Bush sets record-longest vacation in recent history

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Teejay32 said:
sure, and next you'll be saying you don't wake up to Rush radio and the Free Republic every morning either. :p

More about the USNWR article, it begins: "On March 3, with little fanfare, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Richard Myers, signed a comprehensive new plan for the war on terrorism." The NYT catches on five months later.

Call it what you want...it's still a pack of lies perpetrated by a gang of traitors. All the bows, ribbons and flag draping are for the benefit of the weak minded who bought the snake oil.

Fortunately the majority of Americans now believe that Bu$h is a liar and recognize the war for what it is...

"You can put your boots in the oven but that don't make 'em biscuits".
 
Lebjwb said:
Call it what you want...it's still a pack of lies perpetrated by a gang of traitors. All the bows, ribbons and flag draping are for the benefit of the weak minded who bought the snake oil.

Really? So the war in Afghanistan was built on a pack of lies? And those of us that believe it was the right thing to do are weak minded?
 
He's behind the times, those are the Michael Moore talking points. There is no terrorist threat to this country, it's all lies, Bu$h is the real threat....
 
BuckNaked said:
Really? So the war in Afghanistan was built on a pack of lies? And those of us that believe it was the right thing to do are weak minded?

Got Bin Laden?

Got WMD'S?

Bu$h was counting on the good little sheep who are so easily led to slaughter and he got 'em, hook, line and sinker.
 

Teejay32 said:
He's behind the times, those are the Michael Moore talking points. There is no terrorist threat to this country, it's all lies, Bu$h is the real threat....

Never read MM, never saw any of his films either.

The biggest threat to this country resides in the White House.
 
Teejay32 said:
He's behind the times, those are the Michael Moore talking points. There is no terrorist threat to this country, it's all lies, Bu$h is the real threat....


It appears you missed the talking point. Aren't we supposed to be safer because of Bu$h's war? I thought we were fighting them there so we wouldn't have to fight them here? Any doubts? Ask the folks in London. You were duped...not me.
 
The Frank Rich editorail in the NYT is really very good. It points outs that Bush is the only one who does not know that we have lost the war in Iraq. Someone Tell the President the War Is Over
LIKE the Japanese soldier marooned on an island for years after V-J Day, President Bush may be the last person in the country to learn that for Americans, if not Iraqis, the war in Iraq is over. "We will stay the course," he insistently tells us from his Texas ranch. What do you mean we, white man?

A president can't stay the course when his own citizens (let alone his own allies) won't stay with him. The approval rate for Mr. Bush's handling of Iraq plunged to 34 percent in last weekend's Newsweek poll - a match for the 32 percent that approved L.B.J.'s handling of Vietnam in early March 1968. (The two presidents' overall approval ratings have also converged: 41 percent for Johnson then, 42 percent for Bush now.) On March 31, 1968, as L.B.J.'s ratings plummeted further, he announced he wouldn't seek re-election, commencing our long extrication from that quagmire.

But our current Texas president has even outdone his predecessor; Mr. Bush has lost not only the country but also his army. Neither bonuses nor fudged standards nor the faking of high school diplomas has solved the recruitment shortfall. Now Jake Tapper of ABC News reports that the armed forces are so eager for bodies they will flout "don't ask, don't tell" and hang on to gay soldiers who tell, even if they tell the press.....

That battle crashed past the tipping point this month in Ohio. There's historical symmetry in that. It was in Cincinnati on Oct. 7, 2002, that Mr. Bush gave the fateful address that sped Congressional ratification of the war just days later. The speech was a miasma of self-delusion, half-truths and hype. The president said that "we know that Iraq and Al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade," an exaggeration based on evidence that the Senate Intelligence Committee would later find far from conclusive. He said that Saddam "could have a nuclear weapon in less than a year" were he able to secure "an amount of highly enriched uranium a little larger than a single softball." Our own National Intelligence Estimate of Oct. 1 quoted State Department findings that claims of Iraqi pursuit of uranium in Africa were "highly dubious."

It was on these false premises - that Iraq was both a collaborator on 9/11 and about to inflict mushroom clouds on America - that honorable and brave young Americans were sent off to fight. Among them were the 19 marine reservists from a single suburban Cleveland battalion slaughtered in just three days at the start of this month. As they perished, another Ohio marine reservist who had served in Iraq came close to winning a Congressional election in southern Ohio. Paul Hackett, a Democrat who called the president a "chicken hawk," received 48 percent of the vote in exactly the kind of bedrock conservative Ohio district that decided the 2004 election for Mr. Bush. ....

Nothing that happens on the ground in Iraq can turn around the fate of this war in America: not a shotgun constitution rushed to meet an arbitrary deadline, not another Iraqi election, not higher terrorist body counts, not another battle for Falluja (where insurgents may again regroup, The Los Angeles Times reported last week). A citizenry that was asked to accept tax cuts, not sacrifice, at the war's inception is hardly in the mood to start sacrificing now. There will be neither the volunteers nor the money required to field the wholesale additional American troops that might bolster the security situation in Iraq.

WHAT lies ahead now in Iraq instead is not victory, which Mr. Bush has never clearly defined anyway, but an exit (or triage) strategy that may echo Johnson's March 1968 plan for retreat from Vietnam: some kind of negotiations (in this case, with Sunni elements of the insurgency), followed by more inflated claims about the readiness of the local troops-in-training, whom we'll then throw to the wolves. Such an outcome may lead to even greater disaster, but this administration long ago squandered the credibility needed to make the difficult case that more human and financial resources might prevent Iraq from continuing its descent into civil war and its devolution into jihad central.

Thus the president's claim on Thursday that "no decision has been made yet" about withdrawing troops from Iraq can be taken exactly as seriously as the vice president's preceding fantasy that the insurgency is in its "last throes." The country has already made the decision for Mr. Bush. We're outta there. Now comes the hard task of identifying the leaders who can pick up the pieces of the fiasco that has made us more vulnerable, not less, to the terrorists who struck us four years ago next month.
Again, the war in Iraq was based on lies. The American public has figured out that Bush fixed the facts and the intelligence to justify the war.

One good thing is that the military is so desparate for soliders that the "don't ask, don't tell" policy has been dropped. The war in Iraq has at least caused the miliary to rethink the homophobia that has been a hallmark of our armed forces.

I really love this line from this editoral
"We will stay the course," he insistently tells us from his Texas ranch. What do you mean we, white man?
 
Yep, it's all about the oil. I just so enjoy driving now that gas is less than $1.00 per gallon.

Who ever claimed that the profits reaped would be passed down to U.S. consumers?:rotfl2:

There's a reason why, with all the supposed shortages in production and refinery capabilities and gas prices going sky high, that oil companies are showing record setting profits.
 
transparant said:
It's a darn shame I can't share all of these emails and letters with you - it would be a real eye opener. According to those that are there right now and get to experience working and gaining relationships with Iraqi's and their families - not one of them has an "America Sucks" attitude.

What about the guys with the bombs, do they love America, too? Or do you believe the spin that they are all foreigners coming in from other Arab countries. It was funny how the reporting overnight went from the bombers being 90% native Iraqi's to predominantly Syrian. What's funnier is that people like you believe that crap.
 
kasar said:
What does he care? It's not like he has to run for president again.

Looks bad - which to me, would be enough to not want to do it. I know he's working there but our president, in a time of war (and an ugly one at that) should be in the White House, the seat of power in this country. That's my opinion (and I rarely ever post to political threads, I'm just mad that all those soldiers died today).
We agree. :rolleyes:
 
momof2inPA said:
What about the guys with the bombs, do they love America, too? Or do you believe the spin that they are all foreigners coming in from other Arab countries. It was funny how the reporting overnight went from the bombers being 90% native Iraqi's to predominantly Syrian. What's funnier is that people like you believe that crap.

What about 'em? It's pretty clear that some Iraqi's want nothing to do with a free Iraq (for whatever reason). Some are foreign fighters as well. So? It's also pretty clear that they don't love America either. She's talking about the people in Iraq (Iraqi's) that DO want a free Iraq. Who cares how those killers feel.
 
transparant said:
Not that I rely on polls often - but the Bookings Insitute just released a recent poll on how Iraqi's feel - looks like the majority are quite optomistic to me
Likely true but wholly irrelevant. There are no "Iraqis", in the unitary political sense. There are Kurds Sunnis Shiites and other less numerous groups. Shiites are the majority, and they definitely look forward to assuming power. But that does not make the Sunni Triangle governable, or mean you can create a functional state. Not sure that can happen. At best, we might be able to crete federal divisions
 
What the Heck said:
I like number 2, but I don't see it ever happening, no matter who was in office. The Iraqi troops however, could use some training at some of our bases in the desert. We could send our trainers there to meet them.

As for number 3, I never got the impression they were "lone wolf's" or led by "Pakistani sheperds". They are part of a very serious terrorist outfit, one that wants to kill people to make them submit. Whether it's Al Queda or Zwhatshisname (however you spell his name, I'm not even going to try), although I don't think there are enough Old Guard to be doing it.

Regarding number 4, that is something we can definately agree on. As long as those borders are a sieve, they will keep getting more insurgents. I think it would be very difficult to do, but it would be worthwhile.

We already train Iraqi security forces in Jordan

It is most definitely Iraqi military regulars that make up the vast majority of the inurgency. That can't be honestly debated.

We could do a better job with far more troops, but is logistically impossible to shut down the borders
 
It sounds like some in the Bush administration are beginning to acknowledge what was set forth in Frank Rich's editoral posted above, that we are losing the war in Iraq. Now, we are lowering expectations for what we will accomplish in Iraq. U.S. lowers expectations for Iraq
The Bush administration is significantly lowering expectations of what can be achieved in Iraq, recognizing that the United States will have to settle for far less progress than originally envisioned during the transition due to end in four months, according to U.S. officials in Washington and Baghdad.

The United States no longer expects to see a model new democracy, a self-supporting oil industry or a society where the majority of people are free from serious security or economic challenges, U.S. officials say.

"What we expected to achieve was never realistic given the timetable or what unfolded on the ground," said a senior official involved in policy since the 2003 invasion. "We are in a process of absorbing the factors of the situation we're in and shedding the unreality that dominated at the beginning."...

Washington now does not expect to fully defeat the insurgency before departing, but instead to diminish it, officials and analysts said. There is also growing talk of turning over security responsibilities to Iraqi forces even if they are not fully up to original U.S. expectations, in part because they have local legitimacy that U.S. troops often do not.
It certainly sounds like this nobel adventure has been a total bust. We invaded a country based on lies and "fixed facts and intelligence" and now have to admit that we will not succeed in the grand plans. Bush lied and thousand died. Now, it appears that these thosands died for a failure.
 
I support Bush in this. If you're not fit for the job, more vacation time can only be a good thing ;)



Rich::
 
One way to measure the length of Bush's vacation.
47 Soldiers Have Died While Bush Vacations

August 2, 2005 to August 14, 2005

14-Aug-2005
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13-Aug-2005
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12-Aug-2005
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10-Aug-2005
US Lance Corporal Evenor C. Herrera
US Sergeant 1st Class Michael A. Benson
09-Aug-2005
US Staff Sergeant Ryan S. Ostrom
US Specialist Francis Straub Jr.
US Private 1st Class Nathaniel "Nate" DeTample
US Private 1st Class John Kulick
US Specialist Gennaro Pellegrini Jr.
US Specialist Miguel Carrasquillo
08-Aug-2005
US Staff Sergeant Ramon E. Gonzales Cordova
07-Aug-2005
US Private 1st Class Seferino J. Reyna
06-Aug-2005
US Lance Corporal Chase Johnson Cromley
US Sergeant Brahim J. Jeffcoat
US Specialist Kurt E. Krout
05-Aug-2005
US Sergeant 1st Class Brett E. Walden
US Gunnery Sergeant Terry W. Ball Jr.
US Sergeant 1st Class Robert V. Derenda
04-Aug-2005
US Private 1st Class Nils George Thompson
US Staff Sergeant Chad J. Simon
03-Aug-2005
US Lance Corporal Adam J. Strain
US Specialist Mathew V. Gibbs
US Sergeant 1st Class Charles Houghton Warren
US Specialist Jerry Lewis Ganey Jr.
US Lance Corporal Nicholas William B. Bloem
US Corporal David S. Stewart
US Sergeant Bradley J. Harper
US Lance Corporal Kevin G. Waruinge
US Lance Corporal Grant B. Fraser
US Sergeant Justin F. Hoffman
US Lance Corporal Eric J. Bernholtz
US Lance Corporal Aaron H. Reed
US Corporal David Kenneth J. Kreuter
US Lance Corporal William Brett Wightman
US Lance Corporal Christopher Jenkins Dyer
US Lance Corporal Michael J. Cifuentes
US Lance Corporal Timothy Michael Bell Jr.
US Lance Corporal Edward August Schroeder II
02-Aug-2005
US Petty Officer 1st Class Thomas C. Hull
US Staff Sergeant James D. McNaughton
 
In case any who still think Bush is right about Iraq, the article quoted by The Professor is from a Washington Post report. Isn't that paper supposed to be on Bush's side?

So now our soldier's have died to support a theocracy. Is that what 'we' expected in this war on terror? Iraq has now official become Bush's Viet Nam. An Islamic republic in Iraq will eventually align itself with Iran and support extremism. Thanks President Bush for keeping focus on the correct target, NOT.

So Teejay of course the locals in general like what we are doing but has the cost in American lives been worth it? If at the end of the day Iraq becomes more like Iran than USA in form of government.
 
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