Bush sets record-longest vacation in recent history

[What the Heck]

I don't give a crap what your pov of view is and I'm really, really glad you rejoined the discussion so me and the rest of the peanut gallery have a bird's eye view watching you tie yourself in knots sliming a grieving mother who lost her son in Iraq.

Strip away all the political sloganeering, all the letters from the family members, and all the political agendas, and what your left with is a mother who lost her son.

You are doing more to exemplfy the phony moral/family values of the right and the rightie slime machine.

Please, stick around.

If you strip away all of the political agendas, Cindy Sheehan would not be where she is. She has her own political agenda, just because she is a mother who has lost a child doesn't change that. She is not getting "slimed" because she is a "grieving mother who lost her son in Iraq". She is getting responses back because she has made a political statement herself.

I don't claim that the President not giving her some time is a good idea, but - have you visited her website? http://www.gsfp.org/ They are very left wing. They do not want a meeting with the President, they want him impeached. Have you read what they have to say? "War is a crime". Not this war, but all war.

I just want to know one thing. She wants the President out of office. Ok, we had an election, her side lost. Why does her vote count more than mine? Because she lost a child? Because of this she gets her voice heard more than anyone else? Because of this her opinion is more important, no matter what it is? She has created herself as a political target who happens to be a grieving mother, she is not a political target because she is a grieving mother.

She already met with the President last year. She has already met with members of the White House this year. Her 15 minutes of fame expired last week - enough already.

 

[Sirius]

She's not just a grieving mother. She's a war protestor stomping on graves. She's made her inane views very clear already. She just wants to meet with Bush so she can yell and scream at him and get more press for herself. It's all about her.

She's the one doing the sliming.

That's a really nasty thing to say about a woman lost her 24-year-old son to an RPG attack.

 

[rcyannacci]

I don't think Sheehan needs any protection from the right wingers trying to slime her. She's a strong woman, and she knew that would be the case when she took up her cause. These criticisms only further solidify her political power and presence, as does Bush's refusal to see her. Just by taking the time to attack her in a post, many of you have fallen into the agenda she's set. Shame on you if you see yourself as her political opponent. You allowed her to dictate the dialogue.

 

[What the Heck]

That's a really nasty thing to say about a woman lost her 24-year-old son to an RPG attack.

Is it? Visit her website.

She wants to meet with the President - again. Not for the first time, but again. She wants to meet with the President, not with members of his staff. Yet her website doesn't talk about meeting with the President, it talks about impeaching the President. Last night she said on MSNBC that she hopes she doesn't want to meet the President so her protest (not her son's but her protest) could gain more momentum. She has presented herself as a political figure, but we must only treat her with the utmost respect? She surrounds herself with political slogans but she is only there because of her son's memory? No sale.

 

[Professor Mouse]

No one has answered the two key questions that Cindy Sheehan is asking. Lets look the stupid statements made by Bush and the questions asked by Cindy Sheehan. The President's Vacation From Reality

Sheehan's 24-year-old son, Army Specialist Casey A. Sheehan, died on April 4, 2004--almost a year after Bush was dressed up in flight-suit drag to appear before a banner that declared "Mission Accomplished" in Iraq. Sheehan mourned, as any mother would. But then she organized, helping to found Gold Star Families for Peace, an organization of relatives of soldiers killed in Iraq who are demanding an end to the ill-fated occupation of that land and a redirection of US policy to achieve real security--as opposed to neoconservative misadventuring.

On August 3 of this year, Bush addressed the mounting death toll in Iraq with a pair of declarations:

1. "We have to honor the sacrifices of the fallen by completing the mission."
and
2. "The families of the fallen can be assured that they died for a noble cause."​

Sheehan correctly identified Bush's words as "asinine and hurtful." And she headed for Crawford to try and confront the President on the August 6 anniversary of that neglected memorandum on bin Laden's intentions.

Sheehan went to Crawford with a pair of messages for the vacationing president:

1. We want our loved ones sacrifices to be honored by bringing our nation's sons and daughters home from the travesty that is Iraq immediately, since this war is based on horrendous lies and deceptions. Just because our children are dead, why would we want any more families to suffer the same pain and devastation that we are?
and
2. We would like for him to explain this "noble cause" to us and ask him why (presidential daughters) Jenna and Barbara are not in harm's way, if the cause is so noble.​

Sheehan's bottom line, and that of Gold Star Families for Peace, is a blunt truth that the President has failed to consider: that the best way to honor the sacrifices of those who have died in Iraq is to end the occupation and bring the troops home now.

Again, please explain why a mother should not be upset to learned that Bush lied and fixed the facts and intelligence to justify this war. Remember that Bush justified this war based on WMDs and these WMDs were never there. The fact that Bush was stupid enough to make a joke about looking for the missing WMDs under his desk just shows what a joke his reasons for this war was. Finally, if this war is so nobel, then why hasn't his daughters (and some llke one of the posters on this page) signed up to fight in this nobel war.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

That's a really nasty thing to say about a woman lost her 24-year-old son to an RPG attack.

In her role as a mom, she has my deepest sympathy.

In her role as a war protestor, I stand by my statements.

 

[Professor Mouse]

She's not just a grieving mother. She's a war protestor stomping on graves. She's made her inane views very clear already. She just wants to meet with Bush so she can yell and scream at him and get more press for herself. It's all about her.

She's the one doing the sliming.

Joe, if this war is so nobel, why are you hiding from it?

 

[Tigger_Magic]

C'mon...you know the rules. If there's one thing I've learned from you conservative posters is that information that is spouted off the top of your head, or "many other positive factors too numerous to mention" is not legit. I'd like to see hard numbers with research to back them up.

So sorry you completely missed my point. Just to reiterate it: you pointed to trade deficit numbers as an indicator that the economy is in trouble. I simply pointed to other indicators that show the economy is doing well.

I have no problem with free fair trade with China. The problem is the huge imbalance that we are experiencing now. China’s trade surplus with the United States was $162 billion in 2004, a 30.6% increase since 2003 and the United States' largest bilateral deficit, according to the Feds numbers posted Feb. 10th, 2005.

Part of that couldn't be the weak dollar could it? Or the fact that China can produce goods (such as underwear) at incredibly low prices and sell them to us at a tidy profit.

I don't deny that we have a trade deficit and that it is a big problem -- getting bigger every day. However, I don't believe it spells a message of doom for our economy. But then again I am not an economist and never claimed to be one. I just parrot what I hear.

 

[What the Heck]

I don't think Sheehan needs any protection from the right wingers trying to slime her. She's a strong woman, and she knew that would be the case when she took up her cause. These criticisms only further solidify her political power and presence, as does Bush's refusal to see her. Just by taking the time to attack her in a post, many of you have fallen into the agenda she's set. Shame on you if you see yourself as her political opponent. You allowed her to dictate the dialogue.

Has she? I don't agree. If we remain silent, if we give up our right to free speech, then she has won. Then it would be shame on us.

Her dialogue is the government is corrupt, the government is nothing but Nazi racists, Bush is a murderer - shame on the left for allowing her to become their mouthpiece.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

No one has answered the two key questions that Cindy Sheehan is asking. Lets look the stupid statements made by Bush and the questions asked by Cindy Sheehan. The President's Vacation From Reality Again, please explain why a mother should not be upset to learned that Bush lied and fixed the facts and intelligence to justify this war. Remember that Bush justified this war based on WMDs and these WMDs were never there. The fact that Bush was stupid enough to make a joke about looking for the missing WMDs under his desk just shows what a joke his reasons for this war was. Finally, if this war is so nobel, then why hasn't his daughters (and some llke one of the posters on this page) signed up to fight in this nobel war.

BUSH LIED and "fixed" facts. That's your opinion. Should she be upset because she learned of your opinion??

 

[rcyannacci]

Has she? I don't agree. If we remain silent, if we give up our right to free speech, then she has won. Then it would be shame on us.

No one said remain silent. You've allowed her to control the news cycle; as long as she does that, she wins. Many of you have already indicated as much in your comments. You want to win, create a new dialogue.

Her dialogue is the government is corrupt, the government is nothing but Nazi racists, Bush is a murderer - shame on the left for allowing her to become their mouthpiece.

Sheehan speaks for herself and the left has expressed it's support for her right to do so. I believe she's earned that right. And anyone has the power not to listen.

 

[BuckNaked]

She is getting responses back because she has made a political statement herself.

This has been my point ever since learning more about her. She is the one that has politicized this entire incident, yet anyone that answers her politicization with their own is accused of sliming her.

She brought politics into it, so I don't see what is out of line about answering her with politics.

 

[What the Heck]

No one has answered the two key questions that Cindy Sheehan is asking.

Ok, lets look at the questions:

"1. We want our loved ones sacrifices to be honored by bringing our nation's sons and daughters home from the travesty that is Iraq immediately, since this war is based on horrendous lies and deceptions. Just because our children are dead, why would we want any more families to suffer the same pain and devastation that we are?"

Because if we pull the troops out right now, right away, we will be much, much less safe then we are now. Iraq will immediately (within weeks) become a terrorist state with no hope of democracy for the next several decades. The terrorists will realize that alls they have to do to defeat the US is to kill a couple of thousand troops and, hey, they did that on 9/11.

I would ask the further question of her - why would the complete desecration of what your sign died for, by pulling the troops out now, make you feel better? The war may be based on "horrendous lies and deceptions", but that doesn't change that we are there now, that we can't change that fact, and that a complete withdrawel would be a disaster for the US, for Iraq, and for the mideast. Do you think the war would actually stop? No, it would be brought back here.

"2. We would like for him to explain this "noble cause" to us and ask him why (presidential daughters) Jenna and Barbara are not in harm's way, if the cause is so noble."

How is this important? His daughters are not to be afforded the same freedoms as the rest of the country? So the left would have them taken down immediatelyl and forced into the service? Wow, thats not like the Nazi's, is it? Her son made a choice, her son chose to reenlist. Not to just enlist, but to reenlist. But if someone disagrees with her, then they should have their right to choose stripped from them?

 

[Tigger_Magic]

I don't give a crap what your pov of view is and I'm really, really glad you rejoined the discussion so me and the rest of the peanut gallery have a bird's eye view watching you tie yourself in knots sliming a grieving mother who lost her son in Iraq.

Strip away all the political sloganeering, all the letters from the family members, and all the political agendas, and what your left with is a mother who lost her son.

You are doing more to exemplfy the phony moral/family values of the right and the rightie slime machine.

Please, stick around.

The master of the double standard is back! Missed ya -- really, I did!

Believe me, I know all too well what you have in Ms. Sheehan. I also know that there are more constructive ways to deal with grief and loss than abandoning one's family and making it one's most noble life's accomplishment to bring down a President. Ms. Sheehan is turning her loss into something ugly and is seeking to replace that loss with the fleeting satisfaction that comes from public adulation. What she doesn't realize is that this will soon pass and she will be a mother who lost her son, her job, and her family. She is making some sad choices as a result of her loss that may eventually leave her without anything to fall back on.

Your embrace of Ms. Sheehan is as transparent as it is shallow. Because she shares your pov, you defend her. Had she set up a little shack and sign supporting Bush, I am certain you would be ridiculing her... or sliming her to use your term... just as you do other people who don't agree with you.

Since you are now talking to me... where is my pass? You know, the one you "absolutely" give out. Just curious...

 

[Professor Mouse]

BUSH LIED and "fixed" facts. That's your opinion. Should she be upset because she learned of your opinion??

Joe, these are the facts. Where are the WMDs? Under Bush's desk or hiding with your completed application to join the military to fight in this nobel war.

 

[What the Heck]

No one said remain silent. You've allowed her to control the news cycle; as long as she does that, she wins. Many of you have already indicated as much in your comments. You want to win, create a new dialogue.

I don't control the news cycle. She is allowed to control the news cycle whether anyone responds or not. Why don't they investigate her website, show what she is really about? Because she would no longer be newsworthy at that point.

Sheehan speaks for herself and the left has expressed it's support for her right to do so. I believe she's earned that right. And anyone has the power not to listen.

She has earned that right, she earns it just by being an American citizen (seems I heard a certain President saying that as well). But so have I. Yet when I express my opinion I'm accused of "sliming" her because she is a grieving mother. Again, no, she is creating herself as a political icon who happens to be a grieving mother. Huge difference.

 

[chobie]

I don't control the news cycle. She is allowed to control the news cycle whether anyone responds or not. Why don't they investigate her website, show what she is really about? Because she would no longer be newsworthy at that point.


She has earned that right, she earns it just by being an American citizen (seems I heard a certain President saying that as well). But so have I. Yet when I express my opinion I'm accused of "sliming" her because she is a grieving mother. Again, no, she is creating herself as a political icon who happens to be a grieving mother. Huge difference.

No. She is becoming a politcal icon because she is a grieving mother who will not remain silent.

 

[chobie]

That's a really nasty thing to say about a woman lost her 24-year-old son to an RPG attack.

Yes it is. I wonder WWJD?

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Joe, these are the facts. Where are the WMDs? Under Bush's desk or hiding with your completed application to join the military to fight in this nobel war.

Just because we have not found WMD's does not make your BUSH LIED opinion (and your related opinions) a fact. No matter how many times you say it.

 

[peachgirl]

The right would love to portray Cindy Sheehan as a lone nut case backed only by left wing extremists, but there are many other military families who are joining her cause. She's not alone and the list is growing. This is not good news for Bu$h...

On Saturday, August 13 at 12 Noon - Families who have loved ones serving in Iraq and families whose loved ones have been killed in Iraq join other supporters at a rally near Tonkawa Falls in Crawford Texas. The Rally will feature speakers from Military Families Speak Out, Gold Star Families for Peace, Iraq Veterans Against the War and Veterans for Peace who have traveled across the country from Alabama, Arkansas, California, Georgia, Massachusetts, Missouri, New Jersey, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Washington and elsewhere. Military Families, Iraq War and other Veterans, and peace activists will carry their message to the vacationing President: Honor our fallen and honor our loved ones’ service by ending the occupation, bringing the troops home now and taking care of them when they get here.