Bothered by Political Signatures

Originally posted by wvrevy
Thanks for the attempt at reading my mind, but you'd be better off sticking to tarot cards :rolleyes:

Half this thread is attacking me...I'm not allowed to defend myself ?

I don't know, wvrevy: I like to think that maybe some of the ire is directed at me, too?!?!?!

;)
 
I was thinking about this issue for awhile. Almost anything can be turned into a political statement if you think about it. What if I had a "Save the Whales" logo or a "Red Cross" emblem on here? I'm sure that someone could find a reason to find those things politically motivated or offensive, in some off hand bizarre way.

I've been seeing a lot of bumper stickers that are very anti-Bush. Maybe that is really just a reflection of our times. Maybe the stickers are getting meaner because people are really much more irritated with this administration, than the previous ones. Aren't the attitudes that we share in our little microcosm just a reflection of the greater population, to a certain extent?:D
 
Well, I would agree with minniepumpernickel that just about anything can be turned into a political statement about something. While going to lunch I saw a number of amusing bumper stickers about both Kerry and Bush. The message behind those bumper stickers doesn't bother me, just as signatures on here that express political opinions don't bother me. The world would be a very boring place if everyone agreed with me ;)
 
Originally posted by wvrevy
Thanks for the attempt at reading my mind, but you'd be better off sticking to tarot cards :rolleyes:

Half this thread is attacking me...I'm not allowed to defend myself ?

Yeah, sure...I just love reading people's minds...I guess you're the one that should stick to the tarot cards..:rolleyes:

And yes, you are if you're doing it in a nicer fashion
 

Originally posted by wvrevy
I don't disrespect the office, I disrespect the man holding that office, and those that he surrounds himself with

Remember all the "respect" for President Clinton from many Republicans just a few short years ago? Oh yeah :rolleyes: , this is different in what way.....?

I try very hard to choose my words very carefully because there are some perfectly lovely Republicans on this board and I don't want to offend them. But if truth be told, I have no respect for our president. A wvrevy said, for the office yes, for the man, no.

And yet, when a lack of respect is being shown for our future President Kerry, I will do my best to be tolerant!:D
 
I DO NOT open the political threads. I've made up my mind - I don't need the rise in my BP!

(BTW - I didn't read the replies to this thread either. just commenting.)
 
arminnie, quit making me look at that picture!!! :crazy2: Just kidding! I just wanted to clear up what I said about your picture. Yes, I was referring to you, but I didn’t say I don’t like YOU, I just don’t like that guy you’re with! I actually think it’s cool that you have a picture of yourself with the President and I don’t fault you for using the picture in your signature. Hey, I even have a picture of myself with him but mine is a fake one (he’s a cardboard cutout – I like him better that way) that I had taken at one of his inaugural parties. I’ve just never liked the man. I actually have to turn my head when he’s on TV. Personal problem I guess!
 
Originally posted by wvrevy
Since so many posts seem to be aimed at me on this thread, I'll address it. I once had a political ad in my sig, and deleted it in favor of a picture of my daughter. Well, one of the people I disagree with on the political threads apparently decided that my signature was too big, so they reported it (it was, but only slightly, and it could have been handled a helluva lot better). Upon my next trip to these boards, I found the same person with their signature insulting Democrats, so I changed mine to what you see below.
Hey wvrevy! :wave2: On two occassions, I got an e-mail from the mods telling me my sig was too big so I just adjusted it (with the help of jfulcer). Nothing political about Pete. Not sure what he adjusted cause it looks the same to me. :confused:

I was so excited to finally see a pic of Elora (I remember you couldn't get it to work on the Post a Pic thread) and I posted on a couple of threads how cute she was. Unfortunately, due to the nature of those threads, both were deleted after I posted. :o

Anyhoo, why not have both like you did before? Just get one of the techies on the Tech Board to help. ;)

I have to admit, my first reaction to your sig was "What the hell!?" (Bush) :mad: and then "Awwwww! What a cutie!" (Elora). :love: :teeth: :p
 
One thing this thread points out is that it is near impossible to find anyone saying what they like about Senator Kerry rather than what they dislike about President Bush. I guess it's because he has not done anything yet.
 
Great point vacationman and I live in Massachusetts and couldn't have said it better.
 
Originally posted by vacationman
One thing this thread points out is that it is near impossible to find anyone saying what they like about Senator Kerry rather than what they dislike about President Bush. I guess it's because he has not done anything yet.

I guess many of us do feel an alarming sense of "get that guy out of office to at any cost", but personally, I like Kerry. I grew up during the Vietnam era and find it amazing that he served and then protested. I am completely at a loss when anyone finds fault with anything to do with his service to our country.

I am totally at a loss when people say he has not been consistant with his comments about Iraq. If the current administration had been more forthcoming about the facts over there, perhaps we could all have made better judgements of it in the first place. After
9/11 we were most of us ready to give GWB the benefit of the doubt and follow him. It's only been with time that many of us have seen that this was a mistake.

On the isues, Kerry and I are pretty much in line. (Except for things like the death penalty and I better not hold my breath for a candidate who agrees with me on that.) Bush and I have never been. He has the experience in domestic and foreign policy that is needed, and heck, I just have a good feeling about him.

I have a choice: Vote for the guy who I don't think has done a good job or the guy with no experience in the job but has the same values that I have -- who do you think I'd like better?
 
I agree with what Aunt Polly said. I also think the John Kerry has far better diplomatic skills that GWB has and is very intelligent. I think both of these traits are neccesary to hold the highest office in the land.
 
Originally posted by CLynnJones
I agree with what Aunt Polly said. I also think the John Kerry has far better diplomatic skills that GWB has and is very intelligent. I think both of these traits are neccesary to hold the highest office in the land.

I agree 100% with the intelligent part -- when did our country become so anti-intellectual? I would think that this should be one of our main concerns -- how smart the guy is!
 
Great comments!

I think we all agree on one thing - MAY THE BEST MAN WIN!
 
Aloha!:earsgirl:
Just had to include this article (sorry, it's long) for poohnpiglet3 and anyone else who doesn't realize, "THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING !"

By RANDALL RICHARD, AP National Writer

NEW YORK - When decision time comes this fall, the real swing votes in
the 2004 presidential election may not come from Pennsylvania, Ohio or
even the notorious Florida. The ultimate Bush-Kerry battleground may
turn out to be somewhere more far-flung and unexpected - Israel,
Britain, even Indonesia.

And both political camps say they are getting ready for the fight,
courting American voters who are living overseas and taking no chances
that the expatriate vote will undermine them at the finish line.

Although an official census has never been taken, between 4 million
and 10 million American citizens are believed to be living abroad.
Those over 18 are entitled to have their absentee votes counted in the
state where they last lived - no matter how long ago that was. And
many are planning to do just that.

"There's enormous interest abroad, because the whole of the world
depends on the result," said Phyllis Earl, 72, who lives in Britain
and has not voted in a U.S. election since 1956, two years after she
moved overseas.

Overseas voters are considered particularly important this year. Polls
suggest razor-thin margins in several battleground states, and votes
coming in from abroad - a score here, a dozen there - could
well tip the balance.

Contrary to widespread belief, it was more likely American voters in
Israel, not Florida, who put George W. Bush in the White House four
years ago - a phenomenon that has Kerry's supporters in Israel
vowing to do whatever it takes to make certain that doesn't happen
again in November.

Kerry's sister Diana speaks several languages and has been using them
all in campaign swings throughout Europe. Sharon Manitta, spokeswoman
for the group Democrats Abroad, said Kerry supporters have been active
in "overseas outreach efforts" in Europe, Indonesia, Mexico and even
Iran. In 2000, the organization had 30 overseas chapters; now it has a
presence in 73 countries - including an Iraq (news - web sites)
chapter called "Donkeys in the Desert."

Bush, too, has advocates chasing the overseas vote on his behalf,
according to Ryan King, deputy director of Republicans Abroad, which
has chapters in 50 countries. Among those crossing the oceans for Bush
this fall are former Vice President Dan Quayle (news - web sites) and
George P. Bush, son of the president's brother, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush.

"Be an expatriate patriot," says an ad planned by Republicans Abroad
that also quotes former President Ronald Reagan (news - web sites):
"We cannot play innocents abroad in a world that is not innocent."

After Labor Day, Republicans Abroad also plans campaign ads on the
president's behalf in the International Herald Tribune and in Stars
and Stripes, a newspaper with wide distribution among the estimated
300,000 to 400,000 U.S. military personnel serving abroad.

Those who doubt that Americans living abroad could tip the balance in
2004 might consider this: Various chads aside, Al Gore (news - web
sites) received 202 more votes than George W. Bush on Election Day
2000 in Florida. Only after all the overseas votes were counted,
including more than 12,000 from Israel alone, was Bush's election
victory certified. The margin was 537 votes.

In 2000, according to King, Israel was one of the keys to Bush's
success. No other foreign country's U.S. citizens contributed more to
Bush's narrow Florida victory, he said.

Harvard Professor Gary King, co-compiler of a survey analyzing
Florida's overseas vote in 2000, has no doubt that expatriate
Americans gave Bush his victory four years ago. And while it's unclear
whether the vote from Israel alone was enough to put Bush over the
top, 185,000 U.S. citizens live there - an undetermined number
from Florida.

Mark Zober, chairman of Democrats Abroad in Israel, said he has no
firm figures but estimates that roughly 100,000 Americans in Israel
are eligible to vote in the upcoming U.S. election, and that roughly
14,000 were registered in 2000.

But how could Israeli Jews give Bush his margin of victory when Jewish
Democrats outnumber Jewish Republicans by a wide margin in the United
States? Both Zober and Ryan King think they know the answer.

Zober sees little doubt that the Jewish vote in New York state heavily
favored Gore. But in the 2000 presidential election, Zober points out,
it made no difference how Israeli immigrants from New York voted. All
that mattered was how expatriates from Florida cast their ballots.

Israel is home to roughly 6,000 former Floridians - expatriates
who tend to be more conservative than Jewish voters in New York and
many of whom voted for Bush in the last election, Zober said.

Additionally, he said in a telephone interview from his office in Tel
Aviv, many Israeli-Americans who might have voted for Gore if they
were living in the United States voted for Bush because they
considered him an unflinching supporter of Israel.

Once in Israel, Zober said, Jewish voters are no longer guided by a
presidential candidate's position on domestic issues. Instead, he
said, they vote for whoever they think will serve Israel's interests.
Even this year, Zober acknowledged, many American-Israelis are still
inclined "to vote for the devil they know instead of the one they
don't."

No statistics exist to predict definitively whether Americans in
Israel will play such an important role this November. But Marc Zell,
chairman of Republicans Abroad's Israel chapter, is taking no chances.

Zell said his group has about 150 volunteers who aggressively started
registering potential Bush voters a few months ago. As the election
nears, he said, they will be holding "parlor sessions" at their homes
to discuss Bush's support for Israel and will probably take out
pro-Bush ads in Israel's English-language newspapers.

The Democrat group, meanwhile, is hoping to show American-Israelis
that their adopted home is no safer today than before the war in Iraq
and that Kerry is no less a friend to Israel than Bush.

Israel is hardly the only country Bush and Kerry supporters are
turning to for votes. Registration drives are under way in countries
across Europe, Asia and Latin America. And in Britain, home to an
estimated 224,000 American expatriates, voter interest is greater than
ever, according to Democrats and Republicans alike.

Timothy Spangler, who heads Britain's branch of Republicans Abroad,
said chief Bush political adviser Karl Rove has come to London on the
president's behalf, as have Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Energy Secretary
Spencer Abraham (news - web sites). This fall, Republicans Abroad
plans to take advantage of voter interest by sending representatives
to register voters at businesses that employ many Americans.

Democrats in Britain are doing much the same thing, registering
expatriates who have been living there for decades as nonvoters.
Manitta said her group has set up a booth outside her local movie
house in Salisbury, about 85 miles southwest of London, to register
potential Kerry voters leaving Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9-11".

Earl, who moved to London in 1954, will vote this year for only the
second time in her life - not because she wants to, she says, but
because she's afraid of what might happen if she doesn't cast her
ballot against incumbents who she feels "don't have the interest of
the country at heart."

"The situation is desperate," Earl said. "For me, it reached a
critical point. I just felt I had to vote."
 
Just saw this thread.

I just ignore the politics in the siggies. I believe in casting a secret ballot, so I'll never publicize who I'm voting for.
 
Great thread. I so agree with the original poster. As one of the few that is still undecided the negative banners either attacking Bush or attacking Kerry are a real turn off for me. Makes me want to vote for the other candadate. Their negative banner is a real turn off. I wonder if they understand that.
 
One thing this thread points out is that it is near impossible to find anyone saying what they like about Senator Kerry rather than what they dislike about President Bush. I guess it's because he has not done anything yet.

There are several reasons that I like Kerry:

1) I think his plans focus more for the good of everyone rather then the elite few. There was a great article at MSNBC.com the other day saying the gap between the Have's and the Have's Not is getting wider and wider. And that the tax changes that President Bush made benefitted the rich and severly hurt the middle class. It put the middle class in higher tax brackets which actually causes them to pay more even though they make the same amount of money. I am not only interested in this because I am middle class - but also because as the gap widens we will start to see our economy become less and less unstable.

2) I am very concerned about health care for a number of reasons. After reading through both candidates thoughts on the issue I tend to side with Kerry more. The focus needs to be on lessing the cost of this.

3) I have always been concerned about our environment - and while I haven't read up on Bush's stance on the issue - I do know that Democrats tend to be more involved in this then Republicans.

4) I like the fact that Kerry does not preach about his religion. Now I am also Christian but as I've said before - any politician that is more interested in pleasing his religion rather then doing the good for the majority is a leader I worry about, no matter what political party they belong to.

~Amanda
 












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