Bush - Worst President Ever?

[eclectics]

That's my fault - I apologize. I was just using the same header as was listed on yahoo news.

Sorry about that.

No need to apologize. I'm sure a lot of Dis'ers missed the other one. Political threads always attract a crowd.

 

[boomhauer]

So now a lack of personal responsibility is the President's fault?

Oh come on.

If you're denying that all time high cases of bankruptcy isn't a sign of the poor economic times, you're not being realistic or very honest.

I'm not saying it's all the president's fault. But to deny a connection is naive.

 

[TnKrBeLlA012]

A bit touchy, but 'k. Please excuse my Britishness; over here, our Prime Minister is treated as an equal and is usually referred to in conversation as "Tony" or "Ton'"



Rich::

I thought you were eating? Some of us are a little touchy. I for one respect the President and the hard job he has had to do. For what this sitting President has gone through I give him alot of credit.

 

[tubaman]

He has proved to be incompetent in affairs domestic (New Orleans) and foreign ( Iraq and the battle against al-Qaida);

Am I the only one who thinks that New Orleans Mayor really messed up?

 

[tubaman]

For what this sitting President has gone through I give him alot of credit.

Yes!!

 

[boomhauer]

I for one respect the President and the hard job he has had to do. For what this sitting President has gone through I give him alot of credit.

Now, where is that thread that talked about the fact that this president has taken more vacation time than any of the presidents that preceeded him?

 

[Chicago526]

It was ABC. Sorry, but I don't remember the reporter's name. He was new.
If I see him again and come across his name, I will be sure to let ya know.

He was interviewing a group of people outside the Astrodome immediately after President Bush's speech about Hurricane Katrina. This was the speech he taped in New Orleans right after the storm.

Shame on him, then, and shame on ABC for airing it (unless it was live, and then they should have had a word with him afterwards!).

I mainly watch CNN, and feel that they are pretty fair, for instance during Katrina they were reporting on failures at ALL levels, local, state, and federal.

Back to the main topic, I don't like Bush, but I don't blame him for EVERYTHING that's gone wrong the last 5 years. Republicans in Congress have some responsibility, and so do the Dems. Even if they can't stop it, they can make a stink about it, and they haven't, much.

Is Bush the worst President? Too early to say. I don't think history will be kind to him, but there is just no way to know where he'll rank for decades. They're just beging to rate even Regan's Presidency with accuracy, and he left office in '88.

 

[DawnCt1]

History will not be kind to this President....

while I agree it's a bit early to tag him with "worst ever" ....he has til 2009 to slide further down to the distinction....or save some positive legacy....

from what I've seen so far.....it's not looking good....

The same was said about Ronald Reagan and I consider him one of the best presidents of this century.

 

[tubaman]

Now, where is that thread that talked about the fact that this president has taken more vacation time than any of the presidents that preceeded him?

Judging from your signature you've taken a lot of vacation time yourself.

 

[eclectics]

So now a lack of personal responsibility is the President's fault?

I'm sure the poster meant the inability of the bankruptee to keep up with the increased cost of living such as healthcare costs, oil, housing, food etc. Argueably these are things the President's policies could have an impact on. I don't believe the poster is blaming the President directly.

 

[boomhauer]

Judging from your signature you've taken a lot of vacation time yourself.

I'm not the President of the United States.

 

[DawnCt1]

True. But the federal government is responsible for mandates (NCLB) and then leaving it up to the locals to figure out how to fund those mandates.

You mean NCLB written by Teddy Kennedy? Would you like schools NOT to be held accountable?

 

[dcentity2000]

I thought you were eating? Some of us are a little touchy. I for one respect the President and the hard job he has had to do. For what this sitting President has gone through I give him alot of credit.

Ate the quiche and yes, it did have onion in it

The closest I can give you to that is sympathy - I don't think he's a bad man, just someone who's made a lot of very deadly mistakes.

What's worse? The media snapping at his feet or knowing that the vast majority of the civilised world disagrees with him fundamentally? Or living with having started not one but two wars, in which women and children perished?

I do feel sorry for the man. He's not where he should be.



Rich::

 

[tubaman]

I'm not the President of the United States.

Sorry couldn't help myself.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

Oh come on.

If you're denying that all time high cases of bankruptcy isn't a sign of the poor economic times, you're not being realistic or very honest.

I'm not saying it's all the president's fault. But to deny a connection is naive.

I would deny a connection. Why else did the loan industry lobby Congress to revamp the bankruptcy laws? There was rampant abuse of the old bankruptcy system, not because of poor economic times, but because too many lawyers encouraged using bankruptcy as a way to escape debt. It encouraged people to run up huge amounts of debt and then get it wiped away or greatly reduced by a court because they "couldn't pay." That is a real, honest evaluation of what happened. To deny that connection is to deny the obvious.

President Bush has had his share of mistakes and missteps and he'll probably have more in the future. (It's called being human.) But tagging him with the responsibility for an increase in bankruptcy filings is fallacious.

 

[Chicago526]

Am I the only one who thinks that New Orleans Mayor really messed up?

He messed up, so did the Gov, so did FEMA, and Bush, I feel, messed up too. Although the president cannot just go in with Federal troops and take over (states rights, afterall) he DOES have the ability to start knocking heads together and he certainly has the right to make sure FEMA is on the ball. All levels of government failed during Katrina.

 

[dcentity2000]

All levels of government failed during Katrina.

That's exactly what it looks like to me.



Rich::

 

[boomhauer]

President Bush has had his share of mistakes and missteps and he'll probably have more in the future. (It's called being human.) But tagging him with the responsibility for an increase in bankruptcy filings is fallacious.

I'm not tagging him directly. I'm simply pointing out, there is an undeniable connection.

If people could afford their other financial responsibilities better (some of which the President's policies DO affect), chances are good, there wouldn't be so many bankruptcies.

 

[MrsNick]

While I can't fault the President for what occurred prior to his first term, here are two things that are stuck in my craw (there are more, but I'll keep it short).

1) The report that was given to him one month before 9/11 titled "Al Qaeda Determined to strike within the U.S." He received that one on vacation at his ranch and pretty much ignored it.

2) The report just released by the 9/11 Commission (and co-headed by Tom Kean, another Republican) basically saying what a lousy job he and the federal government have done in implementing the recommendations made by the 9/11 Commission to make our country secure. They gave him more F's than A's. GWB wants to pay lip service to making our country secure and will execute a war on totally false reasons; he will spend billions on that war, but not actually provide the resources to implement measures that lots of people have agreed would make us safer. That is hypocrisy.

 

[DisneyDotty]

You mean NCLB written by Teddy Kennedy? Would you like schools NOT to be held accountable?

Written by Kennedy and fully endorsed by Bush.
Of course schools need to be held accountable, although how NCLB will accomplish that remains to be seen. But that's another thread.
I'm just saying that it's frustrating for schools to have NCLB mandated without the funding to back it up. And funding a federal mandate should be the responsibility of our federal government.