Breathalyzer brands & college teen discussions

I have received many links to helicopter parenting of college students articles from my sons (yes the guys who no news is good news) saying thank God my parents aren't those parents in the article. So far no ER calls.

In fact, the 21 year-old just called out of the blue on his way home from work as he was bored with his commute. No need to pester them. They come back after we give them wings.
 
IMHO it's common knowledge among parents and kids that smart phones can be tracked.

You have a lot of info about your daughter's activities based on her communication with you (not the GPS). You mentioned she calls before she goes out, lets you know if she thinks she's going to be drinking, etc. And that's fine and your choice. My question is what do you do with this information, do you have a criteria for when you act on this information? For instance, would you ever call the police looking for her and what info would cause you to make that call? If you were calling her and she didn't answer, at what point do you get act on the fact she's not communicating with you? I guess I'm wondering how you having this info makes her safer, which I believe is your ultimate goal (correct me if I'm wrong).

Thanks (sincerely) for asking. She has a pretty severe medical condition. Her roommates/close friends are aware, and I would contact one of them if I hadn't heard from her within 8 hours. I would contact authorities within 12. (if I waited that long....it would really depend on her last activities).
 
Thanks (sincerely) for asking. She has a pretty severe medical condition. Her roommates/close friends are aware, and I would contact one of them if I hadn't heard from her within 8 hours. I would contact authorities within 12. (if I waited that long....it would really depend on her last activities).

And this is what makes the big difference in our parenting styles. For those of us who do not have children with chronic conditions we don't have the same daily worries as you do.

That fact that we did not know before makes a difference. Best of luck to you and your dd.
 
And this is what makes the big difference in our parenting styles. For those of us who do not have children with chronic conditions we don't have the same daily worries as you do.

That fact that we did not know before makes a difference. Best of luck to you and your dd.

It was difficult for me to share the amount of information I did. I was sincerely hoping to HELP the OP. Because I have such an open dialogue with my daughter I am aware of situations (that are illegal and scary) on college campuses. Most parents see the alcohol videos, and hear stories of Frat parities....but they don't REALLY know what is actually going on and what college age kids are exposed to. (the fact that I have the ability to locate my daughter caused mass outrage, but open drug dealing doesn't seem to phase any of them!!!!)

I don't think I do anything any differently than any other hands on parent. She has special circumstances, but I try not to let it debilitate her, or hinder her "college experience". I intentionally left that out because honestly I already over shared!!! (and probably would never have mentioned it but someone asked specifically what I was doing with the info).

My point is and always has been that the OP should gather all the knowledge she can and make decisions based on what's good for her and her son....and their special circumstances.
 

It was difficult for me to share the amount of information I did. I was sincerely hoping to HELP the OP. Because I have such an open dialogue with my daughter I am aware of situations (that are illegal and scary) on college campuses. Most parents see the alcohol videos, and hear stories of Frat parities....but they don't REALLY know what is actually going on and what college age kids are exposed to. (the fact that I have the ability to locate my daughter caused mass outrage, but open drug dealing doesn't seem to phase any of them!!!!)

I don't think I do anything any differently than any other hands on parent. She has special circumstances, but I try not to let it debilitate her, or hinder her "college experience". I intentionally left that out because honestly I already over shared!!! (and probably would never have mentioned it but someone asked specifically what I was doing with the info).

My point is and always has been that the OP should gather all the knowledge she can and make decisions based on what's good for her and her son....and their special circumstances.
Sincere question - did you go to college and lived away from home? Both DH and I lived away from home for four years for college. We are well aware of "situations" on our son's campus. He attends a large urban university. No, open drug dealing doesn't phase me.
 
It was difficult for me to share the amount of information I did. I was sincerely hoping to HELP the OP. Because I have such an open dialogue with my daughter I am aware of situations (that are illegal and scary) on college campuses. Most parents see the alcohol videos, and hear stories of Frat parities....but they don't REALLY know what is actually going on and what college age kids are exposed to. (the fact that I have the ability to locate my daughter caused mass outrage, but open drug dealing doesn't seem to phase any of them!!!!)

I don't think I do anything any differently than any other hands on parent. She has special circumstances, but I try not to let it debilitate her, or hinder her "college experience". I intentionally left that out because honestly I already over shared!!! (and probably would never have mentioned it but someone asked specifically what I was doing with the info).

My point is and always has been that the OP should gather all the knowledge she can and make decisions based on what's good for her and her son....and their special circumstances.

I do disagree. I think many parents DO know what happens on college campuses. But we are able to trust that we've laid the foundation we want in our kids. One of our ds's attends dh's alma mater and dh's sister graduated from there not too long ago.

As I said, the difference in our parenting is the chronic condition your dd has..it has caused you to be more protective (understandably) than other parents.

As to the open drug dealing, my kids-teens and tweens at the time- saw that on the streets of New Orleans. Somehow I was in the exact same place and missed it. Unfortunately happens anywhere.
 
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Thanks (sincerely) for asking. She has a pretty severe medical condition. Her roommates/close friends are aware, and I would contact one of them if I hadn't heard from her within 8 hours. I would contact authorities within 12. (if I waited that long....it would really depend on her last activities).


I totally understand. Some issues have life altering consequences and that's just part of life I think. When a family is faced with that sort of thing all we can do is our best.

I very much appreciate your sharing it is very supportive
 
It was difficult for me to share the amount of information I did. I was sincerely hoping to HELP the OP. Because I have such an open dialogue with my daughter I am aware of situations (that are illegal and scary) on college campuses. Most parents see the alcohol videos, and hear stories of Frat parities....but they don't REALLY know what is actually going on and what college age kids are exposed to. (the fact that I have the ability to locate my daughter caused mass outrage, but open drug dealing doesn't seem to phase any of them!!!!)
Sorry, you are not privy to any special or secret information that the rest of us parents aren't well aware of.

Most parents I know were once college kids too and are WELL aware of what goes on at Frat parties and a college campus. And as mentioned before, your child is not the only one who talks to you.

Drug dealing and alcohol consumption has been going on for as long as there have been college campuses.

I remember a sunny day in 1977 when a classmate said "Hey, I have a bunch of ludes, (quaaludes - popular in the 70's) wanna go party?"
I remember sitting in a dorm room when some of the students were doing lines of cocaine off a mirror and it was passed to me.

There is a fair chance she is going to run up against a person with drugs. And guess what, it can happen off the campus too; in her job, at parties, in church. She sounds like she has a good head on her shoulders, let her figure out how to deal with one of life's problems.

It is not that it doesn't phase us parents, we just don't live our lives in abject fear of it. Fear doesn't rule our world. We trust that we have taught our children well and gave them good tools on how to deal with drugs and alcohol. If they didn't succumb during high school, there is hope and trust that they will continue their good choices in adulthood. We continue talking and counseling, but don't run our young adults lives.
 
Drug dealing and alcohol consumption has been going on for as long as there have been college campuses.

I remember a sunny day in 1977 when a classmate said "Hey, I have a bunch of ludes, (quaaludes - popular in the 70's) wanna go party?"
I remember sitting in a dorm room when some of the students were doing lines of cocaine off a mirror and it was passed to me.

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THIS^

I am a tad older than you and agree........
no matter what you tell your kids...they will see it

I also had a cousin who OD'd at 20 and her sis, knowing this, still does drugs in her 50's-go figure
(we had a girl cousin dinner at her house and she had to go to the bathroom and get high (and politely asked any of us if we wanted to join her....none did)...it kinds floored me that she could not spend 2 hours with us without getting wacked)
 
Sorry, you are not privy to any special or secret information that the rest of us parents aren't well aware of.

Most parents I know were once college kids too and are WELL aware of what goes on at Frat parties and a college campus. And as mentioned before, your child is not the only one who talks to you.

Drug dealing and alcohol consumption has been going on for as long as there have been college campuses.

I remember a sunny day in 1977 when a classmate said "Hey, I have a bunch of ludes, (quaaludes - popular in the 70's) wanna go party?"
I remember sitting in a dorm room when some of the students were doing lines of cocaine off a mirror and it was passed to me.

There is a fair chance she is going to run up against a person with drugs. And guess what, it can happen off the campus too; in her job, at parties, in church. She sounds like she has a good head on her shoulders, let her figure out how to deal with one of life's problems.

It is not that it doesn't phase us parents, we just don't live our lives in abject fear of it. Fear doesn't rule our world. We trust that we have taught our children well and gave them good tools on how to deal with drugs and alcohol. If they didn't succumb during high school, there is hope and trust that they will continue their good choices in adulthood. We continue talking and counseling, but don't run our young adults lives.
I know there is rampant drug and alcohol use in college and high school. Our local police force is now equipped to deal with heroin overdoses - years ago, it seemed like several teens OD'd every year.

What really surprised me was finding out how many middle aged or older adults smoke pot on a regular basis, when my mom was going through chemo! She was approved for medical marijuana, but it took months to be approved, and 6 months to get an appointment (which she didn't live long enough to make). We put out a couple feelers, and apparently we are the only ones not smoking! Successful businessmen, school administrators, physicians, attorneys, hair dressers, mechanics... I don't even know how much we still have, but someday, when the kids are gone...
 
I know there is rampant drug and alcohol use in college and high school. Our local police force is now equipped to deal with heroin overdoses - years ago, it seemed like several teens OD'd every year.

What really surprised me was finding out how many middle aged or older adults smoke pot on a regular basis, when my mom was going through chemo! She was approved for medical marijuana, but it took months to be approved, and 6 months to get an appointment (which she didn't live long enough to make). We put out a couple feelers, and apparently we are the only ones not smoking! Successful businessmen, school administrators, physicians, attorneys, hair dressers, mechanics... I don't even know how much we still have, but someday, when the kids are gone...


I feel the same way. I tried it twice and blacked out twice and never had an inclination to try again:crazy2: Personally I am content to chill out with a bunch of girlfriends and have some Mojito's which is what I am doing soon in the unexpected sunshine. Cheers
 
Not all kids drink at college. My son is 20 and a sophomore in college. He is straight edge and very vocal and proud of it. We have many conversations about drugs and alcohol in our house. Our kids feel very comfortable talking to us.

My son and I talked often his first few months of college about all the alcohol and drug use among his friends. It is darn near impossible to find straight edge college students. His group of friends now may drink at parties but not excessively or they may choose to be sober like him. He is the one his friends go to if they want to stay sober. He has escorted people home when they have had too much to drink. He helped two girls leave the dorm when the guys they came with were becoming a little too aggressive. We are proud of his decision to be straight edge.

OP keep the lines of communication open. Allow your son to talk freely and ask you questions about your past.

And fwiw, I was expecting my son to tell a lot of alcohol stories. I was very surprised by the amount of drug use. Alcohol is almost afterthought, especially among the freshman. DS's college houses all the freshmen in one dorm. DS also watched as some "friends" started the year out partying and never stopped and ended up leaving school and he saw some party hard and then straighten up as the year progressed. Pot was the #1 drug of choice. I too was surprised at how kids (and adults) think it is okay.

DH is a counselor with focused training on drugs and alcohol. Pot is definitely not okay. Off my soapbox now.....:)
 
Just so ALL of you know, if your child has a smart phone, they can be tracked!!! My daughter doesn't need permission, or my approval to do anything. I'm not influencing anything she does on a daily basis. She is free to be the adult she is. Each and every comment that you have made concerning the "GPS tracking" condems my parenting, my relationship with my child, and blankets it in "abnormality" then you have the AUDACITY to call ME JUDGMENTAL. My original comment was to HELP the OP who asked specifically about what I did, I hope that she decides what is good for HER and HER SON.....and doesn't make decisions based on all the parental shaming (and quite frankly bullying) that is going on in this thread.

This is what you said in a previous post

We manage by having very defined rules. She has to keep grades up, attend all classes as required and manage her social life so that she's able to keep up with work and homework/classes/sports. She has to let me know when she's going out, and if she's planning on drinking, she goes with at least 2 other girls (hopefully one is fairly sober, but I can't win them all). She lets me know when she's home safe (even if its 3am). Her phone has locating gps (I pay extra every month so I can check it without an obnoxious alarm going off) so that I can check to see if she's in class, or actually home when she says she is.

This sure does sound like you are influencing her on a daily basis, and not really letting her be an adult. These are your own words and you can't really back track from them.
 
This is what you said in a previous post

We manage by having very defined rules. She has to keep grades up, attend all classes as required and manage her social life so that she's able to keep up with work and homework/classes/sports. She has to let me know when she's going out, and if she's planning on drinking, she goes with at least 2 other girls (hopefully one is fairly sober, but I can't win them all). She lets me know when she's home safe (even if its 3am). Her phone has locating gps (I pay extra every month so I can check it without an obnoxious alarm going off) so that I can check to see if she's in class, or actually home when she says she is.

This sure does sound like you are influencing her on a daily basis, and not really letting her be an adult. These are your own words and you can't really back track from them.
And your point? Are you just a troll, or do you have something positive to add? I'm not sure why you continue to make these posts trying to scrutinize everything I say yet offering NOTHING to the conversation.

I haven't minced words throughout this entire thread. She has RULES. She also has the ability to BREAK THEM. If she chooses the latter then she deals with the consequences. Just like every other free ADULT on the planet.
 
If you don't like someone's comments, don't read them. This is a conversation, and unless the moderators feel it's out of control, will continue as a conversation, complete with posters referencing and commenting on the original post and any/all diversions.

Yup, everybody has rules, and the ability to break said rules. Most college students living away from home don't have rules so extreme that they're expected to contact a parent before going out socially and on returning to the dorm/apartment.

Most adults - college students or not - don't have numerous and restrictive rules with extreme consequences for breaking any.
 
If you don't like someone's comments, don't read them. This is a conversation, and unless the moderators feel it's out of control, will continue as a conversation, complete with posters referencing and commenting on the original post and any/all diversions.

Yup, everybody has rules, and the ability to break said rules. Most college students living away from home don't have rules so extreme that they're expected to contact a parent before going out socially and on returning to the dorm/apartment.

Most adults - college students or not - don't have numerous and restrictive rules with extreme consequences for breaking any.

Thanks so much for this!!! I'll speak with her NEUROLOGIST and CARDIOLOGIST immediately and let them know that she's not experiencing life like MOST college students. I'm sure they'll write her a pass so that she can skip all her treatment and start functioning under the consequences of normal adults.

Until we get that note though.....She's gonna have to keep understanding that her "extreme consequences for breaking rules" is most likely gonna land her in the hospital or worse.

Just because I'm hoping you decided not to read the other comments, and wanted to make me MORE aware that you disagree with MY parenting....I'll say it again. My comments were about the SAFETY of MY CHILD when asked very specifically about what I do to maintain her safety.
 
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Until we get that note though.....She's gonna have to keep understanding that her "extreme consequences for breaking rules" is most likely gonna land her in the hospital or worse.

Which is entirely different from the extreme consequences originally detailed - having her phone and apartment taken away (well,not paid for by parents) if she doesn't comply. It's great that she can not only go away to college, but also participate in sports with whatever severe health issues she has.
 
Which is entirely different from the extreme consequences originally detailed - having her phone and apartment taken away (well,not paid for by parents) if she doesn't comply. It's great that she can not only go away to college, but also participate in sports with whatever severe health issues she has.

They're the very same consequences originally detailed. They were just contorted into overbearing, abnormal, invasive, and any other negative adjective you and other posters chose to apply. So they're less condemning because I have a "reason"? She does everything she can to try and appear normal.....but calling (texting actually) her mom to let her know she's safe makes her abnormal? She can do as she pleases, but if she makes choices that are detrimental to her independence, or her health....I most certainly will stop paying for her apartment, and her phone will be turned into a GPS beacon that can't google, text, or call.

(and I'm very proud of her Athletic and Educational achievements. She's always been athletic and we are very fortunate that her treatment manages symptoms well enough she can compete on a collegiate level)
 
They're the very same consequences originally detailed. They were just contorted into overbearing, abnormal, invasive, and any other negative adjective you and other posters chose to apply.
Read those posts again in a few weeks, they were interpreted the way they were presented.
So they're less condemning because I have a "reason"?
Not less condemning, but perhaps a bit more understandable.
 
OP I hear your concerns. I had to re-read the thread as I started to read it a day or two ago. It sounds like your son has a pretty good head on his shoulders. He's observed a lot with his friends and is trying to figure out where he fits in when it comes to partying. I have two 18 yr olds also and we've had similar conversations here. Since last summer I wondered why I hadn't seen a couple of DS's friends much and he finally told me it was because they were out doing things that he didn't really want to do, then it all made sense to me. We wound up having a good family conversation that night, with DD too, about alcohol and how we feel about it. (Not that we hadn't had conversations throughout their younger years, but there seemed to be more context now that these issues are closer to home and they're starting college in the fall, etc.)

DH and I don't drink much. I have an occasional glass of wine, and we'll both have a pink colada or two on vacation, or a Mike's or two at a cookout, etc. (Though I have a background like you, having grown up in the city, in the 70s, and all everyone did was party. My kids have heard all my crazy stories, but recognize our world has changed now, with DUI statutes and such, and drugs that are laced with chemicals that can kill, etc.) That night we talked about alcohol having its place and the difference between drinking for enjoyment and relaxation, and drinking to get drunk. And that it's perfectly ok to enjoy a drink or two. I think the discussion had an impact and made sense, because it wasn't one of those conversations where they were both trying to run out the door, lol. They actually sat, relaxed, for quite a while and talked about it with us, so I was glad about that. We have offered them a beer or glass of wine at family events and they've tried it, but neither actually ever finished theirs. I sense DS will be like his dad, who doesn't really like to drink, and I could see DD being like me, who enjoys an occasional drink out with friends or at dinner, but my main issue, like you and all the other parents here, is just for them to be safe if they choose to drink.

That said, they've also been observing a lot. A recent college grad I'm mentoring moved out of her apartment for her senior year because her roommate was alcoholic and she was having to care for her all the time. It got to be so burdensome she moved home with her parents, over an hour away from the school. DD, though still in HS, has a good friend who's a freshman in college whose drinking has become a problem; DD's experience with this friend is starting to mirror the one with my mentoree and she's beginning to see it for what it is - lots of problems and drama. She sees she doesn't want that for herself. We've also had about four or five deaths in the past several weeks at local colleges around here - most, if not all, related to alcohol and/or drugs. Some may have been suicides, I think investigations are ongoing. Anyway, it's sad. Kids falling over ledges, drowning in streams, etc. These colleges have taken massive steps to intervene, but since college drinking is a rite of passage, it's really hard to deal with. I'm not sure a breathalyzer is the answer, but I see where you're going with it. (I remember once as a new nurse, I was discussing a patient's blood alcohol levels with a physician and I asked him what the "normal" was. His response? "Zero", lol. Makes sense. I always chuckle about that when I think of blood alcohol content.) I think some pp's are right when they say you have to trust that you've raised him right and he's had exposure and experiences, and chances are good he'll make good decisions, at least most of the time. I think this is the best we can hope for for our kids as they head out on their own.

Lastly, I do try to balance my discussions with my kids between getting a message across and not scaring the bejeezus out of them. It's not always easy, especially when we worry. Looking back, I think that's always been the case - I think of our discussions about strangers when they were little, and grades as they progressed through school, dating, etc. This is just the next natural step. For DD I warn her about being at parties, even if she's not drinking, and having something put in her drink. (I had it happen to me when I was young and fortunately I saw it. I threw up, but it could've been much worse.) I also remind her about parking lot safety and all that. Ugh, it's hard. :p I think your DS will be ok. :hug: Hang in there. Good discussion, though.
 
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