Bush Supporters Here: Why the Left Hates Bush

[peachgirl]

Proof??

I've already done that....look at the article posted on this thread.

And just who are those people?

Same answer, read back on this thread.

I agree with him about the activist Left mostly because of pictures like this.

And this isn't an isolated incident. There are many that feel the same way and cheer these people on.

Hve you two bothered to look at the picture posted in between each of your posts?

 

[Viking]

Originally posted by Elwood Blues
Umm.. I must have missed something. I don't see how she proved your point.

And that is exactly your and her problem.

 

[peachgirl]

You know, I support this little thing in the Constitution called, get this, freedom of expression.

I agree! What I found most disturbing in the article wasn't the subject of the play, but they had to go to such lengths to hide what they were doing.

 

[Teejay32]

Originally posted by Samsara
You would like to see that type of speech and expression stifled? Wow. So this is what you, as a republican, stand for? Wow. We need change even more than I though!

I knew that would happen...when you post an example someone thinks you'd like to stifle free expression. Not at all. I have never come across people who actually want to outlaw free expression. (What would we have to talk about?)

The pic is an example of the kind of thinking that spawned this thread.

 

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by Robinrs

That speech makes me sick. It just adds fuel to the fire about how we haven't put any thought as to who who choose to side with.

It does? Even though I'm not black (like it should matter anyway) I don't see why these aren't legitimate questions.

Did you (I don't recall how you responded) think the same of what Bill Cosby had to say recently?

What people don't bother to realize is numbers and attitudes are two totally different things. Clinton befriended and made himself available to the Black community, in short, he never looked uncomfortable or unsure of being near or around us. I never felt that from George Bush. He gives us the impression that we don't matter and it comes across very loudly in his demeanor. I guess we're not part of the "haves and the have mores".

I think that what black people like don't realize is that there are quite a few (probably the majority of) non-blacks who couldn't care less that your black. You're just another person with a some different and some same problems as others.

 

[Samsara]

Oh, Teejay, are you assuming that just because someone puts on a play, holds up a sign, or makes some other form of expression against the shrub that she or he hates him?

Sounds a lot like assuming...

 

[Samsara]

Originally posted by Elwood Blues


I think that what black people like don't realize is that there are quite a few (probably the majority of) non-blacks who couldn't care less that your black. You're just another person with a some different and some same problems as others.

You tell 'em Elwood! You tell 'em what "black people" think, are like, feel, experience, and face! You tell 'em!

Oh, wait...

 

[peachgirl]

The pic is an example of the kind of thinking that spawned this thread.

And the kind of thinking that goes on with the right is just as bad. I could flood these boards with some of the most disgusting doctored photos of Kerry or Clinton anyone would ever care to see. There's a negative photo of Kerry right in between your post complaining about negative Bush pics and Elwood's.

I don't put up those types of photos because they simply show that you have nothing of substance to offer. I will tell you though, it's getting tougher and tougher not to retaliate in kind.

Those kinds of pictures aren't the reason for this thread...they're the excuse.

 

[Teejay32]

Peachgirl. I'm interested in why the Left hates Bush, and why other large groups of people hate Bush...not so much in why Peachgirl in particular hates Bush, or why the Right hated Clinton. Those have probably been covered well in other threads.

Samsara - a guy dressed up as Bush wearing a crown and holding Mein Kampf...I'm pretty confident that there's deep feeling there. That he hates the guy. Maybe it's just me.

But it's still an illustration. Apparently he's King George with a Nazi streak, okay, I get that, but the reasons why people think this way aren't that clear when they're on parade.

 

[peachgirl]

Peachgirl in particular hates Bush

Just to clarify...Peachgirl doesn't "hate" Bush.

 

[Mamu]

Being a middle of the road democrat I actually like Bush, it's Chaney that sour's my stomach.

 

[Samsara]

Originally posted by Teejay32
Samsara - a guy dressed up as Bush wearing a crown and holding Mein Kampf...I'm pretty confident that there's deep feeling there. That he hates the guy. Maybe it's just me.

Ah, there you go assuming again! One can't make a political statement about the opposition party without being labeled a "hatemonger"? Sounds like a suppression of free speech to me!

Does Doonsbury hate the shurb? Do the Dixie Chicks hate the shrub? Do Kerry and Edwards hate the shrub?

 

[Deb & Bill]

Anybody read Doonesbury this morning? There were several quotes from W in the comic strip. Just some reasons why he should never open his mouth without a speechwriter present.

"Karyn is with us. A West Texas girl, just like me." May 27, 2004

"The illiteracy level of our children are appalling." Jan 23, 2004

"I love to bring people into the Oval Office...And say, this is where I office." Jan 29, 2004

 

[Samsara]

Originally posted by Teejay32
Peachgirl in particular hates Bush,

You're kidding, right? Are you Peachgirl? Then, here's a unique idea, don't speak for her.

 

[hulabird]

President Bush has morals and values like I do and is proud of his faith in God, that makes me respect him even more. He is what this country needs and he will have my vote on Nov. 2 without a doubt.

He has been criticized for wearing his faith on his sleeve, well I applaud him for that, after all it is what the bible tells us to do. If God wants the President to be re-elected, he will be.

 

[Teejay32]

Originally posted by Samsara
Does Doonsbury hate the shurb? Do the Dixie Chicks hate the shrub? Do Kerry and Edwards hate the shrub?

Does anyone care?

I just decided I'm not going to discuss anything with you guys. We'll just dress up as each other instead, and pick out the most unflattering accessories and appropriate political signage. Then we'll march up and down the CB. If anyone objects, we can stare at them in horror and ask them why they hate freedom or something. Voila! Debate, twenty-first century style.

 

[Kendra17]

The comparison of the two pictures--Kerry/ Dukakis and Bush holding Mein Kampf is a false comparison.

Bush is not a neo-Nazi, nor is he a dictator, nor is he a genocidal pathological maniac. The juxtaposition of the Kerry and Dukakis photograph is perfectly valid. Although juxtaposed, the images are not manipulated photoshop products nor the rendering of some twisted anti-Democrat. Both photographs (of Kerry and Dukakis) were photo-ops that were cleared by each of their own campaigns. Each are legitimate images neither falsified or altered.

While the photographs, most importantly, demonstate the complete inability of both (Kerry and Dukakis) campaigns to market their candidate through images for their benefit, more importantly, each image dramatically illustrates the confusion, flippancy, and inappropriate whimsy of both candidates (Kerry and Dukakis). They are each extremely telling images. Certainly, this is the reason the Kerry campaign, despite their having produced the photograph (from Nasa) in the first place, wants to limit the publication of it.

The Bush juxtaposition with Hitler and other photos like it, is nothing more than hate speech in image form. Also, this is classic Agitprop whose goal is to rile up the anti-Bush forces. These are images whose target audience is neither learned nor sophisticated. However, the popularity of these images is a good indication that hate images, hate speech, and highly charged negative campaigning has hit a fertile audience with those on the left.

Also, the comparison between bin Laden's and Bush' religious philosophy is both obscene and absurd. I don't mean to tell you folks, here, that the foundation of Christianity, which Bush is an adherent of, is built upon peace and forgiveness, while bin Laden's religion is built upon violence, revenge, and death.

If you were unaware of these truths, you ought not be spending so much time on these boards--rather your local public library may be a better venue for your time. (this is probably where you-know-who will chime in!)

The thing that bothers Bush supporters the most is the emotional response that comes from the opposition. When valid arguments are given, the facts are almost invariably ignored while the source of the facts is condemned as being too Right-wing or partisan to be trusted. The Republicans hold the White House and the Senate--which hasn't been the case for 40 years. Certainly, this is a cause of concern/anger amongst many Democrats.

The idea that Democrats are more compassionate than Republicans is a popular--albeit incorrect--one these days. That's because the core issue for the Right is National Defense, while the core issue for the Left are, among many others, National Healthcare and increased minimum wage. Fundamentally, there's a deep disconnect between the Right and the Left insofar as to what is crucial. If the Left fails in this election, their core agenda for them can be dealt with at a later time. If the Right fails in this election, and the focus of the United States is NOT National Security, the core issues of the Left will be dealt with ONLY insofar as they relate to survival of the United States. This is an essential misunderstanding on the part of the Left of the nature of the current struggle that we are in.

From a rational perspective, those on the Left should actually be supporting George Bush--to secure the continued viability of the Left's key platform points.

 

[WillyJ]

Kendra,

How nice of you to lecture everyone else about "emotional responses" and infer that you and your ilk are the only ones who base their opinons on facts. . . and then post such an ignorant and bigoted and false statement about Islam?


You do know that Islam, Christianity, and Judaism all share a common foundation in the Old Testament, right?

No, obviously not. . . perhaps you're the one who could some time in the library..

 

[Robinrs]

Originally posted by Elwood Blues


Did you (I don't recall how you responded) think the same of what Bill Cosby had to say recently?



I think that what black people like don't realize is that there are quite a few (probably the majority of) non-blacks who couldn't care less that your black. You're just another person with a some different and some same problems as others.

Bill Cosby and just about every other AA over the age of 35 say the same exact things on a regular basis. I don't have ONE person like the kind he complained about in my entire family and it's because we feel the same way others do about people within their "groups" that seem to only get the press and the attention but do not represent the norm.

As for your last quote, I wish it were true.

 

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by Samsara
Oh, Teejay, are you assuming that just because someone puts on a play, holds up a sign, or makes some other form of expression against the shrub that she or he hates him?

Sounds a lot like assuming...

Just like Peachgirl assumes that Bush put two black people in high level positions as "tokens" for political gain.