Bush won't rule out nuclear stike on Iran...

[frndshpcptn]

If we're so big on them, why not give them part of our country? Long Island would work.

We just love the Israelis, just as long as they're living 5000 miles away and living on someone else's back.
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Why Long Island?

 

[lw49033]

You are vastly overstating and oversimplifying what occurred.

It would be an oversimplification if I were Benny Morris or if I were writing a doctoral dissertation. For a debate board, it is an accurate summary. The Jews of 1948 were the terrorists and the aggressors and the ethnic cleansers, as everyone from Erich Fromm to Gandhi recognized at the time. The funny thing is that more Israelis seem to understand this than Americans.

 

[lw49033]

Why Long Island?

Why Palestine?

 

[sodaseller]

The Jews were more powerful, or at least better organized. The "terrorists" within your description, were all over. Plenty of atrocities against Jews as well. But nothing from that era approaches the death worship we see in too much of Palestinian society today.

As noted, there is no nation with an unblemished history - we can go back as far the Pequots here at Mystic. But there is no viable Palestinian plurality today that wants a workable peace, and a not insignificant plurality that will not be satisfied until it is Judenrein from the river to the sea. And no amount of Israeli conciliation will change that unfortunate reality, at least in the short term. Hence, the wall

 

[lw49033]

That not all the Arabs played by Marquis of Queensbury rules is certainly true. However, they still held the uncontestable moral high ground in that they were a majority of 70% being parceled out 45% of their own country (as of the partition proposal). That would irritate most people, don't you think?

 

[sodaseller]

That moral high ground is at most an anthill. And let's not leave out the fact that the Arabs rejected the partition the Jews accepted (which would have caused mutual displacements) and the Arabs (to overgeneralize a people) elected to make war.

Lincoln's Second Inaguaral captures much of the ethical concepts

 

[pdchris]

Yes, it appeared that way, to the public. But that's not the way it was. A deal was available short of using nukes. We didn't care, because that's how Americans always are in foreign relations: arrogant, cruel and hypocritical.

No, you're wrong. I suggest you consult bio's of Marshall or Truman (McCulloch's is an excellent one) for the reasons that led to the dropping of the bomb. Oh, yes. We were very arrogant when we landed on the shores of Normandy to help liberate France, Belgium and other countries that were conquered by the Nazis. We were arrogant and cruel to come to the aid of the S Koreans in the 50's. And let's not even discuss how cruel our military is when they send in troops, helicopters and medical supplies, sometimes at risks to themselves, when a country is hit by a natural disaster such as earthquake.
BTW, though, I agree 100% with your quote of part of Eisenhower's farewell speech.

 

[lw49033]

They elected to make war because they were being cheated. To repeat, the 70% Arab majority was to be given 45% of the territory; (the Jews were 30% but only actually owned 8% of the land outright.) Who would've accepted a deal like that? If you think Americans would've taken a deal like that there aren't enough holes in your air bubble.

 

[LuvDuke]

Clearly a gross misrepresentation. You are almost implying that the Emperor was "willing to surrender" but not unconditionally surrender. Neither of course was true. School children were prepared to defend Japan with sticks right up until the first bomb was dropped. If the war continued conventionally, more than a million Allied Forces would have been killed.

Oh my God ............. sit down, you've been warned.

I agree with Dawn with one exception. It didn't take one bomb to bring Japan to surrender. It took the second bomb and the the threat of a 3rd, which Truman didn't have, to convince the Japanese to unconditionally surrender.

Harry Truman did what any good CIC does which is put the lives of his troops first. The casaulty count for the invasion of Japan would've gone into the millions. Just like Americans defending the US, the Japanese would've defended Japan until the last person was standing. God only knows how many lives Harry Truman saved by his decision and my DH is one of them. He was a Navy pilot and his group was headed to Japan. Thank God for people like Harry Truman.

Carry on.

 

[frndshpcptn]

"Why Palestine?"

Perhaps I need to better explain my question, because I feel like you are not understanding what I am asking.

If you suggest giving them part of the U.S, why Long Island in particular vs. any other area in the country?

 

[sodaseller]

Yea, that wonderful Negev. Percentages are fun

 

[LuvDuke]

People who think the POTUS and the USA can do no wrong should get their heads out of the sand.

I would've suggested getting their aforementioned heads out of a different place (ahem), but then I'd be accused of being rude.

 

[punkin]

I am supporter of Israel, and think mature people can truthfully discuss issue. I don't think our anti-Semite on thid thread is one of them.

I'm sorry. I didn't realize. Now I know better than to try reasoning with him/her. Blind hatred backed up by transparent propaganda is so ugly.

 

[sodaseller]

I'm sorry. I didn't realize. Now I know better than to try reasoning with him/her. Blind hatred backed up by transparent propaganda is so ugly.

I'm learning that too

 

[lw49033]

"Why Palestine?"

Perhaps I need to better explain my question, because I feel like you are not understanding what I am asking.

If you suggest giving them part of the U.S, why Long Island in particular vs. any other area in the country?

It is about the right size, and has a high Jewish population. Do you have a better idea?

 

[LuvDuke]

And those that believe doing the RIGHT thing is always the most popular thing should get their heads out of the sand. God Bless America!

Are you implying the invasion of Iraq was the unpopular thing to do? Over 70% of the American public favored going to war in Iraq. Time has proven it was the wrong thing to do, but it was popular.

Btw, bringing this back to the OP, Bush is out of ammo. He has no credibility, he's busted the military, and he's insulted every ally this country ever had. Even Poodle Blair isn't going to go along with this one.

Iran made overtures to the US in 2003 for talks. According to Larry Wilkerson, former chief-of-staff to Colin Powell and 31 year veteran at the Defense Department, the moron-in-chief with the help of his neo-con cabal, blew the Iranians off for ideological reasons.

http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=32672

Yeah, yeah, yeah .................. just another disgruntled employee, who btw, continues the same story told by Paul O'Neill, Richard Clarke, Christine Todd Whitman, and Colin Powell. They must all be lying.

As far as Pakistan, they give new meaning to the phrase "with friends like that, who needs enemies". Most of the country is still under tribal rule, Mussarref is hanging on by a thread, and unlike Iraq and Iran, Al-Qaeda is damned popular on the Pakistani street. And, they have nuclear weapons now.

 

[DawnCt1]

It is about the right size, and has a high Jewish population. Do you have a better idea?

You sound somewhat anti Semitic or is that my imagination?

 

[Teejay32]

Iran made overtures to the US in 2003 for talks. According to Larry Wilkerson, former chief-of-staff to Colin Powell and 31 year veteran at the Defense Department, the moron-in-chief with the help of his neo-con cabal, blew the Iranians off for ideological reasons.

the ideology being "no negotiations with Tehran." That looks sane. What was this Larry Wilkerson prepared to offer them?

 

[LuvDuke]

the ideology being "no negotiations with Tehran." That looks sane. What was this Larry Wilkerson prepared to offer them?

The ideology "we don't talk to a country who has the potential to go nuclear even though it may avert a crises while we're holding the bargaining chips" looks sane to you?

Ahhhh, life on planet Bush.

The "few, the proud, the 36%", now "35%" according to that bastion of wildeyed liberalism The Wall Street Journal.

 

[LuvDuke]

You sound somewhat anti Semitic or is that my imagination?

It isn't your imagination.