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Effective some time in March (yeah, I know - after the winter :rolleyes1) new federal legislation requires airlines to allow passengers off the plane after three hours of being stuck on the ground.
 
I personally think even that's too long, but hey, it's a start. And like you said, funny how that will be just as winter is winding down, which is when it gets the most screwed up, but I guess that lobbyists for ya :)
 
I personally think even that's too long, but hey, it's a start. And like you said, funny how that will be just as winter is winding down, which is when it gets the most screwed up, but I guess that lobbyists for ya :)

Ditto!

It's never happened to me thankfully, but DH was stuck on the tarmac (or whatever it's called) for over 3 hours once in summer - no air circulating - he was a dripping, sweaty mess with a raging headache til he got to his meeting. I can't even imagine being stuck like that with kids. Like the OP said, 3 hours is unbearable, but at least it's a start.
 

Three hours!I start going looney way before that.I don't fly that often and I don't know if I have anxiety or claustrophobia or what but I remember waiting on a plane 1.5 hours for it to take off from Dallas to San Francisco and just feeling antsy the whole time,like I didn't have any leg room and feeling cramped like I couldn't move and thinking that it was still over 3 hours after we took off.However once we took off I felt great the whole trip to San Francisco.So honestly if I was in the condition I was that day and had to wait another 1.5 hours I would have to be let off the plane before that.I know I don't have any major claustrophobia feelings anywhere else so I don't know what exactly was my problem that day.A couple times on a rollercoaster where my legs are restrained and the ride was over and we had to wait a couple of minutes before getting out I've had a similar antsy feeling so maybe it has to do with my legs feeling like they don't have space or movement.
 
3 hours once in summer - no air circulating - he was a dripping, sweaty mess with a raging headache til he got to his meeting. .
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OT: If Motel 6 can leave the light on for you and offer you a clean comfortable room then any airline regardless of fare paid should provide a clean comfortable ride.
 
I was stuck on a plane for 5 hours once. There was a large storm in the NYC area so they grounded us in Atlantic City.

We were treated so well by the flight crew that I wrote a letter of recommendation to Jet Blue and thanked the crew personally.
 
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Note the following exception: "if air traffic control advises the pilot in command that returning to the terminal would disrupt airport operations." So essentially, if a flight is coming up on 3 hours after push-back, and if pulling the aircraft out of the sequencing for take-off would cause any significant disruption on the ground, then this new law will have no effect.
 
Another thing that would go a long way would be if passengers on a plane that is parked on the tarmac would be given access to the restrooms, instead of being required to remain in their seats.

It makes sense that a plane that may begin moving at any time would not want passengers out of their seats - but if we know it's not moving in the next few minutes, allowing passengers out of their seats for basic hygiene just seems to make sense.
 
1. http://www.cockam.com/travel2.htm#Hot3
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98. (under construction)
99. Ask for compensation.

OT: If Motel 6 can leave the light on for you and offer you a clean comfortable room then any airline regardless of fare paid should provide a clean comfortable ride.

LOL I'll be sure to tell him to wear his trunks under his suit from now on!!
 
I am still surprised that this ruling makes everyone so happy. Once you see you vacation go down the tube because the plane has to return to the gate...and then the flight is ultimately cancelled because the time it would take to reboard, etc. will make the crew go over their legal flight time we will see how we feel about it. Plan on MANY cancelled flights from here on out.

All of the time spent putting together this stupid law could have gone toward fixing the air traffic control systems in and out of NYC and THAT would have actually made a difference for everyone.
 
Plan on MANY cancelled flights from here on out.
I don't see how you infer that from the legislation. EVERY plane NEEDS to be somewhere else, to transport passengers from the original destination airport to another location. Airlines are NOT going to whimsically cancel many flights when there's a runway delay. They're only going to cancel flights when absolutely necessary. But I don't get your objection anyway - do you think it makes more sense to trap passengers on a plane on the runway for four, eight, ten, or more hours? Or do you think it's more humane to allow them off the plane into the terminal, where there are plenty of facilities - not to mention options for alternative travel plans.

All of the time spent putting together this stupid law could have gone toward fixing the air traffic control systems in and out of NYC and THAT would have actually made a difference for everyone.
Uh, no. Air Traffic Controllers are federal employees and the agency is a federal agency. "Fixing" ATC systems in and out of New York would require cutting and permanently restricting the number of flights in and out of those airports, combined with a 100% ability by the government to control the weather. NEITHER is going to happen.
 
I don't see how you infer that from the legislation. EVERY plane NEEDS to be somewhere else, to transport passengers from the original destination airport to another location. Airlines are NOT going to whimsically cancel many flights when there's a runway delay.
The implication by the previous poster was that the new regulation would force airlines to roll back to the terminal relatively often, and in doing so they would end up having to factor into their scheduled spending more time on the ground. (I believe the previous poster is incorrect about this legislation actually having the impact that many of its biggest boosters think it will have, as I mentioned earlier, and repeat below.)

But I don't get your objection anyway - do you think it makes more sense to trap passengers on a plane on the runway for four, eight, ten, or more hours? Or do you think it's more humane to allow them off the plane into the terminal, where there are plenty of facilities - not to mention options for alternative travel plans.
You present a false dichotomy. The words highlighted in bold belie the validity of your statement, since you've tainted your point with emotionally-laden language that obscures reality.

Regardless...

The problem is that there is no good answer. None. Either passengers "cowboy up" and make the most of the ramifications of weather and air traffic delays, or we introduce a substantial amount of additional waste into the system. Now, in other threads (most recently, today, regarding cable television), you'll see me continually remind people that the object of business is to make money, and companies do that by pricing their services based on the value provided (instead of just covering their costs). However, the airline industry doesn't have that luxury, because the passengers place such low value on airline travel, despite how much benefit they actually derive from it, that they refuse to value it enough to cover much more than the costs to provide the service, if even that much. A faulty value perception scenario has essentially corrupted the market. As a result, unlike in those other scenarios (including cable television), there isn't the capacity, within the airline industry, to accommodate the cost of this newly added waste.

So one of three things will happen: (1) We'll go back to 2002 or 2004-5 or 2008 with a bunch of airlines driven into bankruptcy by these added costs unrelieved by sufficient increases in airfares paid by us passengers to cover those costs; (2) The airlines will essentially collude together to assert that passengers must necessarily pay more, to cover these costs (either figuring out a way to do so that is legal, or the regulators essentially allowing them to do so, for the good of the system); or my best guess: (3) The FAA will essentially mitigate the majority of the costs associated with this new regulation but enforcing it in a manner such that it has practically no real impact.
 














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