BREAKING NEWS on CNN: Monorail Accident Kills One IN WDW

Wow... reading this hits so close to home.. maybe because of our love for Disney. Makes me cry!! Just amazes me something like this could happen, but as another PP said, something had to happen to the driver just prior. Glad to hear no one else was hurt, but my thoughts are with the family and fellow CMs
 
what were they doing on the monorail at 2 a.m.?

I think the parks were open late because of July 4th. Saw that one picture of the two trains up-thread...how horrifying. One of the Orlando station's websites still says the accident happened at Magic Kingdom TTC in their story title, but it's obvious it happened at or near the Epcot station.

How very sad.
agnes!
 
That is so sad.
You just think things like that can't happen to our "special" place.
Condolences to the family on their loss. What a shock!!

Our monorails in Seattle had an accident a few years ago where they side swiped on a turn on separate tracks.
 

This is so sad. The monorail is almost as much as an icon of Disney as the Castle. I feel so sorry for the family. I am sure after this that they will no longer allow guests in the driver's area (front car).
 
How tragic. :guilty:

My DD11 woke up and saw the news. She wondered if the driver might have been using a cell phone. We've had a couple of high profile MBTA crashes which hurt or killed people here in MA where cell phones were involved; they're now banned from use by drivers. http://www.mbta.com/about_the_mbta/news_events/?id=17343&month=&year=

It's a terrible accident. With it being 2 a.m., perhaps the driver fell asleep?

My heart goes out to his/her family. But I'm also glad that no one else was seriously injured or killed.
 
How tragic. :guilty:

My DD11 woke up and saw the news. She wondered if the driver might have been using a cell phone. We've had a couple of high profile MBTA crashes recently which hurt or killed people here in MA where cell phones were involved; they're now strictly banned from use by drivers. http://www.mbta.com/about_the_mbta/news_events/?id=17343&month=&year=

That was thought of the DC Metro driver killed in our recent crash, but it was not the case. The Metro crash was the result of a faulty track monitoring system, which reported the track to be clear when it was not. I wonder if the Monorail system has a similar mechanisim?
 
That was thought of the DC Metro driver killed in our recent crash, but it was not the case. The Metro crash was the result of a faulty track monitoring system, which reported the track to be clear when it was not. I wonder if the Monorail system has a similar mechanisim?

But wouldn't the driver still see the stationary monorail? I wonder how long it takes for the monorail to stop when the breaks are applied?
 
... One of the Orlando station's websites still says the accident happened at Magic Kingdom TTC in their story title, but it's obvious it happened at or near the Epcot station.
According to a statement from the Reedy Creek FD, it happened at TTC.
 
from what I read...the CM in the pink monorail is the one who passed. The article read "the pink monorail was moving and collided with the back of the purple monorail which was stationary".

This is terrible, my condolences go out to the family and my thoughts are with those who witnessed this. I don't like to think about bad things happening at the happiest place on earth :(
 
How tragic. :guilty:

My DD11 woke up and saw the news. She wondered if the driver might have been using a cell phone. We've had a couple of high profile MBTA crashes recently which hurt or killed people here in MA where cell phones were involved; they're now strictly banned from use by drivers. http://www.mbta.com/about_the_mbta/news_events/?id=17343&month=&year=

That was thought of the DC Metro driver killed in our recent crash, but it was not the case. The Metro crash was the result of a faulty track monitoring system, which reported the track to be clear when it was not. I wonder if the Monorail system has a similar mechanisim?

In the case of the DC Metro crash, there had been previous reported problems with that track mechanism.

Metro is in a world of trouble over this fatal accident, it's looking like it could have been avoided if the problems had been properly attended-to.

I'm still stunned about the WDW Monorail fatality.

agnes!
 
That was thought of the DC Metro driver killed in our recent crash, but it was not the case. The Metro crash was the result of a faulty track monitoring system, which reported the track to be clear when it was not. I wonder if the Monorail system has a similar mechanisim?
It does have that type of safety system. Something obviously didn't work as designed.

But wouldn't the driver still see the stationary monorail?
You would think so, but conditions may have not allowed him to see the stopped train until it was too late.
 
I found this information on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Disney_World_Monorail_System

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Train safety
Safe train spacing is maintained via a moving blocklight system, referred to as MAPO, installed in the cab of each train.[4] MAPO appears in the top center of the pilot's console and looks similar to a horizontal stop light. There are three lights—green, amber, and red—and a push-button labeled "Override". The term "MAPO" itself comes directly from Walt Disney, who formed a new company to deal with Disneyland's transportation system directly from the profits made by Mary Poppins.[9]

Each monorail beam is divided into blocks based upon pylon numbering. The currently illuminated MAPO color indicates how far ahead the leading train is currently located. A green MAPO shows that the leading train is 3 or more blocks ahead, amber means 2 blocks ahead, and red indicates that the next train is in the very next block. A block is roughly between 500 and 1000 feet (about 150 and 300 m) long, although this varies. The start of each block is called a "hold point", as pilots may need to hold their trains at that location until the train ahead moves away. Guests riding in the front cab of a monorail can identify hold points by the yellow reflective tape around a pylon's number and by two yellow reflectors attached to the top outside edges of the monorail beam at that pylon.

For safety, trains must be kept at least two blocks apart during normal operation. A red MAPO indicates that train spacing has become unsafe. When a red MAPO occurs, the train's on-board computer locks out the pilot's propulsion control and applies emergency brakes. The pilot cannot resume control of the train until either the MAPO clears or the pilot presses and holds the MAPO override button.[4]

It is the pilot's responsibility to avoid a red MAPO during normal operation. When the MAPO switches from green to amber, this indicates that the monorail is approaching the train ahead. The pilot must stop the train before crossing into the next block of beam way and hence before the MAPO switches to red. Should a pilot cross the hold point and receive a red MAPO, this counts as a safety demerit against the pilot. If the pilot ever has three demerits on their record, then they will be transferred out of the monorails department and into a different role at Walt Disney World.[10]

Safety tests are performed daily to ensure that the MAPO system is working properly on each train. At the direction of the monorail station conducting the test, each train will intentionally overrun a hold point to verify that a red MAPO occurs and that the emergency brakes activate. Pilots perform tests in forward and reverse when bringing a train onto the system for the first time that day, and a forward test is again conducted mid-afternoon. The indications are called into Monorail Central with the emergency brake pressures.

A red MAPO will also occur when the pilot approaches a section of un-powered beam, a spur line, or a switch beam thrown in the direction of a spur line. Pilots must engage the MAPO override when moving trains through a switch to the spur line. MAPOs occurring due to safety tests, switching, or beam power loss do not count as demerits against the pilot.
 
I am a survivor of a head-on amtrak collision that happened in 1984 in NYC (killed six people, hundreds injured, of which I was one), so I pay attention to train stuff.

This should not have happened. That's obvious. But what bothers me, fundamentally, is that the veneer of safety and competency at Disney has now been shown to be just that: a veneer.

I've ridden in the front of the trains and talked to the "drivers", and the driver isn't the first or even second line of defense for those vehicles; they're controlled (according to the drivers) by a central transportation center.

I'm willing to bet that the driver either fell asleep at the wheel or had a heart attack. In either of those situations the transportation control center should still retain control of the vehicle.

They obviously did not.

This makes me very, very upset. What else is going on behind the scenes at Disney that we take for granted is safe and well run, and in fact is just waiting for an incident like this?

How many times am I going to go on Mission:Space with my ten year old and trust that the machines that generate enough energy to pull six gee's have a first and second line of defense that are working properly?

I think this is a big wake up call for Disney that they need to re-focus on core values and keep their castmembers and guests safe first.

I don't look at this as an "isolated incident", and people may say, hey, it's never happened before, but I look at it as a symptom of a sickness that's finally popped the surface at Disney.

They need to not try and cover this up, they need to fix what's wrong, imo...
 
It's interesting that the driver can override the safety system.
 
The monorails move at a top speed of 40mph. If this accident did happen near EPCOT, we all know that this stretch of track is one where top speed is regularly reached. My first guess would be that the track system failed to notify the driver of the stopped monorail before it was too late to stop the train safely.
 












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