Busdriver Attacked By Guest

because you said you were in the drdes camp and he is obviously supporting this man and his disgusting actions

I said I was in his "camp" to a "large degree." As he has now kicked me out of that camp ( ;) ), I'll make clear that I was in that portion of his camp in which he's trying to get many of you to chill out without knowing all of the facts and after having only seen the second half of an incident on video. That doesn't strike me as a terribly controversial position to take.
 
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here we go I was waiting for the race card to be thrown out there!!! No one in this thread has said anything negative about his race the only thing they are talking about his disgusting behavior. So should we give him a pass because he is middle eastern and it obviously not PC to call any him out even though his behavior was applying because it secretly means we are all racist?

i guess if racism didnt exist there wouldnt be a race card to play.

in any case, i am not palying the race card - his appearance has been mentioned by many posters on this thread
 
you must have missed this

i didnt miss it - i just have no proof that it is credible - its a post on a thread - thats really good evidence - are the OCSO relying on it?

by the way the earth is flat - i was there and i saw it - please post this on another forum and treat is at fact
 
I'm guessing this thread is going to be locked pretty soon, since someone is playing the persecuted race card.

Don't know about the baby, don't care, really.
Disney bus drivers, like most Disney employees, deal with that kind of behavior on a daily basis. If that bus driver had suddenly snapped, considering he's about twice the size as the other guy, he could easily have punched the daylights out of him in a nice Ronnie fashion :)

Strangers on the bus are screaming for security, but the wife whose husband is supposedly being attacked just stands there holding her stuff and doesn't say a word.
 

you must have missed this

Er, OK. Where does it say anything about a baby being thrown or him even being charged for throwing the baby? If he threw his baby, I don't think the felony child neglect/endangerment charges would be merely "possible further charges." And they would be child *abuse* charges (different from neglect/endangerment).

I would think that if the baby throwing (clearly a disgusting act) was on tape, it would have been mentioned in that report (and perhaps made wider news).
 
only a mattwer of time before the disney security video appears on youtuber - hopefully then we will have more to form an informed view
 
Er, OK. Where does it say anything about a baby being thrown or him even being charged for throwing the baby? If he threw his baby, I don't think the felony child neglect/endangerment charges would be merely "possible further charges."

I would think that if the baby throwing (clearly a disgusting act) was on tape, it would have been mentioned in that report (and perhaps made wider news).

I am not talking about the baby throwing but more that the guy was obviously in the wrong with his attack and was not provoked. LAlso that Disney has the entire thing on tape which was enough to have him arrested. So we are not jumping to conclusions persecuting the man because he obviously was in the wrong if Disney removed him from the parks and his resort and the police arrested him.
 
Er, OK. Where does it say anything about a baby being thrown or him even being charged for throwing the baby? If he threw his baby, I don't think the felony child neglect/endangerment charges would be merely "possible further charges." And they would be child *abuse* charges (different from neglect/endangerment).

I would think that if the baby throwing (clearly a disgusting act) was on tape, it would have been mentioned in that report (and perhaps made wider news).

so on what basis are people accusing this guy of throwing his baby? rumours and conjecture i tell you
 
maybe she is scared of him was thinking this is her chance do get away from him

ANd not take your kid? In the video, she at one point was holding the kid, then hand the kid over and hide? If I am going to run, I 'm gong to run with my kid and keep going.

drdres:
Yes, it does show bus driver pushing the man then the man going for the throat. However, if someone tries to pitch their kid at me, I am not exactly going to be give him big a ol hug. It's hard to hear things that they were saying as the youtube girl was talking in the background.

As for people not being bothered: Have you ever seen "What would you do"? do you know how many people will watch and not get involved? At the beginning of the clip, you hear a woman scream and people yelling for security, so obviously some people were bothered enough.
 
Throwing a baby, not throwing a baby, throttling the driver, not throttling the driver, there is NO excuse for that kind of behavior..

I've seen toddlers act more appropiately..:sad2:
 
ANd not take your kid? In the video, she at one point was holding the kid, then hand the kid over and hide? If I am going to run, I 'm gong to run with my kid and keep going.

drdres:
Yes, it does show bus driver pushing the man then the man going for the throat. However, if someone tries to pitch their kid at me, I am not exactly going to be give him big a ol hug. It's hard to hear things that they were saying as the youtube girl was talking in the background.

As for people not being bothered: Have you ever seen "What would you do"? do you know how many people will watch and not get involved? At the beginning of the clip, you hear a woman scream and people yelling for security, so obviously some people were bothered enough.

talking to brick wall here (not anyone personally but just generally) - we have seen no evidence of baby throwing - so how can you pre suppose the reaction of someone to an event which you havent seen and dont even know if it happened?

If we saw 10 seconds prior to the video and saw the father throw the baby (3 pointer style, lets say), I would agree with most of the posters here (although I would owe no aplogy because until we see that WE JUST DONT KNOW)
 
talking to brick wall here (not anyone personally but just generally) - we have seen no evidence of baby throwing - so how can you pre suppose the reaction of someone to an event which you havent seen and dont even know if it happened?

If we saw 10 seconds prior to the video and saw the father throw the baby (3 pointer style, lets say), I would agree with most of the posters here (although I would owe no aplogy because until we see that WE JUST DONT KNOW)

There is highly questionable hearsay evidence from the camera operator that "he, like, threw the baby."
 
I'm an airline pilot and he's lucky he didn't try that on an airliner. Best case scenerio for him is he would be charged federally...worse case..we can carry guns (fill in the blank).
 
talking to brick wall here (not anyone personally but just generally) - we have seen no evidence of baby throwing - so how can you pre suppose the reaction of someone to an event which you havent seen and dont even know if it happened?

If we saw 10 seconds prior to the video and saw the father throw the baby (3 pointer style, lets say), I would agree with most of the posters here (although I would owe no aplogy because until we see that WE JUST DONT KNOW)


Bless your heart- however: you need to listen when the youtube girl says what the man did previous to starting her video. Also, Security camera footage enough evidence to warrant possible charges for child neglect and endangerment-now if he didnt and the baby was just chillin, how do you supposed they could come up with those possible charges? Just sayin.

The man could have been holding the child then kind of put the child forward at his arms length at the driver to shield himself. using the child as a shield.
 
Because the security personnel is typically trained to step in only when needed. I assure you that person was within several feet of the bus driver with an eye on the situation (and perhaps a finger on whatever might have been in his pocket...pepper spray, most likely).

Everything you've said I agree with, except for the pepper spray thing. Only reason I bring it up is that people read about pepper spray on an internet forum, run out and buy one, and then have no idea how to use them.

Pepper spray in an enclosed crowded space with children would have to be a last ditch effort when there is no other choice. Even then it can make a situation worse, so it's likely to remain in the pocket. Consider them "area weapons" as you'll potentially affect anyone in the sprayed area. If the bus' ventilation system is active...

As SSR said, I'm sure that the UC was vigilant and ready to react, but it would have been to get the guy off the bus, or put him on the floor if necessary. Imagine how difficult that is in an already narrow and cramped space like a bus stairwell / aisle. If there were more people in there being "the man", it would complicate things. Usually when "the men" and "the women" are not jumping into a situation, they are actually evaluating many different factors in their head, like protecting "their family" from the situation unraveling in front of them.

The only "failure", if you can call it that, is the lack of security responders in the immediate area of that loading zone, as the "bus operations" person said. If there is a crowd, there should be a couple of uniforms in the immediate area. Maybe they were busy on other calls, but there should be a surplus of uniforms to respond to multiple incidents, and cover the unmanned posts. Uniforms go a long way toward diffusing situations, and unless WDW relies on UC's breaking cover during a shortage, this was a potentially bad situation. The UC's don't seem to like breaking cover.

IMO, the UC should have ID'd himself and diffused this right away. There is no sensitive nature about "their cover"; this is an amusement park not a narcotics squad infiltrating underworld gangs. Most of the people who saw this online and in the park will forget the UC's face right away. Anyone who has a worse motive for remembering the UC's face, well WDW has worse things to worry about at that point as they're planning something that no amount of cover will help.

I'm also not crazy about the supervisor taking the driver off the bus without instructing the passenger off the bus as well. I hope the driver secured the bus and removed the key by this point. Stressful situations always change the ways that things are handled, and not everyone responds perfectly.

I have family driving buses and this reminds me of statements they have made about the risks involved, the risks that the management puts them in, and the lack of procedure and preparation that they are given for these situations. Frankly, if I were the driver, and I was choked, I would have immobilized the guy and worried about it later, because I'm not getting choked a second time. I think this driver did that because the idiot calmed down a bit when he realized he almost got his trachea crushed for trying to choke the driver.

As for the "buses being bad" my experience is that the passengers are usually the problem, and this is why I avoid them. After commuting for many years, I have had to resist the urge to drop many a fellow commuter for being a wise-guy, etc... because between the driver's frustrations and my blood pressure going up, it's just not a good situation. Most of the time it's fine to let the moron fizz out and act like a putz for a few minutes... it's like feeding trolls, you tell them to shut up and it fires them up some more. The other 47 people on the bus know he's a moron, you don't need to tell him to shut up.
 
I'm an airline pilot and he's lucky he didn't try that on an airliner. Best case scenerio for him is he would be charged federally...worse case..we can carry guns (fill in the blank).

Do you have any knowledge if the Disney buses are covered under federal statutes?
 


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