Bubble machines in the parks

[CaryHaven]

Oh absolutely its not a prescription, but it is the alternative given and yet taken away. I suggest people read about peanut allergies, although its a serious ailment, its most certainly containable without having to have this debate. There are solutions that can satisfy both sides, people just choose not to persue because its just more simpler to do away with it all.

to every one of your posts. You know what offends me? Cursing in front of kids. Yet it happens, even in Disney World. We remove ourselves. If we are in a line or somewhere we can't remove ourselves, we ask politely for the person to please stop around our children. It's never escalated beyond that. If anybody - especially another child - had a reaction to bubbles, by all means, let me know. I'll be happy to move or stop. We don't do bubbles in line just because we're talking about the ride or what-not, but if we were around someone blowing bubbles, it would just be free entertainment for my kids so I totally wouldn't have a problem - even with my glasses and expensive camera. I don't think even a bubble gun would shoot them out so fast and vehemently that I couldn't shield/cover my camera. Not that I think it would have any effect on it.

 

[Love Tink]

Kids these days are so used to instant gratification and constant entertainment it's sad. I've seen toddlers playing with phones and iPod touch in line in stores. No wonder these kids need constant entertainment. When my son was an infant and we were online I made faces at him and played with him. Now parents hand their kid one gadget while they play with another.

These cranky "You kids got off my lawn" type posts pop up on threads about a lot of topics. They always make me laugh.

Do you know why we didn't "need" gadgets to entertain us when we were kids? It wasn't because we were such a different strain of human being, and had preternatural patience...or because our parents were better parents than those you see "nowadays."

It was because those gadgets didn't exist.

People used to beat their laundry against rocks and churn butter at home, too. Stuff changes.

 

[ratlenhum]

These cranky "You kids got off my lawn" type posts pop up on threads about a lot of topics. They always make me laugh.

Do you know why we didn't "need" gadgets to entertain us when we were kids? It wasn't because we were such a different strain of human being, and had preternatural patience...or because our parents were better parents than those you see "nowadays."

It was because those gadgets didn't exist.

People used to beat their laundry against rocks and churn butter at home, too. Stuff changes.

Yeah I agree. But do people really spend all that money on a family vacation to stand there and watch their kids play with electronic gadgets? How hard is it to enjoy the sights and talk to your kids, things that there seems to be so little time for at home in every day life?

We have a local pro baseball team in a small independent league. We go to a lot of games. All around us are kids playing with iPhones or Nintendo DS. I don't get it. things like this are a great time to "unplug" and really spend time with your kids. Maybe it's just me

 

[ttintagel]

Yeah I agree. But do people really spend all that money on a family vacation to stand there and watch their kids play with electronic gadgets? How hard is it to enjoy the sights and talk to your kids, things that there seems to be so little time for at home in every day life?

We have a local pro baseball team in a small independent league. We go to a lot of games. All around us are kids playing with iPhones or Nintendo DS. I don't get it. things like this are a great time to "unplug" and really spend time with your kids. Maybe it's just me

Yeah, I just don't get the point. You can stay home and play games for free. Why spend all that time and money to come to a place where billions of dollars have been spent to hire the best people in the industry to build surroundings designed engage and please your eyes, and not look at them? Why take time off work, school, or other home activities to be together for two weeks and then ignore each other?

 

[sookie]

Ok So magpie, I pose this question to you..
there are times my daughter cannot have what's being served for lunch in the cafeteria, her only other option is a sunflower butter sandwich (yes sunflower butter) that they offer.. She is disgusted by sunflower butter..but her dr says to give her a peanut butter (minus jelly) sandwich to keep her carb count up. So what should she do? not eat because ONE child out of 300 or so can't eat peanuts? Let's go a step further.. Now my diabetic child hasn't eaten lunch, she goes into a dangerously low blood sugar. Now for not endangering one child they now endanger mine. Now, you can say it's not the school's fault the child won't eat sunflower butter, well it's not my child's fault, little peter can't be around peanuts. why should she suffer for that?

Why are you not planning ahead for your daughters meals so she will be "happy" with them?

Rates are about 2-3% of the population are nut allergic. That would mean about 9 kids at risk to die every single day, every single meal instead of your child that has a choice. Unfortunately, if 300 children are spreading peanut oil around the school room - it can be difficult for those 9 children to actually be safe from an anaphylactic attack. Your 1 child could take her lunch on the days she decides to be picky. The other children can't avoid peanut allergens even if they bring their own meals every day if all the other children are eating PB & J as well.

 

[MrsJ Henry]

to every one of your posts. You know what offends me? Cursing in front of kids. Yet it happens, even in Disney World. We remove ourselves. If we are in a line or somewhere we can't remove ourselves, we ask politely for the person to please stop around our children. It's never escalated beyond that. If anybody - especially another child - had a reaction to bubbles, by all means, let me know. I'll be happy to move or stop. We don't do bubbles in line just because we're talking about the ride or what-not, but if we were around someone blowing bubbles, it would just be free entertainment for my kids so I totally wouldn't have a problem - even with my glasses and expensive camera. I don't think even a bubble gun would shoot them out so fast and vehemently that I couldn't shield/cover my camera. Not that I think it would have any effect on it.

 

[BayouMickey]

Why are you not planning ahead for your daughters meals so she will be "happy" with them?

Rates are about 2-3% of the population are nut allergic. That would mean about 9 kids at risk to die every single day, every single meal instead of your child that has a choice. Unfortunately, if 300 children are spreading peanut oil around the school room - it can be difficult for those 9 children to actually be safe from an anaphylactic attack. Your 1 child could take her lunch on the days she decides to be picky. The other children can't avoid peanut allergens even if they bring their own meals every day if all the other children are eating PB & J as well.

I do. I've said it many times lol. Thiis was a scenario..
In our school of about 300-400 students. We have ONE child with a peanut allergy. I was notified this before school started so I can plan my daughter's snacks accordingly ( she has to eat snacks throughout the day to maintain a good carb ratio for her meter to bolus correctly). Well let me tell you what a pita that is to do.
1. it has to be readily available, so it has to be something that can't spoil which means no fresh vegetables.
2. It can't be high in sugar.. we're looking for carbohydrates no simple sugars so no candy
Well the perfect thing for that is granola bars.. most (and I bold most so we don't get the smarty "not all granola bars" reply) has peanut product in them. Well we say, "what's the next best thing? Ah! breakfast bars!" .... nope too much sugars with make her run high in a matter of 5 min.
It's not an impossible task by no means but it's alot of work put on us for something that doesn't affect us.. All of this for ONE child in our school. As I said many times throughout this thread I'm not insensitive to this, I'm just saying their are compromises that can be made so everyone can prosper.

 

[jo-jo]

Bubbles - bring a tiny bottle like you get at a wedding. You don't need a
million bubbles blowing all over the place.


Peanut butter - Disney sells peanut butter sandwiches in kid's meals all over the place. Don't see them stopping for anyone.

 

[okeydokey]

Ok So magpie, I pose this question to you..
there are times my daughter cannot have what's being served for lunch in the cafeteria, her only other option is a sunflower butter sandwich (yes sunflower butter) that they offer.. She is disgusted by sunflower butter..but her dr says to give her a peanut butter (minus jelly) sandwich to keep her carb count up. So what should she do? not eat because ONE child out of 300 or so can't eat peanuts? Let's go a step further.. Now my diabetic child hasn't eaten lunch, she goes into a dangerously low blood sugar. Now for not endangering one child they now endanger mine. Now, you can say it's not the school's fault the child won't eat sunflower butter, well it's not my child's fault, little peter can't be around peanuts. why should she suffer for that?

If my child was diabetic and couldn't eat the lunch the school provided, I would send them with a packed lunch full of things they could eat. If peanuts were prohibited so her classmate wouldn't die, then I wouldn't pack peanuts.

 

[BayouMickey]

If my child was diabetic and couldn't eat the lunch the school provided, I would send them with a packed lunch full of things they could eat. If peanuts were prohibited so her classmate wouldn't die, then I wouldn't pack peanuts.

The child is not her classmate, and in a different grade with a different lunch period. They virtually never interact. There's no threat.

 

[RedHeadedFairy]

The child is not her classmate, and in a different grade with a different lunch period. They virtually never interact. There's no threat.

I'm not taking sides in the debate but I have to point out that this is untrue - my DD had a child in her school that was so highly allergic that he went into anaphylactic shock in literally seconds flat because he picked up a piece of cereal off the floor that had been missed in the previous period's cleanup & it happened to be PB Capt'n Crunch.

He didn't eat it mind you, he touched it. It was one of the scariest things I had EVER seen & it really made me understand how exposed these kids really are.

While your child may not have direct contact with an allergic child, if they use the same table at lunch & the surface (or underside, as kids touch everything) is contaminated that poses a huge risk. THANK GOD the teacher was extremely competant with a crisis & knew how to administer his Epi.

 

[DebbieB]

I read where a peanut allergic child died at school. A classmate had peanut butter at home and didn't wash his hands before going to school. They were young, the child then touched some toys and then the allergic child touched the toy and he went into shock and died.

 

[mjkacmom]

1. it has to be readily available, so it has to be something that can't spoil which means no fresh vegetables.
2. It can't be high in sugar.. we're looking for carbohydrates no simple sugars so no candy
Well the perfect thing for that is granola bars.. most (and I bold most so we don't get the smarty "not all granola bars" reply) has peanut product in them. Well we say, "what's the next best thing? Ah! breakfast bars!" .... nope too much sugars with make her run high in a matter of 5 min.
It's not an impossible task by no means but it's alot of work put on us for something that doesn't affect us.. All of this for ONE child in our school. As I said many times throughout this thread I'm not insensitive to this, I'm just saying their are compromises that can be made so everyone can prosper.

So find a granola bar that she likes, that doesn't contain peanuts, and send it in everyday. It's not rocket science. My dd has celiac, and yes, many bars contain gluten. However, I've found several that do not, and buy them. It's not a lot of work.

I have a nephew who is VERY allergic to eggs - can't even touch them, cooked or raw. He is about to undergo a very controversial trial at his allergist, to try to build up resistance. The reason is, eggs are everywhere, and they don't want him to encounter them outside the home some day. Even his school cafeteria makes eggs now (he eats alone in his classroom).

 

[Granny square]

My point being, everyone else shouldn't have to take your precautions. As it is my poor children cant bring peanut butter sandwiches to eat at school because someone may have a peanut allergy. Consideration can only go so far until it becomes inconsiderate to everyone else. I feel for your daughter, honestly I do. But I also feel for my children for having to give up their liberties for your child. And before you judge me, my daughter is a diabetic since she was two.. do I go to school or restaurant and say you can't serve anything with sugar in it cause it can kill my child? No, I take it upon myself to make sure she doesn't eat something she can't eat

Diabetic in my house also. It is easy to deal with insulin levels. If my child touches sugar he won't go into shock and die.

So absolutely different.

 

[BayouMickey]

So find a granola bar that she likes, that doesn't contain peanuts, and send it in everyday. It's not rocket science. My dd has celiac, and yes, many bars contain gluten. However, I've found several that do not, and buy them. It's not a lot of work.

I have a nephew who is VERY allergic to eggs - can't even touch them, cooked or raw. He is about to undergo a very controversial trial at his allergist, to try to build up resistance. The reason is, eggs are everywhere, and they don't want him to encounter them outside the home some day. Even his school cafeteria makes eggs now (he eats alone in his classroom).

And that's what we do, understand, I'm not saying I'm in Dire straits by any margin, my point being is wouldn't it have been more prudent to have the allergic child (remember we talking one child vs hundreds in our particular school) in a safe isolated area for lunch? Harvard studies have shown when it comes to airborne risks for peanut allergens, it's a null threat. But that doesn't diminish the severity of the initial allergy.

Diabetic in my house also. It is easy to deal with insulin levels. If my child touches sugar he won't go into shock and die.

So absolutely different.

no my child won't die from touching sugar, but she's what her doctor deems Insulin dependent/insulin resistant. So unlike most diabetics it's a little more complicated to regiment.. But that's no one else's problem but ours so i digress. external exposure to peanuts such as touch does not kill a person.. ingestion is the cause of deaths.

 

[Granny square]

Mine too. :/ diagnose at 14 though.

I just see the comparison differently. Say someone didn't care about your daughter and her issue and lied or intentionally fed her something that sent her reeling. :/

We need to care about others in my opinion. Not depend on it, but as people care enough to give a little.

Eta: I also adore people who go out of their way to make special things just for him. They win my heart forever.

 

[BayouMickey]

Mine too. :/ diagnose at 14 though.

I just see the comparison differently. Say someone didn't care about your daughter and her issue and lied or intentionally fed her something that sent her reeling. :/

We need to care about others in my opinion. Not depend on it, but as people care enough to give a little.

Granny I'm not saying we shouldn't care for other people.. not at all!
Only thing I'm saying is there's other ways to handle the situation than taking away from everyone else. My point is more about the extreme precautions.

 

[LilyWDW]

no my child won't die from touching sugar, but she's what her doctor deems Insulin dependent/insulin resistant. So unlike most diabetics it's a little more complicated to regiment.. But that's no one else's problem but ours so i digress. external exposure to peanuts such as touch does not kill a person.. ingestion is the cause of deaths.

However, it does not take much residue to cause a sever reaction when you are talking about peanuts. Only a trace amount has to be ingested to cause Anaphylaxis. So, residue left on the table or a toy CAN lead to death if the child then gets that residue on their "safe" food or put their hands in their mouth or rub their eyes. So, it is very VERY different then your child's diabetic condition.

That said, I will say that there has been more research that is starting to say that banning foods in schools is not really doing much. Instead, it is leading to a false sense of security and might (note I said MIGHT) be causing the increase in the allergy itself.

I still stand by my belief when it comes to bubbles in lines though. Use them in areas where people CAN move away from them if they so wish. It is not the bubbles that are the issue in MY opinion. It is the idea that you shouldn't do something that could negatively impact those around you and that doing so is rude. I also would not be happy if someone sprayed perfume in the middle of a line or squirted a water gun around.

 

[Granny square]

Granny I'm not saying we shouldn't care for other people.. not at all!
Only thing I'm saying is there's other ways to handle the situation than taking away from everyone else. My point is more about the extreme precautions.

I see. I just think extreme is called for sometimes and giving up something non necessary isn't a big deal.

 

[jo-jo]

I also would not be happy if someone sprayed perfume in the middle of a line or squirted a water gun around.

I also feel that way when people start spraying their kids with sunblock. The mist goes everywhere.