill Clinton didn't use the chickenhawk method of choice to deal with terrorism: Invade a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, have 2100+ Americans die, wound 15,000+, bankrupt the treasury, bust the National Guard, etc.

But, damn, Bush sure looked good during his "Wanted dead or alive" Dodge City fantasy. And that's all that matters.

Good thing I speak fluent sarcasm!!! :rotfl2:

You did forget to mention the current "Plan for Victory" now in place for the "Mission Accomplished" many, many months ago.............
 
So you think a President who lies about his sex life is worse than a President who lies about why he sent his country to war?

You lose all credibility when you say he lied.

Don't you get it. Bill Clinton's "lewinsky" gives Bush carte blanch to tank the economy, bankrupt the treasury, start a war he can't win, etc.

Whar are you talking about? The economy is roaring! Start a war he can't win? Thank you Mr. Dean. Not only will we win this war, but it is going extremely well.

And Mugg Mann, I'll keep this simple considering the simple mind I'm dealing with. I'm not an awkward geek who has hours to spend finding and posting links, typing paragraphs of drivel, and bringing up every trivial point imaginable. You can continue to whimper in the corner, I'll continue to praise President Bush's decision to go to war. He won, you lost. And if he ran again today he would STILL beat Hillary, Kerry, Dean or any other hack the Dems would run. Why" Despite any polling, people act very differently when they have to actually vote. And they'll vote for a true leader who will protect them over second guessing hand wringers every time.
 
WIcruizer said:
You lose all credibility when you say he lied.



Whar are you talking about? The economy is roaring! Start a war he can't win? Thank you Mr. Dean. Not only will we win this war, but it is going extremely well.

I won't be rude, but if you don't think Bush has lied since day 1 about this war, you are in ALMOST as much denial as you would have to be to say the economy is roaring and this war is going "extremely well."
 
WIcruizer said:
And if he ran again today he would STILL beat Hillary, Kerry, Dean or any other hack the Dems would run. Why" Despite any polling, people act very differently when they have to actually vote. And they'll vote for a true leader who will protect them over second guessing hand wringers every time.

Keep telling yourself that.
 
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