Brazilian tour groups...aaargh!

[2poohbears]

well...i just read online that brazilian school holidays are from dec until ash wednesday, which this year is on FEB 25th. now i'm worried. dh is not going to be happy with this news...

 

[Disneyadore]

Brazilians are just loud people who enjoy life. The culture there is different than it is here. If you went there, they would probably say that you were rude too.

I’m sorry but this is no reason to misbehave in a foreign country.

Being in Rome ……….
I com from a country that has a real bad smell in the rest of the world.
We have the name of being penny biters, cheap skates and the sayings :” D……. treat ore going D…… are especially made for us.
( no name calling mods )

And you know? This is the plain truth. We just avoid tipping, we avoid paying for anything if possible, we just load our bags full of stuff from a free breakfast so we don’t have to buy food fore the rest of the WHOLE day.

Do I agree? NO !!! .
I don’t live up to these “standards” , I’m very ashamed about this all.

If somebody ask me where I live I just tell them I’m from Sweden. Being blond and blue-eyes that no problem.

BTW I find the American people amazing polity and understanding.

 

[goofy4prez]

I'm heading out the door now and on the way to the airport. I guess I'll find out first hand if there are problems with any tour group of any origin when I get down there.

 

[n2mm]

Just got home last night and the tour groups are everywhere. It was nothing to see 10 or more groups at each park. While I can avoid them I just can't stand that they have to ride everything together. We all had to wait at sorin while they waited for an entire section to empty out so that they could all ride together. (I wouldn't want to be on that ride then as they can be quite disruptive.) BTW, they are not only in WDW, we went to Universal for the day and they are there too.

 

[MelissathePooh]

We were there Jan 15 - 22 and saw multiple groups. They were certainly enthusiastic, but we didn't encounter anything that affected us negatively. As for the fast passes - they have every right to get fast passes and its much easier for 1 person to get them then the whole group in line.

I do have to say that my husband told me he ended up in the middle of a group on Splash with our son. His comment to me was "I guess calling out someone's name and flipping them off is still popular in any teenage culture", not appropriate at all, but nothing I haven't seen by hundreds of teens of every nationality before.

 

[mark_o_2005]

Completely selfish, inconsiderate and rude. And it's not just some of them - it's all of them.

I can only read this post . . .and shake my head. Do you really believe that an entire nation of people can be quantified like that?

 

[JPN4265]

This may be true but it is not something that should be tolerated or looked the other way by WDW. Unruleness, and line jumping should be handled severely in order for this to stop. Guests who choose to be respectful, don't line jump, or inflict bodily harm on another guest deserve the opportunity to enjoy their vacation. They should not feel intimidated by any thugs. WDW in no way should allow their safety and enjoyment to be infringed on.

When I was in college I worked at Cedar Point(Ohio) for two summers during my break. They did not tolerate unruliness or line hopping at all. If caught you were removed from the park, were not permitted to return for the day, and did not receive a single penny back as a refund. In fact there were signs posted reminding them this would not be tolerated. Perhaps this is the same approach that WDW should do.

I agree that the tour groups are extremely ill mannered and only care about themselves. They know that nothing can be done to them.

In short, all Disney cares about is the money. They do not enforce the rules. They don't even enforce the non-smoking policy in the parks.

I hate to say it, but until we all start complaining to every CM we run into, nothing is going to change.

 

[ton80]

DOES ANYBODY KNOW IF THESE HORDES WILL BE BACK IN SCHOOL
MARCH 7-14? YIKES??????????

BWV 3/09

 

[disneyjunkie]

It's amazing how Americans are not allowed to criticize any other nationality these days.

Criticize whomever you want. But let's not pretend our kids are perfect and would never act this way.

Do a search of on Pop Warner - SOME American kids can and do behave just as badly as the tour groups. Each December we have thread after thread complaining about the football players and cheerleaders.

It's not about race or nationality. The problem is a lack of supervision.

I can only read this post . . .and shake my head. Do you really believe that an entire nation of people can be quantified like that?

 

[DanenRox]

In Brazil, due to the Law of Directives and Bases of Brazilian Education, the academic year must have 200 days, both at schools and at universities. The school year usually begins during the first week of February. There is a 3-week long winter break in July. The Brazilian school year ends in December, summer in Brazil.I found that online. I didn't read through this entire thread so forgive me if this is duplicate information. We were in WDW Jan 10-Jan 16 and saw several groups of tours in each park each day. They were essentially a group of kids, no better/worse behaved than any other group of kids on vacation, without parents, in a very cool place. Now granted, it's hard to like anybody's kids but your own, particularly when they're excited and obnoxious. Honestly, we didn't witness any aggressive or dangerous behaviors by these groups. Our only observations were that when the groups walk towards you, they don't alter their course one bit to accomodate passers-by. The only real inconvenience the groups caused us was when we were behind a person getting 70 fast passes. That said, I'm sure all of what's been posted has been going on and the responsibility totally falls on Disney to figure out how to accomodate these groups while insuring other vacationers a "vacation of a lifetime". In the future, I will pay attention to tour group vacation dates, just like I do cheerleading groups, US school vacations, Jersey week, etc. Maybe it's time to say goodbye to Disney in January. (they weather kinda stinks in January anyway!).

 

[Belle1962]

Wow--I must have run into the only group of sweet girls on a trip my grandson and I took one year in Feb. We were on Kali River Rapids and the girls were put into the boat my grandson and I were in. They didn't speak much English, I speak no Spanish but my grandson's second language is Spanish. They were high spirited and singing and clapping but that just added to my grandson's enjoyment--as he sang and clapped along with them. At the end of the ride they each hugged him and looked at me and said "cute" pointing at him.

That being said--I have never really been bothered by the large groups--not sure if we are just zigging when they are zagging or what but I have been aggravated far more by smaller groups trying to squeeze into my personal space for parades and shows; pushing through a line or coming to a dead stop in front of me and then blaming me when we have a collision or flat out pushing and shoving us aside.

However--I do believe all of the above happens and not just with these tour groups, but as it does with any large group. I travel with cheerleaders---they can get quite high spirited at times also with their chanting and cheering. So I try to have a little more tolerance with the teens and larger groups. HOWEVER--if they were destroying property or rudely shoving I would have no problem speaking up. Whether they understand me or not (a "mom's voice and tone" are pretty much the same in any language )

 

[DeblovesPoohbear]

Thanks for that^^, I am so printing that out!

I guess they think they can get away with that behavior beacuse there are
like 5 million of them, and just your little puney family.
It's really unaccepable, and sad really

 

[jennipooh]

Who doesn't hate a large group? Only the people in that large group. No one ever wants to be behind a group in any sort of line. Picture 5 families of 4 in line to the right and 1 group of 20 in line to the left, who are you going to join? Same number of people, but the difference is the people in the line to the left are a group (a force) and that is just naturally intimidating and for some reason irritating. And when you see them around the park all you can think is "please don't be headed to MY attraction". I don't care if it is a group of Brazillian teens or a group of clergy (please, don't be in line before me!). I'm just more special than you, really, I am

As a swim coach, I have known many teenaged Brazilians as they strive to get scholarships in the US. They are just like American teenagers...they're loud, they eat too much and they are always trying to impress one another. One thing to remember about teenagers is that they are still kids. In the teenage years something goes amuck with your impulse control, not to mention hormones and in general kids that age feel like anything they do is just plain cool...and acceptable...and they are still the center of the universe in their own minds, so they do not even notice those of you who are so irritated by being around them! ...it's true!

BTW,when given appropriate expectations teenagers, generally behave themselves. A good leader is what teenagers need to guide them and keep them in line. Blame their guides (who seemed pretty close to being teenagers themselves, when I saw them! so that might be the problem). If these teens are acting up and causing problems, then blame anyone in a leadership capacity, such as CM's and Park management.

I suggest going directly to guest services in the park when there is a problem and talking to them. If enough people complain, then Disney will know that it is a problem and act accordingly. If they are not told of the problem, then they cannot act. If there is a documented problem with these groups and it is handled appropriately then there is no need for Disney to worry about these groups not visiting, because when given a choice of whether to control their groups are not be allowed to travel to Disney, I'm sure the tourgroups would tighten up. Who do you think has the upper hand here, the large corporate giant, Disney or the small Brazillian travel groups?..

We were just at Disney Dec. 08 and I do not recall seeing any tour groups of any kind. (It was an uncrowded week ) On only one trip to Disney did we notice several large groups of Brazillian teenagers and that was June-July '07. My son (then 8yo) loves teenagers (probably because I work with so many teens and they are always so good to him!) and when he noticed them speaking Portuguese, right away he shouted "hey Brazilians!" We followed some onto the fp return line at Splash Mountain where they moved so quickly that they were loading by the time we worked our way up there and another day we followed a group onto the Rockin' Roller Coaster fp return line. On RRC ds got to talk to them in line and loved it, one of the girls spoke the best English and so she talked to him the most.

Seriously, once you engage them, you will find that they are just like any other group of teens. So I guess you have to have a tolerence for teens in order to put up with them.

As for the fastpass distribution lines, I have seen plenty of people fumbling through stacks of tickets for their family groups. It is always especially irritating when they send the one person in the family that cannot understand complicated machinery. You put it in, you wait for it to come out...what they hey, people!!!??!!

And as for knocking people down and pushing, we didn't witness that, but if it happens then it should be reported immediately and dealt with immediately. If they really are harming guests or potentially harming guests, I would think that Disney would deal with it right away, just to avoid a lawsuit. They are such a big target for a lawsuit and allowing guests to be pushed around by other guests does not sound prudent.

We also did not witness line jumping (but they do walk briskly and there is just no way to beat them if you see them headed to "your attraction" - man they were in shape when we saw them!)

 

[frisco]

There is nobody to blame for these tour groups other than Disney. They have been made WELL aware of these groups, know full well the disrupt they cause at the parks, and care so little for their guests experience, but so much for the all mighty dollar, that they don't lay the law down on these people.

Lack of breeding as the Brazilians seem to have is one thing. Complete ignorance and unwillingness to take action on Disney's part is intolerable, in my opinion.

 

[dogodisney]

We were there over Christmas and couldn't escape one group! I was sitting down on the curb for a place for Block Party at DHS and was PUSHED out of the way by this woman (who I later noticed in the tour group). A very kind family made room for us begind them so my kids could still see. The nice woman must have seen this (being that it was directly across the street) because she made a comment about the woman's nationality and being with a tour group. I don't like to stereotype, but the teens that were in the parks and staying at ASSp to preform in the Capital Bowl were 100 times more behaved than those in the tour groups. I also, don't know that is has to do with nationality...more the tour group mentality.

I was hoping they wouldn't tour in Dec. When we were at Disney in June 06, they were obnoxious.

 

[SnyderFam]

I can only read this post . . .and shake my head. Do you really believe that an entire nation of people can be quantified like that?

That's not what I said at all, is it? The discussion is not about Brazil. It's about WDW. I have travelled all over the world and my impression is that people are kind just about anywhere you go. Our impression from past years is also that the Brazilian teenagers who come to WDW with large groups are rude, inconsiderate and selfish. That's what I said and I don't think anyone else assumed as much as you did.

 

[SnyderFam]

Criticize whomever you want. But let's not pretend our kids are perfect and would never act this way.

Do a search of on Pop Warner - SOME American kids can and do behave just as badly as the tour groups. Each December we have thread after thread complaining about the football players and cheerleaders.

It's not about race or nationality. The problem is a lack of supervision.

But we're not here discussing Pop Warner. I don't see Brazilian kids at Pop Warner games. We're talking about WDW and this thread is speficially about the Brazilian kids who tend to ruin the experience for anyone close to them. No general classifications are being made here about any nationality, nor are we talking about American children's behavior.

 

[SnyderFam]

I keep seeing suggestions to go directly to Guest Relations at the parks and complain to them and it's hard to argue with that logic. But I keep imaging getting there and sounding like a fool. Since I've never used Guest Relations before, what is the exerience like? Do they input your complaint in a computer or record it in some other way?

Even with many complaints, as others have mentioned, what is Disney going to do? Tell huge, free-spending Brazilian groups that they can't come anymore? Maybe at the very least they'd make it know to those in charge about all the complaints?

 

[CanadianGuy]

Since we've now arrived bashing the entire nation of Brazil - who can I certifiably say are NOT as bad collectively as "some" of their youth on a wild trip abroad...

If you say "I won't bother writing or complaining to Disney" cause they won't do anything. You're right!

If YOU don't do anything.. NEITHER will Disney and NOTHING will get done.

What can Disney do? They can start by ejecting trouble makers of ANY nationality from the parks with no refunds. They can expand it further by if they are making trouble at the parks, they are ejected from Disney resorts - again no refunds. If this happens a few times, the groups will get the message when they have to start finding new hotel rooms on extremely short notice or booking 48 flights home TODAY instead of five days from now.

But.. If YOU don't do anything.. NEITHER will Disney and NOTHING will get done.

This thread is closed.

Knox