Bush sets record-longest vacation in recent history

[inaminute]

The media rarely mentions Ms. Sheehan's son by name. I wonder how many people actually know her son's first name, much less what he did or where he was stationed in Iraq. How many people know how he died or what his unit was doing when he was killed? Does anyone know how old he was, what his rank was, the unit he was assigned to or how long he had been in Iraq? Do you know the names of his siblings or even how many siblings he left behind? (Without using Google to look it up first... )

Very little of that has ever been mentioned by the media and if it is mentioned, it is done in passing.

What is highlighted is Ms. Sheehan and her increasingly outrageous rhetoric (now summed up by "Get out of Iraq, get out of Palestine, I'm not paying any taxes!"). Her son is just barely a footnote on the story.

I've read much of what Ms. Sheehan has written and much of what is written about her protest. She can say anything she wants about her son's death. Odd thing is... she doesn't say that much about it either. It's almost like his death is just a footnote to her political agenda.

This whole story grows sadder and sadder every day.

Thank you. I was going to respond with these exact same thoughts. You said it much better than I could have.

 

[minniepumpernickel]

It all depends on what one means by "highlighted". The media rarely mentions Ms. Sheehan's son by name. I wonder how many people actually know her son's first name, much less what he did or where he was stationed in Iraq. How many people know how he died or what his unit was doing when he was killed? Does anyone know how old he was, what his rank was, the unit he was assigned to or how long he had been in Iraq? Do you know the names of his siblings or even how many siblings he left behind? (Without using Google to look it up first... )

Very little of that has ever been mentioned by the media and if it is mentioned, it is done in passing.

What is highlighted is Ms. Sheehan and her increasingly outrageous rhetoric (now summed up by "Get out of Iraq, get out of Palestine, I'm not paying any taxes!"). Her son is just barely a footnote on the story.

I've read much of what Ms. Sheehan has written and much of what is written about her protest. She can say anything she wants about her son's death. Odd thing is... she doesn't say that much about it either. It's almost like his death is just a footnote to her political agenda.

This whole story grows sadder and sadder every day.

His name was Casey, thats my neices name too. Her whole story is named after him. They said on the news that someone ran over the crosses that Cindy put up with the dead soldiers names on them with his pickup truck. The person is going to be prosecuted. That sounds kind of disrespectful to me. It doesn't sound like you ahve been watching the major networks. Is your agenda so strong that you can't just let a greiving mother do what she wants without trying to put her down?

 

[Tigger_Magic]

His name was Casey, thats my neices name too. Her whole story is named after him. They said on the news that someone ran over the crosses that Cindy put up with the dead soldiers names on them with his pickup truck. The person is going to be prosecuted. That sounds kind of disrespectful to me. It doesn't sound like you ahve been watching the major networks. Is your agenda so strong that you can't just let a greiving mother do what she wants without trying to put her down?

Wow, so you know his first name! What about the rest of the story? If the major networks have covered Casey's story in such detail, then surely you should be able to provide us with more than just his first name? Or is this just your creative side-step routine to avoid admitting that the only focus of the story is Ms. Sheehan and that her son is just barely a sidebar item?

Oh yeah, I forgot... when the right tries to point out the truth it's "putting someone down" or "sliming" them, but when the left does the same thing it's called "telling the truth" (just like the recently pulled NARAL ad). But I digress...

 

[ThAnswr]

It's almost like his death is just a footnote to her political agenda.

I had to see this again.

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Wow, so you know his first name! What about the rest of the story? If the major networks have covered Casey's story in such detail, then surely you should be able to provide us with more than just his first name? Or is this just your creative side-step routine to avoid admitting that the only focus of the story is Ms. Sheehan and that her son is just barely a sidebar item?

Oh yeah, I forgot... when the right tries to point out the truth it's "putting someone down" or "sliming" them, but when the left does the same thing it's called "telling the truth" (just like the recently pulled NARAL ad). But I digress...

Wow, your words make you sound really bitter. I have no desire to fight over whether or not it is "just" or appropriate for a mother to express her grief. I never claimed to be an expert on the news, I actually just got back from the beach and turned on my TV this morning so I'm trying to catch up.

It is a sad story, do you not agree? What is it about you that needs to be so "right"? I even think it's wrong that the opposition knocked over the crosses and I'm anti-religious. Put yourself in her shoes, if you are capable of that type of empathy. It really doesn't matter what I think, it's her dead son.

 

[bsnyder]

Why don't we hear these voices in the MSM? They've lost children in Iraq too. Apparently the media is only interested if they become mouthpieces for the Angry Left.

"I don't agree" with Sheehan's views, said Lynn Kelly of Pitman, whose son, Marine Cpl. Sean P. Kelly, was killed in a helicopter crash in Iraq in January.

"I wouldn't say, 'Bush, you killed my son.' I don't agree with that," said Kelly.

"I think we had to do something and I believe that ultimately, I was one of the few that had to make the ultimate sacrifice, which isn't fair, in my eyes," she said.

"But I don't believe that Mr. Bush was the one that pulled the trigger," said Kelly.

Or Linda Ryan:

Marine Cpl. Marc T. Ryan, of Gloucester City, was killed in an explosion in Ramadi, Iraq in November.

"I would tell Cindy Sheehan that, as one mother to another, I do realize your loss is your loss and there's nothing you can do to heal from it," said the corporal's mother, Linda Ryan.

"George Bush didn't kill her son, it's the evildoers who have no value of life who killed her son. Her son made a decision to join the Armed Forces and defend our country, knowing that, at any time, war could come about," Ryan said.

She said she's been on the end of those kinds of conversations several times. Recently, when she took her dog in for medical treatment, the veterinarian, despite seeing Ryan's memory bracelet and the necklace bearing a portrait of her son, started telling her how much she hates George Bush.

"I've decided I'm just going to say, 'I realize you have your opinions, but it aches me, it's heart-wrenching for me'," said Ryan.

"George Bush was my son's commander-in-chief. My son, Marc, totally believed in what he was doing," she said.

Or Thomas Zapp:

Among those attending the pro-Bush rally was Thomas Zapp, of Richmond, Texas, whose 20-year-old son, Marine Lance Cpl. T.J. Zapp, was killed by a bomb in Iraq on Nov. 8, 2004.

Zapp said that it was unfair for Sheehan to demand a second meeting with the president when many parents of slain GIs, like himself, have not even had a single meeting.

"I have not met with President Bush," he told the Tribune-Herald. "Why should she get to meet with President Bush again?"

"I firmly believe our president is sincere with what we have to do and I believe that he's under enormous pressure and he's doing the best he can. I'm here to support him," Zapp added.
Or Jim Boskovitch:

A bagpiper played "Amazing Grace" as city and religious leaders paid tribute in Cleveland today to the 16 Ohio Marines killed in Iraq in the past week.

Hundreds of people turned out for the downtown vigil over the lunch hour.

Jim Boskovitch is the father of Corporal Jeff Boskovitch, one of five Marine snipers killed on Monday [8 August]. He says his family came to the vigil to support the troops still in Iraq.
Or Robert Hoffman:

Motorcycles roared their engines Saturday to herald the funeral procession of Marine Sgt. Justin Hoffman, one of 14 Marines killed last week in the deadliest roadside bombing since U.S. troops invaded Iraq...

"'Freedom is not free' is a phrase we hear every day, but few of us understand what it means," Robert Hoffman said Saturday at his son's funeral in Powell, another Columbus suburb. "Justin and the Lima Company understood. They gave up their lives for it."
Or James and William McNaughton:

In a day of extraordinary pageantry and sadness, the funeral in Lake Ronkonkoma for James McNaughton - an Army reservist and New York City police officer killed in Iraq - was marked by thousands...…

McNaughton's uncle, James McNaughton - the man for whom the fallen soldier was named - stood at the lectern to describe the code by which his nephew and godson lived, which he called "the ideal of the gentleman warrior."

"They deserve our grateful respect," McNaughton said. "They are our modern samurai."

At the close of the service, the soldier's father, William McNaughton, stood beside his son's coffin and offered a brief eulogy and thank-you to the congregation.

"Most people don't know what the word samurai means. It means to serve," he said. "He's been serving his whole life. He's been carrying a gun since he was 18."
Or Kelly Matias:

Lance Cpl. Evenor C. Herrera adopted the United States as his country and Wednesday perished while serving it.

"He was very proud to be in the Marines," cousin Kelly Matias said. "He adopted this country as his own. He was willing to die for the peace here."

These stories, by the way, are just from the past two days

 

[dcentity2000]

Blah blah, Rabid Right, Loony Left, I call your bluff, you call my bluff, blah blah blah.

Heh



Rich::

 

[ThAnswr]

Why don't we hear these voices in the MSM? They've lost children in Iraq too. Apparently the media is only interested if they become mouthpieces for the Angry Left.

"I don't agree" with Sheehan's views, said Lynn Kelly of Pitman, whose son, Marine Cpl. Sean P. Kelly, was killed in a helicopter crash in Iraq in January.

"I wouldn't say, 'Bush, you killed my son.' I don't agree with that," said Kelly.

"I think we had to do something and I believe that ultimately, I was one of the few that had to make the ultimate sacrifice, which isn't fair, in my eyes," she said.

"But I don't believe that Mr. Bush was the one that pulled the trigger," said Kelly.

Or Linda Ryan:

Marine Cpl. Marc T. Ryan, of Gloucester City, was killed in an explosion in Ramadi, Iraq in November.

"I would tell Cindy Sheehan that, as one mother to another, I do realize your loss is your loss and there's nothing you can do to heal from it," said the corporal's mother, Linda Ryan.

"George Bush didn't kill her son, it's the evildoers who have no value of life who killed her son. Her son made a decision to join the Armed Forces and defend our country, knowing that, at any time, war could come about," Ryan said.

She said she's been on the end of those kinds of conversations several times. Recently, when she took her dog in for medical treatment, the veterinarian, despite seeing Ryan's memory bracelet and the necklace bearing a portrait of her son, started telling her how much she hates George Bush.

"I've decided I'm just going to say, 'I realize you have your opinions, but it aches me, it's heart-wrenching for me'," said Ryan.

"George Bush was my son's commander-in-chief. My son, Marc, totally believed in what he was doing," she said.

Or Thomas Zapp:

Among those attending the pro-Bush rally was Thomas Zapp, of Richmond, Texas, whose 20-year-old son, Marine Lance Cpl. T.J. Zapp, was killed by a bomb in Iraq on Nov. 8, 2004.

Zapp said that it was unfair for Sheehan to demand a second meeting with the president when many parents of slain GIs, like himself, have not even had a single meeting.

"I have not met with President Bush," he told the Tribune-Herald. "Why should she get to meet with President Bush again?"

"I firmly believe our president is sincere with what we have to do and I believe that he's under enormous pressure and he's doing the best he can. I'm here to support him," Zapp added.
Or Jim Boskovitch:

A bagpiper played "Amazing Grace" as city and religious leaders paid tribute in Cleveland today to the 16 Ohio Marines killed in Iraq in the past week.

Hundreds of people turned out for the downtown vigil over the lunch hour.

Jim Boskovitch is the father of Corporal Jeff Boskovitch, one of five Marine snipers killed on Monday [8 August]. He says his family came to the vigil to support the troops still in Iraq.
Or Robert Hoffman:

Motorcycles roared their engines Saturday to herald the funeral procession of Marine Sgt. Justin Hoffman, one of 14 Marines killed last week in the deadliest roadside bombing since U.S. troops invaded Iraq...

"'Freedom is not free' is a phrase we hear every day, but few of us understand what it means," Robert Hoffman said Saturday at his son's funeral in Powell, another Columbus suburb. "Justin and the Lima Company understood. They gave up their lives for it."
Or James and William McNaughton:

In a day of extraordinary pageantry and sadness, the funeral in Lake Ronkonkoma for James McNaughton - an Army reservist and New York City police officer killed in Iraq - was marked by thousands...…

McNaughton's uncle, James McNaughton - the man for whom the fallen soldier was named - stood at the lectern to describe the code by which his nephew and godson lived, which he called "the ideal of the gentleman warrior."

"They deserve our grateful respect," McNaughton said. "They are our modern samurai."

At the close of the service, the soldier's father, William McNaughton, stood beside his son's coffin and offered a brief eulogy and thank-you to the congregation.

"Most people don't know what the word samurai means. It means to serve," he said. "He's been serving his whole life. He's been carrying a gun since he was 18."
Or Kelly Matias:

Lance Cpl. Evenor C. Herrera adopted the United States as his country and Wednesday perished while serving it.

"He was very proud to be in the Marines," cousin Kelly Matias said. "He adopted this country as his own. He was willing to die for the peace here."

These stories, by the way, are just from the past two days

Only the left is angry? I've seen more venom towards Mrs. Sheehan exhibited here than on the Animal Planet snake-lover shows.

But, please carry on...........me and the peanut gallery are enjoying the spectacle.

 

[bsnyder]

Only the left is angry? I've seen more venom towards Mrs. Sheehan exhibited here than on the Animal Planet snake-lover shows.

But, please carry on...........me and the peanut gallery are enjoying the spectacle.

That sure neatly sidesteps the question I asked.

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Only the left is angry? I've seen more venom towards Mrs. Sheehan exhibited here than on the Animal Planet snake-lover shows.

But, please carry on...........me and the peanut gallery are enjoying the spectacle.

Hey, I love Animal Planet! Did you know that when most mammals fight over territory that they rarely fight to the death? Isn't that kind of ironic?

I don't think that I could bear to watch the snakes go at each other, I have a weak stomach for gore and violence!

 

[ThAnswr]

That sure neatly sidesteps the question I asked.

Just to be clear, there was no sidestepping.........I didn't answer your neverending rhetorical question because I didn't feel like it.

Just so there's no misunderstanding.

And, again, carry on..........you're putting on a great show.

 

[Charade]

Just to be clear, there was no sidestepping.........I didn't your neverending rhetorical question because I didn't feel like it.

Just so there's no misunderstanding.

And, again, carry on..........you're putting on a great show.

But you felt compelled to slip in a comment. Nice work!

 

[Charade]

That sure neatly sidesteps the question I asked.

Interesting that nobody commented on the message I posted about Bush going to Ft. Bragg to meet with families of fallen soldiers. While on his "vacation" no less.

Interesting indeed.

 

[ThAnswr]

But you felt compelled to slip in a comment. Nice work!

That's how BB's work.

Someone says something and someone comments on it.

Let me know which of your reincarnations I should send the handbook to.

 

[Charade]

That's how BB's work.

Someone says something and someone comments on it.

Let me know which of your reincarnations I should send the handbook to.

DOH!!

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Why don't we hear these voices in the MSM? They've lost children in Iraq too. Apparently the media is only interested if they become mouthpieces for the Angry Left.

"I don't agree" with Sheehan's views, said Lynn Kelly of Pitman, whose son, Marine Cpl. Sean P. Kelly, was killed in a helicopter crash in Iraq in January.

"I wouldn't say, 'Bush, you killed my son.' I don't agree with that," said Kelly.

"I think we had to do something and I believe that ultimately, I was one of the few that had to make the ultimate sacrifice, which isn't fair, in my eyes," she said.

"But I don't believe that Mr. Bush was the one that pulled the trigger," said Kelly.

Or Linda Ryan:

Marine Cpl. Marc T. Ryan, of Gloucester City, was killed in an explosion in Ramadi, Iraq in November.

"I would tell Cindy Sheehan that, as one mother to another, I do realize your loss is your loss and there's nothing you can do to heal from it," said the corporal's mother, Linda Ryan.

"George Bush didn't kill her son, it's the evildoers who have no value of life who killed her son. Her son made a decision to join the Armed Forces and defend our country, knowing that, at any time, war could come about," Ryan said.

She said she's been on the end of those kinds of conversations several times. Recently, when she took her dog in for medical treatment, the veterinarian, despite seeing Ryan's memory bracelet and the necklace bearing a portrait of her son, started telling her how much she hates George Bush.

"I've decided I'm just going to say, 'I realize you have your opinions, but it aches me, it's heart-wrenching for me'," said Ryan.

"George Bush was my son's commander-in-chief. My son, Marc, totally believed in what he was doing," she said.

Or Thomas Zapp:

Among those attending the pro-Bush rally was Thomas Zapp, of Richmond, Texas, whose 20-year-old son, Marine Lance Cpl. T.J. Zapp, was killed by a bomb in Iraq on Nov. 8, 2004.

Zapp said that it was unfair for Sheehan to demand a second meeting with the president when many parents of slain GIs, like himself, have not even had a single meeting.

"I have not met with President Bush," he told the Tribune-Herald. "Why should she get to meet with President Bush again?"

"I firmly believe our president is sincere with what we have to do and I believe that he's under enormous pressure and he's doing the best he can. I'm here to support him," Zapp added.
Or Jim Boskovitch:

A bagpiper played "Amazing Grace" as city and religious leaders paid tribute in Cleveland today to the 16 Ohio Marines killed in Iraq in the past week.

Hundreds of people turned out for the downtown vigil over the lunch hour.

Jim Boskovitch is the father of Corporal Jeff Boskovitch, one of five Marine snipers killed on Monday [8 August]. He says his family came to the vigil to support the troops still in Iraq.
Or Robert Hoffman:

Motorcycles roared their engines Saturday to herald the funeral procession of Marine Sgt. Justin Hoffman, one of 14 Marines killed last week in the deadliest roadside bombing since U.S. troops invaded Iraq...

"'Freedom is not free' is a phrase we hear every day, but few of us understand what it means," Robert Hoffman said Saturday at his son's funeral in Powell, another Columbus suburb. "Justin and the Lima Company understood. They gave up their lives for it."
Or James and William McNaughton:

In a day of extraordinary pageantry and sadness, the funeral in Lake Ronkonkoma for James McNaughton - an Army reservist and New York City police officer killed in Iraq - was marked by thousands...…

McNaughton's uncle, James McNaughton - the man for whom the fallen soldier was named - stood at the lectern to describe the code by which his nephew and godson lived, which he called "the ideal of the gentleman warrior."

"They deserve our grateful respect," McNaughton said. "They are our modern samurai."

At the close of the service, the soldier's father, William McNaughton, stood beside his son's coffin and offered a brief eulogy and thank-you to the congregation.

"Most people don't know what the word samurai means. It means to serve," he said. "He's been serving his whole life. He's been carrying a gun since he was 18."
Or Kelly Matias:

Lance Cpl. Evenor C. Herrera adopted the United States as his country and Wednesday perished while serving it.

"He was very proud to be in the Marines," cousin Kelly Matias said. "He adopted this country as his own. He was willing to die for the peace here."

These stories, by the way, are just from the past two days

I just wanted to say that for the record, I read all of the mother's stories. Each one is entitled to their views and opinions. It's not my job to judge who is more right or deserving of an opinion on their son's death.

 

[ThAnswr]

I just wanted to say that for the record, I read all of the mother's stories. Each one is entitled to their views and opinions. It's not my job to judge who is more right or deserving of an opinion on their son's death.

Yup...........

 

[Tigger_Magic]

I just wanted to say that for the record, I read all of the mother's stories. Each one is entitled to their views and opinions. It's not my job to judge who is more right or deserving of an opinion on their son's death.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Opinions are like belly buttons... everyone has one and there are precious few in this world that are worth spending significant time contemplating.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

An interesting quote from Cliff Kincaid, editor of AIM (Accuracy in Media):

True respect for Casey Sheehan's sacrifice also requires exposing those who want the U.S. to fail and the terrorists in Iraq to win. Is this now Cindy Sheehan's notion of "peace?" Why don't reporters ask her? Or are they afraid of the answer?

But this will surely be dismissed as just more "sliming" from a "rightie mouthpiece".

 

[minniepumpernickel]

An interesting quote from Cliff Kincaid, editor of AIM (Accuracy in Media): But this will surely be dismissed as just more "sliming" from a "rightie mouthpiece".

I'm almost reluctant to post again, because I've posted enough on this thread, but does Kincaid mean "terrorists" or "insurgents"? The statement is a little unclear to me.