Brawl at Test Track-Epcot

[Goofy_Disney_Dad]

Works pretty well in criminal court in Florida. Not sure about civil court though...

I see what you did there.

 

[chicagodisneyfan]

You're kidding right? People sue over hot coffee, not enough character time, being "disrespected"...The kind of people who act like this at the Happiest Place On Earth would very likely sue for his "aggression" and "unwanted touching".

I wish you would research facts before throwing out the hot coffee case. 3rd degree burns and one week hospital stay for skin grafts. All this woman asked for was $20,000 and McDonalds said NO. You should not use this case as a frivolous example.

 

[Goofy_Disney_Dad]

I wish you would research facts before throwing out the hot coffee case. 3rd degree burns and one week hospital stay for skin grafts. All this woman asked for was $20,000 and McDonalds said NO. You should not use this case as a frivolous example.

I agree that anyone who actually researched that case would have a different opinion if they thought that lawsuit was frivolous.

 

[Goofy_Disney_Dad]

This should clear that up a bit:

 

[FeralCatRogue]

I'm curious about what was said about CM training, your not even given basic NCI training to keep yourselves safe? I was required to be trained in it to keep myself safe to work in schools that are self contained I'd think in a place with that many people they should at least give the CM's that short training if they don't already :/

 

[Art 1]

So let me get this straight; you would prefer that they just break up a fight in a crowded, public area and then simply say "Run along now, you've got it all out of your system."?

Yes.

 

[3DisneyFanz]

Very true.

Of course, there might be many Goofy hats to contend with, so who knows?

We might be a bit cynical now but my wife's initial comment to the video was "That's the first time I've ever seen someone wearing one of those hats outside of the gift shop. She was probably mad about how hot her head was in that thing."

 

[rucifee]

All of the cattle pen herding rides (TT, HM, ToT, etc.) are all nightmares. The jockeying for position is especially bad at ToT where people enter the library last try to shove across the room to the release door.

They packed so many people into the HM loading queue Sunday that it was an absolute nightmare, if there wasn't a backpack in front of me I would have been much closer to the man in front of me than I would have liked, I was literally squished between his backpack and the people behind us. I could smell the other people's breath behind me they were so close. That didn't stop the foreign tourists from forcing their way through the crowd though, I feel bad for the poor kid and his mother, I didn't mean to squish them but the father was trying to pull them through so hard that they got stuck between me and the guard rail. We were packed that close together, it was just awful. I'll never go on HM again after that, I could not believe how tightly packed we all were in there, it was such an awful experience!

 

[Rhombus]

All of the cattle pen herding rides (TT, HM, ToT, etc.) are all nightmares. The jockeying for position is especially bad at ToT where people enter the library last try to shove across the room to the release door.

We're planning to use the single rider line at Test Track to avoid this issue. We don't care about designing cars, and don't care that we'll most likely be split up.

But yeah, those rooms in TOT and HM are a PITA.

 

[littleblackegg]

I'm curious about what was said about CM training, your not even given basic NCI training to keep yourselves safe? I was required to be trained in it to keep myself safe to work in schools that are self contained I'd think in a place with that many people they should at least give the CM's that short training if they don't already :/

It's a slippery, expensive slope. If you, as my employee, need to protect yourself and others at work, I, as your employer, need to provide you with the necessary training and paperwork and insurance, right? I am also acknowledging your job is dangerous enough that you might need this level of protection and skill. You see where I am going with this? I am going to have to compensate you commensurate with your level of risk. I can't get away with paying you $9.00 an hour once I acknowledge your job requires you might have to physically defend yourself.

 

[asta]

All of the cattle pen herding rides (TT, HM, ToT, etc.) are all nightmares. The jockeying for position is especially bad at ToT where people enter the library last try to shove across the room to the release door.

I agree. On our recent trip we decided to try something different in all of these type rides. We tried to be the last people out of the pen. It was amazing how much happier we were. We just stood back and let the rooms empty. I felt like it made little difference in the time we got on the ride vehicles. The only one that did not work was Haunted Mansion because the next room released while we were still trying to narrow down to board. That room came pushing into our backsides before we could narrow down.

 

[Goofy_Disney_Dad]

It's a slippery, expensive slope. If you, as my employee, need to protect yourself and others at work, I, as your employer, need to provide you with the necessary training and paperwork and insurance, right? I am also acknowledging your job is dangerous enough that you might need this level of protection and skill. You see where I am going with this? I am going to have to compensate you commensurate with your level of risk. I can't get away with paying you $9.00 an hour once I acknowledge your job requires you might have to physically defend yourself.

There are trainer positions within Disney that have NCI Training experience as a requirement, but I'm almost positive that has to do with the types of jobs where that level of training is required. I agree with you that NCI training would not be a strong requirement for a ride attendant, and would result in more problems than it's worth, both legal and otherwise.

 

[Rhombus]

They packed so many people into the HM loading queue Sunday that it was an absolute nightmare, if there wasn't a backpack in front of me I would have been much closer to the man in front of me than I would have liked, I was literally squished between his backpack and the people behind us. I could smell the other people's breath behind me they were so close. That didn't stop the foreign tourists from forcing their way through the crowd though, I feel bad for the poor kid and his mother, I didn't mean to squish them but the father was trying to pull them through so hard that they got stuck between me and the guard rail. We were packed that close together, it was just awful. I'll never go on HM again after that, I could not believe how tightly packed we all were in there, it was such an awful experience!

That happened to us once as well. The ride itself went down for perhaps 7 to 8 minutes, but they kept releasing guests from the stretch rooms into the loading area. CMs were shouting for people to move forward, but after a while, there was literally no place to move. They need to stop loading the stretch rooms when the ride goes down. Poor policy and/or communication all around that day.

 

[FeralCatRogue]

It's a slippery, expensive slope. If you, as my employee, need to protect yourself and others at work, I, as your employer, need to provide you with the necessary training and paperwork and insurance, right? I am also acknowledging your job is dangerous enough that you might need this level of protection and skill. You see where I am going with this? I am going to have to compensate you commensurate with your level of risk. I can't get away with paying you $9.00 an hour once I acknowledge your job requires you might have to physically defend yourself.

There are trainer positions within Disney that have NCI Training experience as a requirement, but I'm almost positive that has to do with the types of jobs where that level of training is required. I agree with you that NCI training would not be a strong requirement for a ride attendant, and would result in more problems than it's worth, both legal and otherwise.

Thanks, it made me curious considering how volatile people can get when in high stress situations.

 

[rucifee]

That happened to us once as well. The ride itself went down for perhaps 7 to 8 minutes, but they kept releasing guests from the stretch rooms into the loading area. CMs were shouting for people to move forward, but after a while, there was literally no place to move. They need to stop loading the stretch rooms when the ride goes down. Poor policy and/or communication all around that day.

All it will take is some jerk kid yelling "gun" as a stupid prank for the stampede to begin and everyone in that room to get hurt. No thanks, I'm out. We also normally hang back and let the room empty whenever we can as someone else mentioned doing because the battle to get to the ride first is just silly, but that's not possible on HM.

 

[Kalliope]

I agree. On our recent trip we decided to try something different in all of these type rides. We tried to be the last people out of the pen. It was amazing how much happier we were. We just stood back and let the rooms empty. I felt like it made little difference in the time we got on the ride vehicles. The only one that did not work was Haunted Mansion because the next room released while we were still trying to narrow down to board. That room came pushing into our backsides before we could narrow down.

At TT in the design room, that means you are impeding all the people behind you, who are then trying to dodge the group across from them trying to file out at the same time.

 

[DizBelle]

The good Samaritan law would have prevented me (personally) from being sued by the boy's family. It would not have prevented me from being fired. If the situation would have actually happened, they absolutely could have (and would have) fired me for disobeying company policy.

Getting fired from a part time, minumum wage job would not have been the end of the world for me.

I think the good samaratin laws would protect you from a successful lawsuit. But you would still have to deal with the headache, drama, and expense of a courtroom visit.

 

[rucifee]

At TT in the design room, that means you are impeding all the people behind you, who are then trying to dodge the group across from them trying to file out at the same time.

Not really, either way someone has to leave the room last. Making the conscious decision to be the person/people who fall in line last doesn't slow anything down. Rode it a few weeks back and we were last out, and were still out before anyone else got to their design station.

 

[Kalliope]

Not really, either way someone has to leave the room last. Making the conscious decision to be the person/people who fall in line last doesn't slow anything down. Rode it a few weeks back and we were last out, and were still out before anyone else got to their design station.

If you aren't at one of the last design stations, you're making other people go around you. We rode it last week and there really isn't enough room between the 2 rows of design stations to go around people.

 

[rucifee]

If you aren't at one of the last design stations, you're making other people go around you. We rode it last week and there really isn't enough room between the 2 rows of design stations to go around people.

We don't rush into the room either, there's plenty of room available to let everyone swarm to the front stations and then take the last one. Go into the design station, slide to the left, wait, take the station you're standing next to. Last out after you're done, and no drama.