Bush was right!!!

[wdwdvcdad]

read something other than the new york times. watch something other than CNN, ABC, NBC, & CBS.

 

[ThreeCircles]

Originally posted by wdwdvcdad
read something other than the new york times. watch something other than CNN, ABC, NBC, & CBS.

Hmmm... how odd. I don't think I've ever read the New York Times in my life. But anyway...

Perhaps you were suggesting The Faux News Network?

If I did want to expose myself to the RNC talking points I would read it directly from their web site.


So, that proof?

 

[Jimbo]

Originally posted by we3luvdisney
Jimbo,

Please tell us about the FT. Some may not be interested, but I am.

The Financial Times began publication in London in 1888. It has the largest editorial staff of any international newspaper, with 300+ journalists in more than 50 cities worldwide.

So much for the "mock first, ask questions later" tactic!

 

[we3luvdisney]

Originally posted by ThreeCircles
Seems to me that Wvrevy presented news articles on the subject.

You, on the other hand, only presented opinion.

Wowzers! Isn't that odd!

Okay, let me go through this again, please follow along. wvrevy stated the following:

Originally posted by ThreeCircles
... save the Brits (who's intelligence was apparently worse than ours: remember the "yellow cake" fiasco ?)

Douglas Dubh posted the following response:

Originally posted by Douglas Dubh
Actually, that "yellow cake" scenario has been verified. Iraqi and Nigerian officials did meet; Iraqi agents did try to buy yellow cake in Africa.

wvrevy posting the following response to Douglas Dubh's reply:

Originally posted by wvrevy
Really ? Care to back that up with a national news story stating this?

wvrevy followed with another post asking:

Originally posted by wvrevy
Again, care (ANYONE) to prove the statement that the yellow-cake story has been verified ? Put up or shut up

After this post I found an article from the Financial Times, dated June 28, 2004, which stated, "Human intelligence gathered in Italy and Africa more than three years before the Iraq war had shown Niger officials referring to possible illicit uranium deals with at least five countries, including Iraq.

Now if you've been following closely you'll see that the information was provided to wvrevy. However, he didn't post any news articles on the subject. His only reply was:

Originally posted by wvrevy
Oh, c'mon...The Financial Times is the best you can do ? After the huge blow-up surrounding this story, you don't think it would have been covered by every major news outlet in the country?

Again...you're awfully good at conjecture, but not quite so long on facts, We3.

Remember the date that the Financial Times posted the story? Just in case you weren't following it was June 28, 2004, which was almost a month before the British inquiry was released. I followed up with three other news sources (The Washington Times, The Florida Times-Union and The New York Times), but wvrevy stated:

Originally posted by wvrevy
What part of simple english are you having a hard time understanding, We3 ? All of these other articles are simply referencing the initial article from the Financial Times...THERE IS NOTHING NEW THERE, not is there any cooberation of that story. You can feel free to keep posting them, but it's just proving my point...Not a single major news agency has reported anything about this story being true.

Based upon the all the information provided there was an Iraq/Niger link. wvrevy was wrong.

If you're interested in reading the thread go to the link I've posted. It starts on page 9.

Iraq/Niger Yellow Cake

 

[we3luvdisney]

Originally posted by Jimbo
The Financial Times began publication in London in 1888. It has the largest editorial staff of any international newspaper, with 300+ journalists in more than 50 cities worldwide.

So much for the "mock first, ask questions later" tactic!

Thanks! I guess wvrevy is wrong again!

Ooops, my mistake. wvrevy did ask for a "national news story" and the Financial Times is an international news organization.

wvrevy, please accept my apology.

 

[lucysdad]

Originally posted by wdwdvcdad
yes, and they are.

As for the names of the faleen soldiers. Of course it is sad. But, they signed up knowing that in order to preserve our way of life, war & death were a real possibility. While I thank them & honor them for fighting this just & noble fight, they understood the risks.

Where is the list of all of the innocent americans & israeles killed by terrorists (which Iraq & many other middle eastern nations funded). I am still amazed at how blind people really are.

Well, then, let's talk about blindness. The U.S. has funded and provided with arms the very terrorists we are now fighting. Oh, and BTW, where is the list of all the innocent Iraqi civilians killed by this totally unnecessary war?

Now, let me guess the response to my statement. Let's see, I'll be accused of not supporting our troops and equating the U.S. with terrorists. I'll field those accusations now so I won't have to later:

I totally support our troops, totally admire everyone of them with the courage to be there. Their quality of character is not in question. I hope they all come home safe.

Don't have any links bookmarked at this time, but I think it's pretty common knowledge that the U.S. supported bin Laden back in the day, and others who are now considered terrorists as well. Sorry, those are the facts.

How do we fix it? To quote the immortal Brian Wilson, "God Only Knows."

 

[Tiziminchac]

Originally posted by ThreeCircles
They signed up to be sent to foreign lands to fight needless wars? Sounds like lack of responsibility of the administration that sent him and of those that support that administration.

To preserve our way of life? Iraq threatened our way of life? Hmmm... Have any proof for that one?

I'm not an "expert" like some of the posters here on the CB, but, I could have sworn that I heard a few weeks back that Russian Pres. Putin told the press that they had intel concerning Iraq and plans of terror attacks against the U.S. And this info. was given to the Bush administration shortly before we went to war with Iraq. I would think that that is a threat to our way of life. Plus wasn't it Saddam who was paying the families of suicide bombers in Isreal? Ok, so Isreal isn't the U.S.A., so I guess that doesn't count. The real enemy is not the present administartion but the muslim fanatics in the world who have been raised in a culture of hate.

 

[kbeverina]

Haven't seen the thread you posted before, but I've been posting links for a year now to back up my Joe-Wilson-is-a-big-fat-liar conspiracy theory.

Finally saw it all start imploding on him last month--honestly never thought it would.

I'll go check out the other thread!

 

[wdwdvcdad]

Originally posted by lucysdad
Well, then, let's talk about blindness. The U.S. has funded and provided with arms the very terrorists we are now fighting. Oh, and BTW, where is the list of all the innocent Iraqi civilians killed by this totally unnecessary war?

Now, let me guess the response to my statement. Let's see, I'll be accused of not supporting our troops and equating the U.S. with terrorists. I'll field those accusations now so I won't have to later:

I totally support our troops, totally admire everyone of them with the courage to be there. Their quality of character is not in question. I hope they all come home safe.

Don't have any links bookmarked at this time, but I think it's pretty common knowledge that the U.S. supported bin Laden back in the day, and others who are now considered terrorists as well. Sorry, those are the facts.

How do we fix it? To quote the immortal Brian Wilson, "God Only Knows."

I cannot support how we armed the terrorists. It is unsupportable. but, I've got to deal in the here & now. This is a very neccessary war. We must eliminate those who would first eliminate us. we are doing so. I accused you of nothing...a guilty conscience needs no accuser.

 

[wdwdvcdad]

Originally posted by we3luvdisney

wvrevy was wrong.

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and the sky is up. some things never change.

 

[ThreeCircles]

Originally posted by lucysdad
Now, let me guess the response to my statement. Let's see, I'll be accused of not supporting our troops and equating the U.S. with terrorists. I'll field those accusations now so I won't have to later:

Originally posted by wdwdvcdad
I accused you of nothing...a guilty conscience needs no accuser.

Looks like you hit the nail on the head, Lucysdad! But, we have to remember that this whole administration is built on nothing but the premises of "you're either with us or against us" and "strike first, sort out questions later."

 

[kbeverina]

Originally posted by lucysdad
Oh, and BTW, where is the list of all the innocent Iraqi civilians killed by this totally unnecessary war?

!!!!

If you cared one iota for innocent Iraqis, I can't believe you'd say such a thing.

Don't have any links bookmarked at this time, but I think it's pretty common knowledge that the U.S. supported bin Laden back in the day, and others who are now considered terrorists as well. Sorry, those are the facts.

Yes, I'd like to see those links. Because bin Laden wasn't even in Afghanistan when we were supporting the Afghan rebels. What support are you referring to?

 

[ThreeCircles]

Originally posted by kbeverina
!!!!

If you cared one iota for innocent Iraqis, I can't believe you'd say such a thing.

Why? Because it we pretend we haven't killed thousands of innocent Iraqis it isn't true?

I think this point should be continually brought up.

 

[wdwdvcdad]

I'll start a list:

sept. 11, 2001: Dan Afflito, my friend and fraternity brother. Killed in WTC by middle eastern, islamic fundamentalist terrorists. Married, father of one at the time of his death. 2 days later, his wife found out she was pregnant with their second child.

The war was neccessary.

 

[lucysdad]

Originally posted by ThreeCircles
Why? Because it we pretend we haven't killed thousands of innocent Iraqis it isn't true?

I think this point should be continually brought up.

ThreeCircles you beat me to the punch. Thank you for sharing an intelligent viewpoint.

 

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by ThreeCircles
They signed up to be sent to foreign lands to fight needless wars?

Why don't you ask the soldiers if he/she feels that way? Some might but from what I've read/heard (and not on CNN, ABC,NBC, CBS NPR, NYT, LAT) most feel they're doing a necessary job , a good job and are proud of what they've accomplished.

Your opinion is just that. Yours.

 

[lucysdad]

Originally posted by wdwdvcdad
I'll start a list:

sept. 11, 2001: Dan Afflito, my friend and fraternity brother. Killed in WTC by middle eastern, islamic fundamentalist terrorists. Married, father of one at the time of his death. 2 days later, his wife found out she was pregnant with their second child.

The war was neccessary.

Very sad, as were all the casualties of 9/11. Why do you NeoCons always suggest that those of us who oppose the war weren't deeply affected by this tragedy? We don't think the war in Iraq was justified due to lack of evidence (remember, this is an American concept: Innocent until proven Guilty). This doesn't make us unpatriotic or without feeling. Why didn't we invade Saudi Arabia? Most of the suicide pilots and crew were Saudis.

 

[wdwdvcdad]

Anyone have the list of innocent Iraquis murdered & raped by Saddam's regime? (It'll be exponentially more than the number who were tragically killed in an attempt to fight for their freedom)

 

[ThreeCircles]

Originally posted by wdwdvcdad
I'll start a list:

sept. 11, 2001: Dan Afflito, my friend and fraternity brother. Killed in WTC by middle eastern, islamic fundamentalist terrorists. Married, father of one at the time of his death. 2 days later, his wife found out she was pregnant with their second child.

The war was neccessary.

<center>***NEWS FLASH***</center>

Iraq has no ties to September 11th! Read the reports!

Unless... Wdwdvcdad wouldn't be Cheney's nic, now would it???

 

[lucysdad]

Originally posted by wdwdvcdad
Anyone have the list of innocent Iraquis murdered & raped by Saddam's regime? (It'll be exponentially more than the number who were tragically killed in an attempt to fight for their freedom)

So, when it's done in the name of "Shock and Awe" it's just a tragic byproduct of the fact that they were living in the wrong country at the wrong time?