Bristol Palin and DWTS results

[ols386]

I read that Willow no longer has a FB account now. I'm betting that her Mom and/or Dad had something to do with that. Good for them. So maybe they're not the awful parents that some are claiming them to be.

 

[SaraJayne]

I read that Willow no longer has a FB account now. I'm betting that her Mom and/or Dad had something to do with that. Good for them. So maybe they're not the awful parents that some are claiming them to be.

Or maybe Facebook deleted her account, due to hate speech.

 

[TeresaNJ]

Is today a full moon?

 

[DisneyMomx7]

You don't like the language that Willow and Bristol used, but it's ok for you to call them trashy and classless.

Really, how can you be 100% sure that your older children would never use a homophobic slur? Are you around them 100% of the time? Just curious.

You don't even know these two girls, but you would never want your sons to bring girls like them home. What a judgmental statement.

Well obviously you don't know my older children. We've had many conversations where they have talked about how they think that people that use those words just sound plain ignorant. The groups of kids they hung around with in both high school and college really seemed much more mature than those who think using those words make you seem "cool".

I think saying that the statements that Willow and Bristol made make them sound trashy and classless are indeed correct observations. This is my OPINION. And no I wouldn't want my sons to bring girls that speak like that home. I hope (and think) that they have much higher standards.

 

[Mrs.Toad]

I hope they are happy too... but that doesn't mean that I have to think Bristol can dance or that they should know better than to post garbage on facebook!

Having blind faith in this family and thinking they can do no wrong is just silly.....

I sincerely hope they are happy, too. Unfortunately, IME, those who crow the most about their happiness are usually the least happy. It's like they have to prove it to themselves and others, where the truly happy people don't usually feel the need to do so. And who are their "enemies"? People who express negative opinions of their TV show or her dancing? I don't think I could be happy if I believed I had enemies.

I think it is because she went straight from an apology into a plea for votes and then a comment about "haters". I think it is similar to some people on this thread who have an issue accepting that even if some may like the Palins and Bristol we can absolutely despise the girls' words and actions. That is not hating and posters (and Bristol) trying to brush away the criticism of their actions by merely blaming people for being haters or the whole "perfect children" argument is de facto yet another justification for really terrible actions by the girls. I started on this thread saying that Bristol seemed like a really nice girl, and although I was disturbed that she was moving ahead although her dancing was sub par, I wished the best for her. Most of what I knew about Bristol was from her appearance on DWTS and Willow from the new Alaska show. Now that I have seen their actual words and actions, I have a different view. Those were not scripted, edited versions of these girls, rather the real thing. And it disturbed me. And I just don't get how that could ever make me a hater of anything but nasty language and behavior. Which I fully admit to "hating".

Well said, as usual!

 

[akhenaten]

I sincerely hope they are happy, too. Unfortunately, IME, those who crow the most about their happiness are usually the least happy. It's like they have to prove it to themselves and others, where the truly happy people don't usually feel the need to do so. And who are their "enemies"? People who express negative opinions of their TV show or her dancing? I don't think I could be happy if I believed I had enemies.

Well said, as usual!

According to a "search" it is a scottish quote.... "May we be happy - and our enemies know it!" so that doesn't phase me... perhaps not the most gracious thing to post...

 

[Mrs.Toad]

You don't like the language that Willow and Bristol used, but it's ok for you to call them trashy and classless.

Really, how can you be 100% sure that your older children would never use a homophobic slur? Are you around them 100% of the time? Just curious.

You don't even know these two girls, but you would never want your sons to bring girls like them home. What a judgmental statement.

I don't recall if anyone here has actually said they are 100% sure their kids would never use a homophobic slur. In my case, we have educated our kids about equality. They have been to the wedding of lesbian friends. They know gay couples and have not been taught that it is weird or wrong, but that it is just the way a person is. They know that the "f" word (the one that ends in "t") is on the same level as the "n" word, and that it says much more about the one who says it, than it does about the one who hears it.

I can't imagine them using that word, simply because they do not see homosexuality as an insult, but you're right, I'm not with them all the time and I can't know every word that comes out of their mouths.

I can, however, know every word they post on Facebook. I have my dd's password and I log on as her to be sure I'm not seeing a filtered version of her or her friends words. My kids and their friends are far from perfect, but they do realize that there is a difference between spoken communication and written (which includes texting and FB), and that they need to choose their words more carefully when they are putting them in a medium where they can be stored forever and easily forwarded to hundreds of people (or more) within minutes.

I rarely see profanity and when I do, it's one of the same 4 or 5 kids (out of hundreds), and as soon as they post it, another kid will reply "watch the language" and it stops. (Peer pressure can be great in that respect!) Again, I don't claim that these kids are perfect, and I know for a fact some of them use a ton of profanity verbally (the other f-word, mostly). They are far from perfect, they are just normal kids who know better than to put that kind of language in writing.

I would like to ask those who keep saying that this language is so common among teens, is it common to post these words on FB too, in your area? If so, I guess I can see why some parents are so opposed to FB for their kids, if they regularly see these kinds of conversations on it.

 

[ols386]

I don't recall if anyone here has actually said they are 100% sure their kids would never use a homophobic slur. In my case, we have educated our kids about equality. They have been to the wedding of lesbian friends. They know gay couples and have not been taught that it is weird or wrong, but that it is just the way a person is. They know that the "f" word (the one that ends in "t") is on the same level as the "n" word, and that it says much more about the one who says it, than it does about the one who hears it.

I can't imagine them using that word, simply because they do not see homosexuality as an insult, but you're right, I'm not with them all the time and I can't know every word that comes out of their mouths.

I can, however, know every word they post on Facebook. I have my dd's password and I log on as her to be sure I'm not seeing a filtered version of her or her friends words. My kids and their friends are far from perfect, but they do realize that there is a difference between spoken communication and written (which includes texting and FB), and that they need to choose their words more carefully when they are putting them in a medium where they can be stored forever and easily forwarded to hundreds of people (or more) within minutes.

I rarely see profanity and when I do, it's one of the same 4 or 5 kids (out of hundreds), and as soon as they post it, another kid will reply "watch the language" and it stops. (Peer pressure can be great in that respect!) Again, I don't claim that these kids are perfect, and I know for a fact some of them use a ton of profanity verbally (the other f-word, mostly). They are far from perfect, they are just normal kids who know better than to put that kind of language in writing.

I would like to ask those who keep saying that this language is so common among teens, is it common to post these words on FB too, in your area? If so, I guess I can see why some parents are so opposed to FB for their kids, if they regularly see these kinds of conversations on it.

Please see post #341.

I do think the language is common among some teens. However, I do believe that it IS wrong to use that language.

 

[ols386]

Well obviously you don't know my older children. We've had many conversations where they have talked about how they think that people that use those words just sound plain ignorant. The groups of kids they hung around with in both high school and college really seemed much more mature than those who think using those words make you seem "cool".

I think saying that the statements that Willow and Bristol made make them sound trashy and classless are indeed correct observations. This is my OPINION. And no I wouldn't want my sons to bring girls that speak like that home. I hope (and think) that they have much higher standards.

And I think your calling them trashy and classless is hypocritical. You don't appreciate them calling someone a negative name, and I do agree that calling anyone a f, is uncalled for, and maybe trashy and classless isn't on the same level as the f-word, but it's still hypocritical. And that is my OPINION.

 

[ols386]

Or maybe Facebook deleted her account, due to hate speech.

I doubt it.

 

[Mrs.Toad]

Please see post #341.

I do think the language is common among some teens. However, I do believe that it IS wrong to use that language.

OK, there's one!

I notice that you say the language is common among "some" teens, though. Not all teens?

 

[DisneyMomx7]

And I think your calling them trashy and classless is hypocritical. You don't appreciate them calling someone a negative name, and I do agree that calling anyone a f, is uncalled for, and maybe trashy and classless isn't on the same level as the f-word, but it's still hypocritical. And that is my OPINION.

So you think those kinds of words show class? Do you think those words are trashy?

Big difference - using those words make those girls appear trashy and classless.

Saying someone's behavior is trashy is a whole different ballgame than calling some the f word. Also if you don't want to appear trashy then don't use foul language - simple as that.

 

[SaraJayne]

I doubt it.

If enough people reported her posts for "hate speech", they sure could have disabled her account.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

What were some of the things said on Facebook, were they by her and her sister or just her sister? I'm just curious.

 

[ols386]

OK, there's one!

I notice that you say the language is common among "some" teens, though. Not all teens?

That ONE, was the post I was responding to.

I doubt that ALL teens use that language. So what is your point?

 

[akhenaten]

What were some of the things said on Facebook, were they by her and her sister or just her sister? I'm just curious.

http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk...1116_palin.pdf

I think this is it.... it was on a post back on page 21

I guess it was removed.....

 

[ols386]

So you think those kinds of words show class? Do you think those words are trashy?

Big difference - using those words make those girls appear trashy and classless.

Saying someone's behavior is trashy is a whole different ballgame than calling some the f word. Also if you don't want to appear trashy then don't use foul language - simple as that.

Like I said, if you read my earlier post, calling someone the f word isn't on the same level as trashy, but your referring to them as trashy is negative name-calling.

 

[ols386]

There were some pretty nasty remarks and statements by many who were participating in that discussion, not just the Palin sisters.

Again, I do not condone calling someone a homophobic name, and that FB thread is sad on many levels.

 

[Mrs.Toad]

That ONE, was the post I was responding to.

I doubt that ALL teens use that language. So what is your point?

Oops, sorry, don't know how I missed that! I think I've gotten so used to generalizations on this thread, I was in that mindset when I read your comment.

My point on SOME versus ALL, is just that. All teens don't talk that way. Most teens don't talk that way. Some teens do talk that way. Those who excuse the language because "teens talk that way" seem to think it's much more common than my experience tells me. And if it's common in "some" groups of kids, those are the groups I tell my kids to avoid.

 

[LiberalPrincess]

There were some pretty nasty remarks and statements by many who were participating in that discussion, not just the Palin sisters.

Again, I do not condone calling someone a homophobic name, and that FB thread is sad on many levels.

On that we completely agree, not the least of which was the repeated misuse of your versus you're. Ouch. However, the original post that precipitated the mess did not seem to warrant the OTT response it received from Bristol, who brought in the profanity and certainly did not include the slurs and personal attacks until Willow jumped in. But, you are right, there are nasty responses from many. And, honestly, I hope that the parents of all of them, not just the Palins, got a wake-up call.