Bush sets record-longest vacation in recent history

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Charade said:
So IOW, trickle down economics doesn't work. The alternative to tax cuts is what? The solution to paying down the national debt is what? Me thinks they are one in the same.

But there is a 3rd choice. QUIT SPENDING MONEY LIKE A SAILOR ON SHORE LEAVE!


"The alternative to tax cuts is what? " Is that Zen? Let's see, how about restoring tax rates to 2000 levels. - you know, the rates that Newt and suuply-siders predicted would choke the economy ito recession.

As for the spending line, honestly, ya'll need to escape the Conintern and actually think for a minute before you adopt an opinion

From a response to apost from two years ago that tried to make the same point (the situation is far wrose now, and none of the above addressed the demographic baby boom time bomb plus other issues the President has put off until he is out of office, like the Medicare drug benefit.
Discretionary spending in 2004, numbers which I think are not reliable, but which cannot be contested by Administration supporters, show nondefense discretionary as $439 billion, defense as $409 billion, deficit as $475. And that doesn't include "supplemental requests (like the $87 billion asked for last week - this report is from July)

So, unless you want to cut defense, you could cut all discretionary spending in the budget, every penny, and still be in deficit by $123 billion ($36 + 87 supplemental asked for last week), and that's using the traditionally cooked numbers. Krugman is looking more like Cassandra/Tiresias every day.

The truly scary thing is that in the 80s, ya'll used rhetoric like that to gain power, but then at least governed as responsible adults in most cases. Now there is no adult supervision in DC - you have a generation of ideologues that have been fed this crap and believe it, and they're running the country into the ground in the process

Ya'll are clueless
 
sodaseller said:
As for the spending line, honestly, ya'll need to escape the Conintern and actually think for a minute before you adopt an opinion

Are you insulting my intelligence?



Ya'll are clueless

DAMN!! You are!
 

Update on Bush's vacation.
40 Soldiers Have Died While Bush Vacations

August 2, 2005 to August 12, 2005
12-Aug-2005
US NAME NOT RELEASED YET
10-Aug-2005
US Lance Corporal Evenor C. Herrera
US Sergeant 1st Class Michael A. Benson
09-Aug-2005
US Staff Sergeant Ryan S. Ostrom
US Specialist Francis Straub Jr.
US Private 1st Class Nathaniel "Nate" DeTample
US Private 1st Class John Kulick
US Specialist Gennaro Pellegrini Jr.
US Specialist Miguel Carrasquillo
08-Aug-2005
US Staff Sergeant Ramon E. Gonzales Cordova
07-Aug-2005
US Private 1st Class Seferino J. Reyna
06-Aug-2005
US Lance Corporal Chase Johnson Cromley
US Sergeant Brahim J. Jeffcoat
US Specialist Kurt E. Krout
05-Aug-2005
US Sergeant 1st Class Brett E. Walden
US Gunnery Sergeant Terry W. Ball Jr.
US Sergeant 1st Class Robert V. Derenda
04-Aug-2005
US Private 1st Class Nils George Thompson
US Staff Sergeant Chad J. Simon
03-Aug-2005
US Lance Corporal Adam J. Strain
US Specialist Mathew V. Gibbs
US Sergeant 1st Class Charles Houghton Warren
US Specialist Jerry Lewis Ganey Jr.
US Lance Corporal Nicholas William B. Bloem
US Corporal David S. Stewart
US Sergeant Bradley J. Harper
US Lance Corporal Kevin G. Waruinge
US Lance Corporal Grant B. Fraser
US Sergeant Justin F. Hoffman
US Lance Corporal Eric J. Bernholtz
US Lance Corporal Aaron H. Reed
US Corporal David Kenneth J. Kreuter
US Lance Corporal William Brett Wightman
US Lance Corporal Christopher Jenkins Dyer
US Lance Corporal Michael J. Cifuentes
US Lance Corporal Timothy Michael Bell Jr.
US Lance Corporal Edward August Schroeder II
02-Aug-2005
US Petty Officer 1st Class Thomas C. Hull
US Staff Sergeant James D. McNaughton
 
sodaseller said:
That argument alaways evokes:
Ah, you do have a sense of humor!

Seriously though, if "our side" is so clueless, how is that "your side" can't convice people of that?
 
Professor Mouse said:
Update on Bush's vacation.
40 Soldiers Have Died While Bush Vacations

August 2, 2005 to August 12, 2005
12-Aug-2005
US NAME NOT RELEASED YET
10-Aug-2005
US Lance Corporal Evenor C. Herrera
US Sergeant 1st Class Michael A. Benson
09-Aug-2005
US Staff Sergeant Ryan S. Ostrom
US Specialist Francis Straub Jr.
US Private 1st Class Nathaniel "Nate" DeTample
US Private 1st Class John Kulick
US Specialist Gennaro Pellegrini Jr.
US Specialist Miguel Carrasquillo
08-Aug-2005
US Staff Sergeant Ramon E. Gonzales Cordova
07-Aug-2005
US Private 1st Class Seferino J. Reyna
06-Aug-2005
US Lance Corporal Chase Johnson Cromley
US Sergeant Brahim J. Jeffcoat
US Specialist Kurt E. Krout
05-Aug-2005
US Sergeant 1st Class Brett E. Walden
US Gunnery Sergeant Terry W. Ball Jr.
US Sergeant 1st Class Robert V. Derenda
04-Aug-2005
US Private 1st Class Nils George Thompson
US Staff Sergeant Chad J. Simon
03-Aug-2005
US Lance Corporal Adam J. Strain
US Specialist Mathew V. Gibbs
US Sergeant 1st Class Charles Houghton Warren
US Specialist Jerry Lewis Ganey Jr.
US Lance Corporal Nicholas William B. Bloem
US Corporal David S. Stewart
US Sergeant Bradley J. Harper
US Lance Corporal Kevin G. Waruinge
US Lance Corporal Grant B. Fraser
US Sergeant Justin F. Hoffman
US Lance Corporal Eric J. Bernholtz
US Lance Corporal Aaron H. Reed
US Corporal David Kenneth J. Kreuter
US Lance Corporal William Brett Wightman
US Lance Corporal Christopher Jenkins Dyer
US Lance Corporal Michael J. Cifuentes
US Lance Corporal Timothy Michael Bell Jr.
US Lance Corporal Edward August Schroeder II
02-Aug-2005
US Petty Officer 1st Class Thomas C. Hull
US Staff Sergeant James D. McNaughton


While that's sad news Kyle, I still don't see a President's vacation as the same as the one your or I take. No one better call me while I'm on vacation but I sure as heck expect the President be available 24/7.
 
Professor Mouse said:
Update on Bush's vacation.
The implication being that had President Bush not taken a "vacation", these individuals would not have died? :confused: I think there would be a complaint about these 40 deaths no matter where the President was or what he was doing. I suppose, Professor, that you support the Jimmy Carter School of Being a President -- lock yourself in the Oval Office and micro-manage everything?
 
Tigger_Magic said:
The implication being that had President Bush not taken a "vacation", these individuals would not have died? :confused:

Actually, I think his point is that Bush shouldn't be on vacation (or take so much) while we are at war to set an example to the soldiers.
 
Its called Karl Rove & The Big Lie.

Jumping in late, I know and this from a Libertarian who would prefer 'no taxes'. Bush/Rove is just selling us 'snake oil'. Soda has done a good logically sound post showing how it is not working. Even the 'good' numbers are lower than what one would expect given the length of the recovery (if there really is one). Real wages are lower than they were in the 90's.

I am a dinosaur in my industry where most of the jobs are being done by low-wage kids 11,000 miles away. And Bush's answer is 'retraining'. Who is going to 'retrain' a 56 yo and to do what?
 
Bush is such a coward. He hid from Vietnam and now he is hiding from the mother of a solider who was killed in his unnecessary war. Bush ducks mother of dead soldier
Washington — As the Iraq war continues to produce growing U.S. casualties and shrinking public support, President George W. Bush was forced yesterday to confront the protest of a grieving mother of a soldier killed in the war. But he still won't meet her.

As Cindy Sheehan camped out on a road leading to Mr. Bush's ranch near Crawford, Tex., for the sixth consecutive day, insisting she wants to speak to the President personally, Mr. Bush said he sympathizes with her plight, but rejected her call to pull the troops out of Iraq.

Ms. Sheehan's 24-year-old son, Casey, was killed in an ambush in Sadr City, Baghdad's sprawling Shia neighbourhood, last year, just five days after he arrived in Iraq.

"I begged him not to go," says Ms. Sheehan, 48, who travelled from her home in California to try to speak with Mr. Bush as he spends his summer vacation at his Prairie Chapel Ranch. "I said, 'I'll take you to Canada,' but he said, 'Mom, I have to go. It's my duty. My buddies are going.'

"I don't believe his phony excuses for the war," Ms. Sheehan has said of the President. She said she believes the war is really about oil and making Mr. Bush's friends richer. "I want him to tell me why my son died."

Anti-war activists are converging on Crawford, eager to seize on Ms. Sheehan's newfound notoriety and telegenic appeal to get their message across.....

Yet there was no sign Mr. Bush intends to meet Ms. Sheehan. In fact, there were reports he is travelling solely by helicopter when he leaves the ranch in an effort to avoid racing past the protester in a limousine.

"The President says he feels compassion for me," Ms. Sheehan said, "but the best way to show that compassion is by meeting with me and the other mothers and families who are here.

"All we're asking is that he sacrifice an hour out of his five-week vacation to talk to us before the next mother loses her son in Iraq."

Cal Jillson, a political scientist at Southern Methodist University in Dallas who has studied Mr. Bush's rise, said: "For him, meeting this woman face to face would be blinking. His whole game is to be confident and to appear never to doubt and never to waiver. It's this idea of determination."

And unlike government leaders in a parliamentary system who are challenged directly by their political opponents, Mr. Bush can easily shelter himself from such confrontations.

"He would not trust himself in a face-to-face meeting and neither would his staff. These guys like control," said Prof. Jillson, who added that Ms. Sheehan's protest in itself may not be that significant but it comes at a time when many Americans are reconsidering their views of the Iraq war.

Approval of Mr. Bush's handling of the conflict has dropped to as little as 34 per cent of people surveyed, according to a recent poll conducted for Newsweek magazine.
The coward took a helicopter rather than risk having to talk to Cindy Sheehan.
 
Yet there was no sign Mr. Bush intends to meet Ms. Sheehan. In fact, there were reports he is travelling solely by helicopter when he leaves the ranch in an effort to avoid racing past the protester in a limousine.

We wouldn't want photos of that making it to the press now would we?

How bad would that look for the President, who is on a record setting vacation, to blindly ride by the poor mother of a dead soldier in his comfy limo?

Coward is the best word I can think of.....
 
sodaseller said:
The truly scary thing is that in the 80s, ya'll used rhetoric like that to gain power, but then at least governed as responsible adults in most cases. Now there is no adult supervision in DC - you have a generation of ideologues that have been fed this crap and believe it, and they're running the country into the ground in the process

Ya'll are clueless

Not entirely clueless, that would be why a lot of us like measures that give the government less money to spend. How do you reconcile what you just posted with opposition to tax cuts?
 
Teejay32 said:
Not entirely clueless, that would be why a lot of us like measures that give the government less money to spend. How do you reconcile what you just posted with opposition to tax cuts?

Logic. And the "Starve the Beast" arguments makes no sense. Think of the last line of Gettysburg.
 
sodaseller said:
Logic. And the "Starve the Beast" arguments makes no sense. Think of the last line of Gettysburg.

Just curious. What would you like to see, as the upper end on tax rates?
 
sodaseller said:
Logic. And the "Starve the Beast" arguments makes no sense. Think of the last line of Gettysburg.

Putting it on a diet makes all kinds of sense.
 
bsnyder said:
How much higher?

Can't answer a hypotheical in a vacuum. There are practical economic issues and moral issues. As to the latter, I have no problem with high marginal rate exceeding 50%. And I definitely want to expense options
 
sodaseller said:
Answered above. The 2000 rates are fine. I'm fine even with higher


Of course you are. Let's redistribute the income even more, let's take even more from the people that earn it so we can hand it out to the people that don't.
 
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