Bush Supporters

[totalia]

Originally posted by charlie,nj
Interesting....

Canadian MP calls U.S. 'idiots'

Thursday, August 26, 2004 Posted: 11:32 AM EDT (1532 GMT)


OTTAWA, Canada (Reuters) -- Canadian Member of Parliament Carolyn Parrish had said she hated "damned Americans" and called them *******s in the run-up to the Iraq war.

She found a new moniker, idiots, on Wednesday in discussing the planned U.S. missile defense system.

"We are not joining the coalition of the idiots. We are joining the coalition of the wise," the Liberal legislator told a small group of demonstrators.

Parrish, who had to apologize for her "*******s" remarks last year, at first denied using the word idiots, and when reporters pointed out they had her remarks on tape, she said: "I don't mean Americans are idiots."

Parrish then begged reporters not to use the remarks: "Please guys don't put that on tape," she said. "I already got into trouble once.... Really, please, I've had enough trouble."

Four hours later, however, she hardened her line.

"The last one was a really stupid thing to say," she told Reuters. "*******s is an inappropriate word. Idiots is a term people use in everyday conversation," she told Reuters.

"They tortured people in Iraq, they (the Iraqis) have no weapons of mass destruction. Could somebody explain to me whether you think they're idiots or geniuses?"

The top spokeswoman for former Prime Minister Jean Chretien, Francoise Ducros, had to resign in 2002 for calling President George W. Bush a moron.

Chretien's successor, Prime Minister Paul Martin, has pledged to put relations with Canada's largest trading partner on a warmer footing.

Martin said after Parrish's latest remarks that the debate about missile defense, intended to guard against attacks from what the United States calls rogue states, was "very, very important."

"There is no room in this debate for that kind of language," he told reporters, waving his hand dismissively. "You're going to get very strongly held views but let me tell you those strongly held views have got to be expressed in language that is acceptable."

But Parrish refused to back down.

"That's Mr. Martin's opinion," she told Reuters. "No, I'm not going to apologize.

Did I ever once say ours were any better? In fact, I told you in the last post I made that ours are stupid too (though at least we don't go around conquering other nations with lies about WMD's. Ours may be idiots but we are imperialists).

Originally posted by Microcell
It must be hard to be considered the red haired stepchild of the continent. If you don't like who we choose to be our president then urge your government to train armies so we don't have to take care of you anymore.

When do you take care of us? The answer is NEVER. We are a diplomatic nation and the only nation in the world who's army has won the nobel peace prize. Our nation doesn't get spit on when we walk past or get charged out the butt for things we buy in a foreign country just because of the country we come from.

People aren't bombing US and don't for one second believe that its just because your our neighbour. The US was attacked, not Canada. Must be a reason you think?

Therefore, your arguments hold no water. WE are part of the world and understand that we are. We do not act unilaterally and believe that the whole world is part of itself. And we don't expect others to clean up our own messes like Bush does.

Originally posted by shortbun
I still assert that your claim to be an "undecided" voter was
disingenuous. And, I don't care how you refer to "Kerry" nor
what you think of my opinions since I don't feel yours are
or were totally honest at times. You can count on me saying
exactly what I feel and mean all the time. For you to have
claimed to have been undecided and all of a sudden become
this rabid George Bush supporter is unbelievable but ......well,
it's what you say. Blind respect imho is a dark road toward
trouble. Those who earn my respect, get it. Titles do not
a respectable person make. Why would anyone use that as
criteria for respect in an elected office? I don't blindly follow
anyone, any team, any man or woman. Ya gotta earn me-you
haven't and neither has the current President.

Exactly. Thank you.

Originally posted by shortbun
Are you really this clueless? The POTUS impacts the whole
world with his actions. You and George Bush need to undestand how the world works. His ignorance is inexcusable, yours is
ok since you are simply a poster on the DIS but geez - he's
the "leader of the free world", just ask him!!!!!
Name one thing he does that does NOT impact other countries
directly other than personal activities like eat, sleep and elimination. The worst thing about this is that he thinks he's
playing this huge game of RISK and none of the colateral damage
matters because it doesn't directly change his live or the lives
of his "base."

Bravo. Thank you, exactly.

 

[TnKrBeLlA012]

Originally posted by totalia
Did I ever once say ours were any better? In fact, I told you in the last post I made that ours are stupid too (though at least we don't go around conquering other nations with lies about WMD's. Ours may be idiots but we are imperialists).



When do you take care of us? The answer is NEVER. We are a diplomatic nation and the only nation in the world who's army has won the nobel peace prize. Our nation doesn't get spit on when we walk past or get charged out the butt for things we buy in a foreign country just because of the country we come from.

People aren't bombing US and don't for one second believe that its just because your our neighbour. The US was attacked, not Canada. Must be a reason you think?

Therefore, your arguments hold no water. WE are part of the world and understand that we are. We do not act unilaterally and believe that the whole world is part of itself. And we don't expect others to clean up our own messes like Bush does.



Exactly. Thank you.



Bravo. Thank you, exactly.

I think you better quit while your ahead. I hate to say but let it go now. The fact that your Canadian makes your arguments alot tougher. I don't think your going to sway any minds. I have no problems with Canadians. I live in Mi. We visit Windsor often. The one thing I wouldn't be doing is debating all the bad things about Canada on a Canadian website. I don't think I would be winning any battles. So I guess the same holds true for this board.

 

[bsears]

Originally posted by TnKrBeLlA012
I think you better quit while your ahead. I hate to say but let it go now. The fact that your Canadian makes your arguments alot tougher. I don't think your going to sway any minds. I have no problems with Canadians. I live in Mi. We visit Windsor often. The one thing I wouldn't be doing is debating all the bad things about Canada on a Canadian website. I don't think I would be winning any battles. So I guess the same holds true for this board.

How utterly charming ! You have no problem with Canadians, you just want to claim the right to tell them to hush if they disagree with you based on the fact that they are Canadian. Oh..and by the way...it is you're Canadian, not your Canadian.

 

[TnKrBeLlA012]

Originally posted by bsears
Oh..and by the way...it is you're Canadian, not your Canadian.

Oh... by the waY... do not correct or respond to me with a corrected version of what I have written. If when I am typing and I end up with errors, do not make it your responsibilty to correct my grammer. I will now continue to respond back with as many typing errors as I like. Like my daughter just said, "Tell her to get a life." Stick to the topic. " I'm just a nice person who dosen't want to argue and be mean to anyone.". Is that the next post you'll be on? By the way, I will make sure to watch YOUR spelling on any given post. Now I see why we have problems in this world. People like you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by totalia

the only nation in the world who's army has won the nobel peace prize.

Oh, Totalia. . . . . .

Your bluster is completely empty. While Canada has a fine military, the homeland of Canada is protected by the United States through NORAD.

My last post stands. . . . you keep fooling yourself.

Great posts, DisFan2. It's always nice to see the Canadians and Americans that understand the truth.

edited to add: If Canada wants to share the podium with Arafat . . .

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by bsears
How utterly charming ! You have no problem with Canadians, you just want to claim the right to tell them to hush if they disagree with you based on the fact that they are Canadian. Oh..and by the way...it is you're Canadian, not your Canadian.

You have three punctuation errors in your post.

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by totalia
the only nation in the world who's army has won the nobel peace prize.

While highly questionable (note the extremely peaceful yet unbelievably murderous Yasser Arafat), the Peace Prize is not somethat ought to bring pride to any military organization. If the United States military were to ever win a Peace Prize, I and most in this country, would have to question the quality of its commanders.

An excellent military organization can bring about the conditions through which others might win such a prize.
"Peace Prizes" ought not to be the realm of the military. While Canada's reputation as a supporter of peace-keeping efforts around the world is well-deserved, this ought not to promote sense a false sense of security in the efforts of the United Nations. It's absurd for any reasonable person-- especially a Canadian-- to criticize the United States military which, is itself, on a great peace-keeping mission at the moment . . . and for the foreseeable future. If the efforts of our superb military prevents an attack on Toronto or Montreal, I won't be holding my breath for thank yous flooding across our northern borders.

One of the fundamental flaws of absurd leftist pedagoguery is the complete removal of context from any political discussion involving the use of American power-- even in its own self-defense. We have no need, nor hopefully ever will we, to seek the permission of our Canadian friends through the auspices of the United Nations to defend our own country. I can't tell you how grateful all Americans were at the fantastic and selfless show of brotherhood and hospitality and friendship that the Canadian people showed to us 9-11 and the days following.

It is not we who have squandered the post-9-11 good feelings from our friends. It is you who have turned away from us as we exercise our right to self-defense. And guess what? Your opinion is of no matter whatsoever in the course of defeating our enemies. And that, perhaps, is what bothers you the most. Liberals hate to be ignored. The fact that we don't care what you think just drives you nuts! Think whatever you want and open your apartment windows and scream as loud as you wish. Your American friends are far too busy to be bothered with your leftist dogmatic prattle.

 

[bsears]

Originally posted by Kendra17
You have three punctuation errors in your post.

AnywayS?

 

[dmadman43]

Kerry has a plan...

Kerry Pushes Plan to Re-Import Canadian Bacon
(2004-10-16) -- Under a plan proposed by Democrat presidential contender John Forbes Kerry, Americans could save billions of dollars each year on the purchase of over-the-counter bacon.

"I have a plan to get every American hooked on Canadian bacon," said Mr. Kerry during a campaign stop in Jacksonville, Oregon. "All we need to do is get American farmers to export their hogs to Canada, where the government could impose price controls, then we re-import the processed Canadian bacon to the United States at prices lower than those available here on ordinary bacon."

Mr. Kerry's Bring Home the Canadian Bacon plan has ignited almost as much enthusiasm across the United States as his plan to re-import American prescription drugs from Canada.

"The reason these plans work," said Mr. Kerry, who is also a U.S. Senator, "is because they give us the best of both systems--capitalism and socialism. American companies do the risky work of developing these products, and then we allow Canada's government to control how much profit they make. The bottom line: when American companies make smaller profits, their workers will have less money. And that's why they'll need cheaper drugs and bacon."

President George Bush, asked to respond to the Kerry plan, said, "Canadian bacon--what's that? Do the pigs speak French? Next question."

http://www.scrappleface.com/MT/archives/001880.html

 

[totalia]

Originally posted by Kendra17


Oh, Totalia. . . . . .

Your bluster is completely empty. While Canada has a fine military, the homeland of Canada is protected by the United States through NORAD.

My last post stands. . . . you keep fooling yourself.

Great posts, DisFan2. It's always nice to see the Canadians and Americans that understand the truth.

edited to add: If Canada wants to share the podium with Arafat . . .

What are you five? The US wouldn't have joined the treaty if that was the only thing that went with it.

Originally posted by Kendra17
Originally posted by totalia
the only nation in the world who's army has won the nobel peace prize.

While highly questionable (note the extremely peaceful yet unbelievably murderous Yasser Arafat), the Peace Prize is not somethat ought to bring pride to any military organization. If the United States military were to ever win a Peace Prize, I and most in this country, would have to question the quality of its commanders.

An excellent military organization can bring about the conditions through which others might win such a prize.
"Peace Prizes" ought not to be the realm of the military. While Canada's reputation as a supporter of peace-keeping efforts around the world is well-deserved, this ought not to promote sense a false sense of security in the efforts of the United Nations. It's absurd for any reasonable person-- especially a Canadian-- to criticize the United States military which, is itself, on a great peace-keeping mission at the moment . . . and for the foreseeable future. If the efforts of our superb military prevents an attack on Toronto or Montreal, I won't be holding my breath for thank yous flooding across our northern borders.

One of the fundamental flaws of absurd leftist pedagoguery is the complete removal of context from any political discussion involving the use of American power-- even in its own self-defense. We have no need, nor hopefully ever will we, to seek the permission of our Canadian friends through the auspices of the United Nations to defend our own country. I can't tell you how grateful all Americans were at the fantastic and selfless show of brotherhood and hospitality and friendship that the Canadian people showed to us 9-11 and the days following.

It is not we who have squandered the post-9-11 good feelings from our friends. It is you who have turned away from us as we exercise our right to self-defense. And guess what? Your opinion is of no matter whatsoever in the course of defeating our enemies. And that, perhaps, is what bothers you the most. Liberals hate to be ignored. The fact that we don't care what you think just drives you nuts! Think whatever you want and open your apartment windows and scream as loud as you wish. Your American friends are far too busy to be bothered with your leftist dogmatic prattle.

You call this peace? If so, your wearing blinders. This WAR, not peace.

You actually think that attacking nations and destroying their gvt's is peace? Justifying it by saying that you were attacked is NOT the same. When did iraq attack you?

And let me ask you this, if you are so grateful for everything we did for you, why are we now being called the enemy when we don't approve of conquering nations that have done NOTHING TO YOU?

And if you care so little about what I think then why are you on this thread bothering to reply to it? If you don't care, then why aren't you ignoring it?

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by totalia
What are you five? The US wouldn't have joined the treaty if that was the only thing that went with it.

You call this peace? If so, your wearing blinders. This WAR, not peace.

You actually think that attacking nations and destroying their gvt's is peace? Justifying it by saying that you were attacked is NOT the same. When did iraq attack you?

And let me ask you this, if you are so grateful for everything we did for you, why are we now being called the enemy when we don't approve of conquering nations that have done NOTHING TO YOU?

And if you care so little about what I think then why are you on this thread bothering to reply to it? If you don't care, then why aren't you ignoring it?

Totalia, I've been to several cities in Canada and, even though I posted back to you, I am actually ignoring you anyways. My post should not be misconstrued as any acknowledgement on my part of any validity-- intellectual or political on your part. Please don't confuse my post with my acknowledging your argument because you haven't really got one.

I've never called war as peace. Or peace as war. You live in an Orwellian world, not I. We are at war with our enemies who want to kill us. Our goal is to defeat them before they have the opportunity to kill us. If you don't understand this concept, I'm not sure you will gain anything at all from a debate.

Let's get down to brass tacks, though. You're upset with the United States because you're a Canadian. We love Canada but you hate us. The key cultural thread in your society is "how do I define myself as a Canadian in relationship to the United States?" This is your issue, not ours. Canada has a perfectly fine culture and society on its own and is not dependent in any way for validation by the United States.

We were overwhelmed by the hospitality and friendliness by our Canadian neighbors after 9-11, and quickly horrified by the turnabout of our Canadian neighbors when we took action to punish those who had supported our enemies and overthrew those who would destroy us. If a nation wanted to destroy Canada, and you attacked them, guess what country would be the first to support you? We would. You do not know who your friends are (either do some of the Americans!), you do not understand the concept of supporting a friend in a crisis. Why don't you go have a Labatt's and relax?

Most importantly, why isn't Montreal the capital?

 

[The DIS Moderator Team]

Please keep in mind that all posts should be respectful of the other posters.

Thank you

 

[oracle]

Originally posted by The DIS Moderator Team
Please keep in mind that all posts should be respectful of the other posters.

Thank you

I don't appreciate my posts being deleted, especially when they didn't go beyond the guidelines. It seems that in your haste to police this thread, you deleted things that were undeserving. There is a certain amount of effort that goes into writing those posts, and I don't appreciate it being unfairly deleted. An explanation of this would be appropriate.

 

[totalia]

Mod, the last post made to me is clearly meant to be inflammatory. How about erasing that one?

For that matter, considering how I've been treated this whole thread, how about saying something about that?

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by totalia
Mod, the last post made to me is clearly meant to be inflammatory. How about erasing that one?

For that matter, considering how I've been treated this whole thread, how about saying something about that?

Originally posted by totalia

What are you five?

 

[Nancy]

never mind.

 

[Frank Babaganoush]

With all due respect.

YOU MIGHT BE A DEMOCRAT IF...




* You feel Fidelity means not cheating on your mistress.

* You think that pornography corrupts women, but find nothing wrong with a 50 year old president seducing a 21 year old intern.

* You cry every May 4th over the four people killed at Kent State, but have never been to the Vietnam Memorial.

* Along the same lines, "Four Dead in OHIO" by Neil Young gives you goosebumps, but "19" by Paul Hardcastle means nothing to you.

* You say shows like "Leave It to Beaver" are out of touch with America today, while you flip to your soap opera.

* You know of the stockpile of biological weapons in Iraq, but think that the US is wrong for not signing the land mines treaty.

* You want to know why we don't offer schooling in prisons (hey, isn't that what public schools are for).

* You think those stupid ribbons actually accomplish something.

* You tout the NAACP, but criticize anyone referring to a black man as a "colored person."

* You think a mother has a right to kill an innocent 5 month fetus because her pregnancy would interfere with her career, but feel we shouldn't put to death the man who raped and murdered 14 women.

* You feel that banning smoking in public indoor places limits your constitutional rights.

* You feel that being convicted of treason is an infringement on your first amendment rights.

* You honestly feel that alcoholics deserve social security disability benefits.

* You outwardly said "I would have voted for Elizabeth Dole" knowing darn well you wouldn't have because she is a Republican.

* You think it is ok for a President to commit perjury on his sex life, but criticize Dan Quayle for spelling potato/potatoe wrong.

* You stood on a soapbox demanding that Anita Hill be heard, but want Paula Jones' accusations to be swept under the rug.

* You think the guy who drops out of High School and builds your jeep deserves more money than the doctor who went to college for 10 years and saves your kids life.

* You sang along to "Give Peace a Chance" during the Gulf War.

* You've filed for unemployment within two weeks of getting out of high school.

* You went to Woodstock II and felt that it was a significant historical event, changing the way our country thinks.

* You own something that says, "Dukakis for President," and still display it.

* You've tried to argue in favor of anything based on, "Well, they're gonna do it anyway so..."

* You've ever said, "We really should call the ACLU about this."

* You believe that a few hundred loggers can find another career, but the defenseless spotted owl must live in its preferred tree.

* You ever based an argument on the phrase, "But they can afford a tax hike because..."

* You've ever argued that with just one more year of welfare that person will turn it around and get off drugs.

* You think Lennon was a brilliant social commentator.

* You keep count of how many people you know in each racial or ethnic category.

* You believe our government must do it because everyone in Europe does.

* After looking at your pay stub you can still say, "America is undertaxed."

 

[poohandwendy]

That's because, considering the way I've been treated in this thread so far, I'm not going to bother defending it. You wouldn't believe me no matter what I posted and if I gave a location where I saw or or heard it, you'd think that its a lie.

Kind of pointless to bother don't you think since you wouldn't believe it either way?

And why are you asking about my fiance? No, he's 30 (I'm 28). And for that matter, why do you care?

Well, I asked how old your fiance is because you said :

''It scares the daylights out of me that my fiance might be forced into military service to find a war in a country that he and I don't agree with. I'm terrified that he may end up dying for this crazy man.''

Yet we have never, even when we had a draft in effect, took men that were 30 years old into involuntary military service. Your fiance, as an American citizen (especially as a young male), should know that. Have you never discussed this issue with him?

As far as your not addressing the points I mentioned, I never treated you with disrespect, I asked you to defend your position. FWIW, I would believe credible sources, if you can provide them.

For example if, as you have said, President Bush said that "Canada is a third world country because we didn't help with the war in Iraq", it should be easy to find credible sources reporting it on the net because it is a highly inflammatory statement that would be deemed newsworthy.

I feel that if you are going to make serious accusations against our president and ask our citizens to vote him out, you should at least take the time to back up the claims that you post as reasons to vote against him. I don't that is too much to ask, I consider voting for a future president as a very important matter worthy of serious consideration based on credible information, not innuendo or rumor.

 

[Yzma and Kronk]

Originally posted by totalia

For that matter, considering how I've been treated this whole thread, how about saying something about that?

I do think a little diplomacy would be in order..........from the beginning and throughout this thread

 

[brerrabbit]

America is the greatest place in the world to live.

We are guarenteed fredoms by our constitution such as free speech, freedom of religion, and the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

There in lies the greatest challenge of being an American.

I cringe and feel sick to my stomach when I see an individual burning the American flag, but being an American I have to accept that it is that individuals right to free speech.

I dislike certain elected officials and feel they represent the exact oppisite of my Christian beliefs and values but as an American accept their right to feel, think and live that way.

I understand the the extreme radical Muslim terrorists in the world are responsible for untold deaths and suffering in the world but freely aknowledge my neighbors right to practice his Muslim faith.

I worry about the future and what it holds for my children and their children with all the terrible things going on in the world today but hold stedfast in my Christian faith and the faith of the country I live in and believe in that our form of government with its checks and balances that no one man (read President) can single handedly dismantle what has taken over two hundred years to build.

I support George Bush and will vote for him on November second. Do I agree with every thing he says or does? No!
Do I hate and disagree with everything John Kerry says or stands for? No! Do I think the country I love and am willing to fight for in any way necessary will start a downward spiral on November third if John Kerry is elected President? No!!!!!

So what does all this mean to me? Totalia, welcome to America, I for one welcome you with open arms. I lived in Canada in the early 90's and can honestly say I never felt more welcomed and comfortable anywhere I have lived. The Canadians I knew, and worked with and socialized with wanted the same things all people want. Freedom, security, health, happiness and prosperity. As you become a citizen realize it is not only your right to participate in our Democratic process but as a citizen it is your obligation to do so. I only ask as a citizen of this great country and as the gentleman my parents worked very hard to raise, and to me very importantly as the Texan I am that you try not to use such devise terms in your debates. The terms idiot, stupid, etc only serve to widen the gaps we already have between the various political factions in our country as well as on these boards.

Some will flame my beliefs as naive and to idealistic. So be it