British tourists 20% down on last year!

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Caught the end of a holiday programme on BBC & they mentioned that year to date british tourists to Florida are 20% down on last year.I'm sure I read somewhere that outside of the US we are the biggest %age of visitors,so 20% must be hitting them hard!Apparently a few of the big operators are drooping their prices to get some more bookings,no benifit to those of us already booked of course!! On a different note petrol $3 a gallon-what happened to $1.17 ?????????
SD :firefight
 
Must have been a long day .....drooping,I wonder if that's the same as dropping! :rotfl: :firefight
 
Shooby doo said:
Caught the end of a holiday programme on BBC & they mentioned that year to date british tourists to Florida are 20% down on last year.I'm sure I read somewhere that outside of the US we are the biggest %age of visitors,so 20% must be hitting them hard!Apparently a few of the big operators are drooping their prices to get some more bookings,no benifit to those of us already booked of course!! On a different note petrol $3 a gallon-what happened to $1.17 ?????????
SD :firefight


the vast majority of visitors to florida are from the US, so i wouldn't think that a drop in UK visitors would be all that devastating. However the increase in US petrol prices could well hit them hard since a large number of WDW visitors drive in from the neighboring southern states (and some even drive far greater distances). There is a point at which the petrol price becomes too high for the good old American road trip. However, i don't know if that has been reached as yet.

By the way, while it's possible that visitors from the UK are indeed the largest group from outside the US to Florida, WDW also sees huge numbers of visitors from South America (specifically Brazil and Argentina). Come in July, taco month, as it's not so affectionately referred to by WDW CMs.
 
Is this once again a drop in the number of people not taking their children out of school? I can't wait til my DD leaves school so I can take advantage of the apparently cheap prices. Check out the prices for August 2007!


Susan
 

disneyholic family said:
the vast majority of visitors to florida are from the US, so i wouldn't think that a drop in UK visitors would be all that devastating. However the increase in US petrol prices could well hit them hard since a large number of WDW visitors drive in from the neighboring southern states (and some even drive far greater distances). There is a point at which the petrol price becomes too high for the good old American road trip. However, i don't know if that has been reached as yet.

By the way, while it's possible that visitors from the UK are indeed the largest group from outside the US to Florida, WDW also sees huge numbers of visitors from South America (specifically Brazil and Argentina). Come in July, taco month, as it's not so affectionately referred to by WDW CMs.

I would also imagine Canadians are high up on the list...at least...everyone i know seems to have just returned, or is in the planning stages of a trip.
 
This seems to be the media story of the month - and is complete b****** (as usual). The facts - tour operator First Choice reported a 20% drop in their bookings for this summer and, because they have invested massively in new planes for their long-haul programme (which are actually very good but haven't succeeded in bring in new business), someone there decided to cover their a*** by putting out the story that the whole of Florida is down 20% this year. Yet the likes of TCD and Virgin are seeing the same bookings as last year (if not a slight increase overall), while there are an increasing number of people travelling independently (which also hurts the middle-range operators like First Choice and Airtours/MyTravel). Florida is still the largest long-haul destination for the UK by a distance. If bookings as a whole were down 20% (which would be around 300,000 people) it would be pretty disastrous for the UK tour operator business, and parts of Florida that DO rely on UK tourism (it would be the equivalent of Airtours, Thomson and First Choice losing their TOTAL Orlando business). So, these numbers are complete nonsense and (yet again) the media is jumping on a bandwagon that has no basis in fact.

As regards the importance of the UK market to Florida, while we make up less than 5% of the total visitors numbers, we stay for far LONGER and spend a lot more money (mainly on shopping :teeth: ). The average US visitor stays for around 5 days; the average Brit for 12.5 days; that means we are more than twice as important in pure number terms (probably around 10% of the total tourist business). We are also concentrated in fewer areas, i.e. Orlando and the St Pete's-Clearwater areas, hence our economic impact is even greater in those areas. Some attractions like Discovery Cove have up to 40% UK visitors at times, so a drop of 20% this year would have those places jumping up and down in anguish. The fact they aren't also shows these so-called stories are wrong.

Also, we are significantly the largest overseas visitors to Orlando; the figures for 2005 show Orlando had 48million visitors, of which 2.7million were international. Of the international market, the UK accounts for 41% of it (around 1.1m); Canada 24%; Germany 3%; Brazil 3%; Colombia 3%; Japan 2%; Venezuela 2%; rest of world (inc Europe) 22%.

Sadly for Orlando, the South American market has collapsed since the late 90s, partly through 9/11 (and geater security measures which make it much harder for Brazilians to get tourist visas) and partly through major downturns in economies like Brazil's. There are still significant numbers of Brazilians (and Venezuelans and Colombians) in town in July (practically the only month they visit!), but they are about half of what they used to be.

So, it is certainly a very complicated and mixed message (with factors like the hurricanes of 2004 persuading some people to avoid the summer in favour of other times, like Easter, which has become an absolute boom time in Orlando), but for the BBC (and others) to issue these blanket stories without consulting any of the main sources (and mis-quoting the ones they do use, if anyone saw the Daily Telegraph story in early April which started this trend), is just pure BS. It is lazy journalism at best and, at worst, is another example of how our media serves up pure junk (and I say that as a disgruntled ex-member of the UK media!!).

The bottom line? Florida (and Orlando) are still doing very nicely from the UK market, and our visitor numbers this year (from current stats) are likely to be around 1.5million for the state as a whole and 1.18m for Orlando. Does that seem like a 20% drop to anyone..........?
 
Shooby doo said:
Caught the end of a holiday programme on BBC & they mentioned that year to date british tourists to Florida are 20% down on last year.I'm sure I read somewhere that outside of the US we are the biggest %age of visitors,so 20% must be hitting them hard!Apparently a few of the big operators are drooping their prices to get some more bookings,no benifit to those of us already booked of course!! On a different note petrol $3 a gallon-what happened to $1.17 ?????????
SD :firefight
IMO I do not think this is necessarily true, we have just come back from a 2 week holiday and the parks were more crowded than normal and lots of Brit voices heard all the time. I think that what is now happening, as we now do, is that a lot more people are booking their own itineries via the internet and not dealing direct with the high street travel agents hence the drop in sales, our Virgin flights were completely booked as is our flights with BA in November.
I not too sure what your comment on fuel relates to but as far as I have been aware we have paid more than $1.17 for more than 3 years now and the current price has dropped back to about $2.75
 
Simon - thank you for that post! Very informative and it is good to see the real picture without spin!
 
There was a discussion on Talksport a few weeks ago on this subject, and the radio host said it was all down to the intrusion at US immigration. Cue people ringing in with stories of 3-5hr waits to get through the airport. Most of the people ringing up to complain said it was a nightmare, but little was made of the fact that they all had discrepancies on their visas, ranging from outstaying their welcome on previous visits to unpaid speeding tickets. They all said they wouldn't be returning. I can't speak for everyone else, but I always find MCO pretty easy to get through, even from the back of the queue. I also comment on how I wish UK airports were as thorough as their US counterparts.
 
SimonV said:
This seems to be the media story of the month - and is complete b****** (as usual). The facts - tour operator First Choice reported a 20% drop in their bookings for this summer and, because they have invested massively in new planes for their long-haul programme (which are actually very good but haven't succeeded in bring in new business), someone there decided to cover their a*** by putting out the story that the whole of Florida is down 20% this year. Yet the likes of TCD and Virgin are seeing the same bookings as last year (if not a slight increase overall), while there are an increasing number of people travelling independently (which also hurts the middle-range operators like First Choice and Airtours/MyTravel). Florida is still the largest long-haul destination for the UK by a distance. If bookings as a whole were down 20% (which would be around 300,000 people) it would be pretty disastrous for the UK tour operator business, and parts of Florida that DO rely on UK tourism (it would be the equivalent of Airtours, Thomson and First Choice losing their TOTAL Orlando business). So, these numbers are complete nonsense and (yet again) the media is jumping on a bandwagon that has no basis in fact.

As regards the importance of the UK market to Florida, while we make up less than 5% of the total visitors numbers, we stay for far LONGER and spend a lot more money (mainly on shopping :teeth: ). The average US visitor stays for around 5 days; the average Brit for 12.5 days; that means we are more than twice as important in pure number terms (probably around 10% of the total tourist business). We are also concentrated in fewer areas, i.e. Orlando and the St Pete's-Clearwater areas, hence our economic impact is even greater in those areas. Some attractions like Discovery Cove have up to 40% UK visitors at times, so a drop of 20% this year would have those places jumping up and down in anguish. The fact they aren't also shows these so-called stories are wrong.

Also, we are significantly the largest overseas visitors to Orlando; the figures for 2005 show Orlando had 48million visitors, of which 2.7million were international. Of the international market, the UK accounts for 41% of it (around 1.1m); Canada 24%; Germany 3%; Brazil 3%; Colombia 3%; Japan 2%; Venezuela 2%; rest of world (inc Europe) 22%.

Sadly for Orlando, the South American market has collapsed since the late 90s, partly through 9/11 (and geater security measures which make it much harder for Brazilians to get tourist visas) and partly through major downturns in economies like Brazil's. There are still significant numbers of Brazilians (and Venezuelans and Colombians) in town in July (practically the only month they visit!), but they are about half of what they used to be.

So, it is certainly a very complicated and mixed message (with factors like the hurricanes of 2004 persuading some people to avoid the summer in favour of other times, like Easter, which has become an absolute boom time in Orlando), but for the BBC (and others) to issue these blanket stories without consulting any of the main sources (and mis-quoting the ones they do use, if anyone saw the Daily Telegraph story in early April which started this trend), is just pure BS. It is lazy journalism at best and, at worst, is another example of how our media serves up pure junk (and I say that as a disgruntled ex-member of the UK media!!).

The bottom line? Florida (and Orlando) are still doing very nicely from the UK market, and our visitor numbers this year (from current stats) are likely to be around 1.5million for the state as a whole and 1.18m for Orlando. Does that seem like a 20% drop to anyone..........?
:rotfl2: I read the first few posts on this thread and was flexing my digits ready to post, "Where's Simon when you need him?" Thanks for putting this into perspective (and not letting me down! ;) ).
 
Simon Calder, the travel expert, said yesterday that statistics UK show that figures are actually UP for Florida this year and it will be all but impossible to get a late deal.
 
SimonV said:
the figures for 2005 show Orlando had 48million visitors, of which 2.7million were international. Of the international market, the UK accounts for 41% of it (around 1.1m); Canada 24%; Germany 3%; Brazil 3%; Colombia 3%; Japan 2%; Venezuela 2%; rest of world (inc Europe) 22%.

so international visitors make up 5.6% of the total visitors to Orlando.
and UK visitors 2.3% of the total.

so if UK visitors were to drop by 20%, it would not exactly be devastating.
It would drop the total by about 1/2 a percent. Drops are never good, but this doesn't exactly fall into the category of devastating.
 
Beth, I also pointed out that our pure numbers are more concentrated in some areas (like Discovery Cove and other parts of Orlando), and are also more significant because we stay longer and spend more. A 20% drop in UK visitors to Florida would be devastating in some areas. Please don't take my facts and distort or misrepresent them. Your statement about the Latin influence and 'taco month' was far more misleading (when Brazilian visitors are down to less than 100,000 a year), and also quite insulting to the Latin community.
 
I'm not surprised First choice bookings are down, have you seen the price they want for their holidays in 2007. They quopted me £2800 for flight only for 2 adults and 2 kids.
 
I would like to back up SimonV I may not be a travel writer but these figures make intresting reading.

The average domestic visitor will spend an average of $132.90 per person per a day in 2004, sending an average of 5.3 nights, so if we assume 2 adults and 1 child this gives an average revenue of $2113.11. The average UK visitor stayed 12 nights, and spent in 2003 (so a year before and lower than later years, but I don’t have time to find a more up to date figure) $210 per person per day. This means the same family, which would count as the same proportion of visitors in statistical terms, would result in revenue to Florida of $7,560, (but likely higher as this is an old figure).

Therefore, the UK family may be statistically small, the contribution to the economy is disproportionately high, meaning that while we may make up 2.3% of visitors in numbers, in terms of the level of income generation it is much higher.


This is not just the UK, the same can be said of the disproportionate revenue contrbution from other international tourists as well.
 
SimonV said:
Beth, I also pointed out that our pure numbers are more concentrated in some areas (like Discovery Cove and other parts of Orlando), and are also more significant because we stay longer and spend more. A 20% drop in UK visitors to Florida would be devastating in some areas. Please don't take my facts and distort or misrepresent them. Your statement about the Latin influence and 'taco month' was far more misleading (when Brazilian visitors are down to less than 100,000 a year), and also quite insulting to the Latin community.


1/2 percent drop is a 1/2 percent drop.

In any case, no need to be so defensive. I didn't attack what you said, only looked at it as a number that could be understood by simpletons such as myself.

And "taco month" is what WDW CMs universally use to refer to July (though clearly it is less than PC).
The term was not my invention (though I do find it amusing, despite the fact that a good deal of my family is from South America).
 
Maybe people are worried about the amount of hurricaines they are getting over there and are not prepared to take the risk of their hard earned holiday being spoilt. it doesn't bother us though i would actually like to experience just one.
 
Deedee said:
Maybe people are worried about the amount of hurricaines they are getting over there and are not prepared to take the risk of their hard earned holiday being spoilt. it doesn't bother us though i would actually like to experience just one.


be careful what you wish for...
 
Despite people putting a gloss on the figures it is patently obvious that the number of British visitors to Florida and particularly to the Orlando area is down. The number of flights to Florida is also down and still reducing so it stands to reason that UK visitor numbers are down. If not perhaps someone could explain how they are getting there. Both TCD and Virgin have cut flights not increased them.
Cost, hurricanes and US immigration have all contributed to this situation but fortunately for the Floridian economy the US stay at home market is growing and should ensure the popularity of the region for years to come.

Lizzy :)
 
Hi Lizzy. Can I ask where you have got your flight details from? To the best of our knowledge, Virgin have cut one high-season flight this summer, but TCD are operating at the same capacity as last year. They also have extra capacity with Excel this year for the first time after their acquisition by the Avion Group last year, while Flyglobespan will be operating daily services from Glasgow to Sanford from next month for the first time (using wide-bodied Boeing 767-300s). Aer Lingus have just announced they will cancel their direct Dublin-Orlando service from the end of this year, but that shouldn't affect figures much. Icelandair have started up flights to Sanford (as opposed to Orlando International) and are promoting them much more than they did at OIA, and there is still the possibility that the much-maligned flywho will begin operations to both Sanford and St Petersburg in July (although they have yet to confirm a single flight!). Also, the tour operators still only account for slightly more than 50% of the Florida UK tourist numbers, and, from our view, more people are travelling independently, so we really aren't seeing any kind of drop in numbers. The Orlando Convention & Visitors Bureau forecast for this year remains a firm 1.18million, which is a slight increase on 2005, and they have the benefit of all the traffic figures for this year.

I hate to say it, but the UK media are most definitely wrong in their assertion about a drop in numbers; they might be right about less people visiting this summer (because of fears about hurricane season), but even then we are not seeing a lot of spare capacity and there are no cheap deals being offered at the moment, which would be the biggest indicator of a drop in numbers. And try getting a flight on one of the scheduled operators for July and August, and you will be paying top dollar.

And Beth, I'm not being at all defensive about my comments. I am merely pointing out that you have completely misinterpreted what I said and all the figures I provided. The size of any drop in numbers is NOT directly related to the size of a drop in business. If Florida was down by 300,000 visiting Brits, some places (like the Cricketers Arms and other Brit-friendly establishments) would be going out of business, but the fact is, they're not. And, if you do go around in Orlando insisting July is 'taco month', you will get very short shrift from the locals, no matter how funny you think it is.
 












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