Bringing down the cost of restaurant bills

Me too. I have scleritis ( inflammation of the eyes ) which sets the migraines off. I take topamax now after years of resisting because of the horror stories people told me. I have gone from 1-3 migraines a week to 2 -3 a month. Wish I had taken it sooner. I now take maxalt when I get one I find its the best for nausea and pain. I try ginger first sometimes it works sometimes not but its worth a go!
 
I would love to know if the sugar free drinks from the soda fountains contain aspartemine or not. There are conflicting reports on this.
 
I tried topomax and we didn't get along. I take relpax now, but someone recently told me she gets rebound headaches from it. You just can't win, lol!
 

No you cant win re rebound headaches! I found that with imigran ( I think you call it imitrex? ) . The best treatment I had so far was 36 botox injections. I went nearly a month without a migraine but its really expensive here in the UK. There is talk of making it available for chronic migraine sufferes on our national health system ( so it would be free ) but so far it has not happened.
 
Granny square said:
For some reason i think they do. But that is just a wag. ::yes::

I think so too. I suffered blinding headaches with my refillable resort mug lol.
 
Granny square said:
My son is the same way, i think. He can maintain on the excedrin though.
Mine I think are a direct side effect of my brain condition. Sucks, but could be worse.

Percocet is all that's really helped on bad days. And that's not exactly practical.:(


(Op Sorry for derailing your thread....I'll stop.)
 
I disagree. You can easily feed a family of 4 for $40 at the average family style restaurant without ordering child plaest. Most entrees are under $10. I get upselling and was good at it, but if a restaurant can't get by on the average entree they need to raise prices.

That said, I will, next i want a tea, will ask for a bottle of water or ask for a hot pot of tea minus the tea. :)I can't imagine people ordering a special and then asking that the drink be subtracted. It is like ordering one and asking not to pay for the side that will cost $2. For me this is not about cost, but about options. If they have something i can or will drink i order it. Many times, though, it isn't an option.

We have lived around the world and most of the places that charge for tap water are tourist haunts. My husband and son have been in bangkok, belgium and iceland in the last week and a half and haven't been charged anywhere. On a happier thought, though they spent last evening watching the northern lights. :cloud9:
We'll just have to agree to disagree on the prices. Around here, any family of 4 that tipped appropriately (18%) will have spent a grand total of $34 on their meal after their 6% tax was applied.

About 3%-3.5% of a normal full-service restaurant bill is profit, mostly due to the profit made on beverage sales. Take those beverage sales away and the profit is slimmer. But let's just say for argument's sake that the establishment made a 3% profit on the family above even though the CPs were a loss-leader and the high-profit item was eliminated from the bill. That 3% profit translates to a whopping $1.02.

Oh, and just in case the PP who posed the original question actually meant that the family of 4 spent $40 prior to tax and tip, then the restaurant can expect to profit a whole $1.20.

My answer stands. That family can stay home and it really will not make a darned bit of difference to the restaurant at the end of the night.

Fortunately, very few customers take the cheap approach to dining out. Most families regard dining out as a rare treat and they spend money a little more freely when they are out. So they order a soda or iced tea if that's what they want.
 
t_daniels said:
Mine I think are a direct side effect of my brain condition. Sucks, but could be worse.

Percocet is all that's really helped on bad days. And that's not exactly practical.:(

(Op Sorry for derailing your thread....I'll stop.)

I never heard of percocet before I watched House and Nurse Jackie lol. But I am sorry OP I will stop now also.

Thread now back on track...
 
Mine I think are a direct side effect of my brain condition. Sucks, but could be worse.

Percocet is all that's really helped on bad days. And that's not exactly practical.:(


(Op Sorry for derailing your thread....I'll stop.)
that stinks, and i too apologize!

I appreciate your link to the coffee stands! i will bring it back on topic and suggest that people probably don't want to bring packs of starbucks via to add to their water!
 
Marionnette said:
We'll just have to agree to disagree on the prices. Around here, any family of 4 that tipped appropriately (18%) will have spent a grand total of $34 on their meal after their 6% tax was applied.

About 3%-3.5% of a normal full-service restaurant bill is profit, mostly due to the profit made on beverage sales. Take those beverage sales away and the profit is slimmer. But let's just say for argument's sake that the establishment made a 3% profit on the family above even though the CPs were a loss-leader and the high-profit item was eliminated from the bill. That 3% profit translates to a whopping $1.02.

Oh, and just in case the PP who posed the original question actually meant that the family of 4 spent $40 prior to tax and tip, then the restaurant can expect to profit a whole $1.20.

My answer stands. That family can stay home and it really will not make a darned bit of difference to the restaurant at the end of the night.

Fortunately, very few customers take the cheap approach to dining out. Most families regard dining out as a rare treat and they spend money a little more freely when they are out. So they order a soda or iced tea if that's what they want.

Oh my goodness 3-3.5 percent is harsh for them :-( I did not realise it was so low.
 
It depends, the outcome can be the same.

A well run restaurant usually has 'trends", for example a family style restaurant may have lobster tail on the menu but they know exactly how many lobster talils they need to sell to see a profit and usually know how many to order each night.
Now the problem with the dining plan was that disney was only compensating restaurants a dollar amount for each ts credit. Lets say for the sake of argument it was 25 bucks. So even though the lobster tail may have cost the restuarant 50 dollars an order, disney was only giving up 25 ( I don't know the exact dollar amount, I'm just using 25 as an example.).

So lets say Yachtsmans steakhouse knows, hey on Friday night dinner we normally get 4 orders for lobster tails. Ok so if every one of those 4 orders is on the ddp, we'll lose 100 bucks on this night, no problem that's acceptable but now because folks are no longer ordering normally and everyone is ordering lobster tails to maximize their credits. Now instead of 4 lobster tails going out, Yachtsman may get 15 orders. whoa baby now what we are losing is a problem.

So most places have a few choices, they can as Granny said raised prices but in today's environment folks don't like to see prices go up, that's why when you go to a supermarket, a manufacture will make a package smaller before they raise the price. Our brains naturally rebel against paying more, they can try to make up the difference in other ways i.e. charge for water, cut staffing, use cheaper ingrediants or they can do what disney did and dumb down the menu.

I think what my main comment is that for a restaurantaur, every aspect of your business effects your bottom line.

My family would have never, ever thought to say some thing to a customer who chose to bring in crystal light for their water BUT if we saw customer, after customer, after customer doing it we would have definitely reacessed and figured out what that was doing to the bottom line. It's not only what they are doing that affects us but it's also what they are not doing (purchasing beverages) that affects the bottom line.

If a restaurant can not make enough money because everyone orders the most expensive item which is allowed by the restaurant, then no one should be blamed except the restaurant itself, or maybe Disney as well. Bad budgeting and forecasting. I don't see why the customer here should get blamed in any sense.

Making your own drink in a restaurant is another story.
 
An interesting read on food costs / profit. In 2011 it was an avergae 5% profit margin.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/sageworks/2012/01/11/restaurants-serve-up-higher-sales/

And for those disecting the $40 / family of 4 comment....geez....it was just a #, not used for actual analysis, tip calculations or tax paid.

However... my family of four can eat out most times for $40 in total or less. Kids will get water (just tap, don't freak out).....unless their kids meal includes a drink. Wife may get water, pop or tea depending on her mood...and I get a Coke/Mt Dew. So 2 kids meals ($10) / 2 adult entrees ($20-$25)/ 1 or 2 drinks ($2-4) and you have a grand total of between $32-$39 prior to tax or tip.

If we go out and get pizza...it's well less than that.
 
Marionnette said:
This is why many restaurants fail within their first year. There is no margin for error.

I can imagine. Sometimes you see restaurants doing such good deals you think how can they possibly be making money. Then you see the shutters and its sad. My DW feels guilty using coupons. But lets not start on that lol.
 
Lol, with teen boys that pizza cost is up there too. I was just using the $40 also. It makes a frame of reference. :)
 
I often wonder for those of you who live or know the Orlando area well. Since the DDP was introduced what impact has this had on the outside restaurants? We do not get a DDP as we enjoy trying a mix of Disney and Olive garden etc. But I can see the attraction of staying on world when the DDP is included at certain times or it works out cheaper/easier for your family needs.
 
Granny square said:
that stinks, and i too apologize!

I appreciate your link to the coffee stands! i will bring it back on topic and suggest that people probably don't want to bring packs of starbucks via to add to their water!

Haha!:)
 
An interesting read on food costs / profit. In 2011 it was an avergae 5% profit margin.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/sageworks/2012/01/11/restaurants-serve-up-higher-sales/

And for those disecting the $40 / family of 4 comment....geez....it was just a #, not used for actual analysis, tip calculations or tax paid.

However... my family of four can eat out most times for $40 in total or less. Kids will get water (just tap, don't freak out).....unless their kids meal includes a drink. Wife may get water, pop or tea depending on her mood...and I get a Coke/Mt Dew. So 2 kids meals ($10) / 2 adult entrees ($20-$25)/ 1 or 2 drinks ($2-4) and you have a grand total of between $32-$39 prior to tax or tip.

If we go out and get pizza...it's well less than that.
It is an interesting read. Especially this part:
With high unemployment across the country, restaurant owners and operators last year were able to keep labor rates pretty static and control overtime expenses, which has helped profitability, Kiyohara said. Indeed, Sageworks’ data shows that direct labor costs for the private full-service restaurants fell to 27.02 percent of sales from 28.15 percent.
A large part of the increase in profitability (1.13%) can be attributed to a reduction in labor costs. Take away the horrible employment picture in this country and replace it with a healthy one, and you'll see profits go back to the 3%-3.5% range that I mentioned. Anyone looking to get a business loan to open a family restaurant would be laughed out of the bank if their business model included a 5% profit on net sales.
 














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