Born Again Christians Thread-No Bashing please

[cardaway]

I am not directing it at anyone......the verse speaks for itself. If you look back at the original post that I mentioned this verse in.......I said that it saddens me to know what the end is.

Just who do you think you're kidding? You're not the first to play the "it's not a personal attack, I didn't use a name, and I'm only quoting a book" game.

This Psalm (Chapter 14 in whole) could be dedicated to the atheist.

But the joke's on you. I'm not a Christian, but I'm also not an athiest.

 

[live4christp1]

I know whom the verse is into reference to with regard to the Bible, I just wasn't sure why you were pointing it out now on this thread.

Some people you may think don't recognize God are actually just struggling with their spirituality.

That is why in the original post I also pointed out what we were instructed in Romans as far as people who might speak unkindly of us. It wasn't my intention to me calling ANYONE names, that is why I said I would not quote the verse here.

I myself have many lost family & friends.......the spirit in me trembles when I think about what awaits them and knowing that when they breath their last......it is forever to late.......it won't matter to God whether the believed in Him or not or in what regards they held His word. My heart breaks for my brother, for DH's sisters & mom, for aunts, uncles, cousins.........

That is what I was saying in the original post. Guess I just jumped in with that topic in the middle of something else (was responding to a topic another poster brought up several pages ago (sorry I can't remember the name) about being called names on other threads). I apologize if it was taken as saying something else......or that I was targeting someone, as I was not. But I will not apologize for the Word of God.......it is supposed to pierce, even the hearts of those of us who are believers. Hebrews 4:12-13 says "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing assunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do."

**** His word is quick (living). This word is first in the Greek and is the emphasis. God's Word is not old or archaic; it is alive. It is not inept or inactive; it is powerful (active). It reaches into the inner secrets of man's mind to discern even his thoughts and intents. Likewise, God's eye sees man as though he were naked, unable to hide behind excuse or pretense. *****

 

[cardaway]

That is why in the original post I also pointed out what we were instructed in Romans as far as people who might speak unkindly of us. It wasn't my intention to me calling ANYONE names, that is why I said I would not quote the verse here.

Your tactics are transparent and a disgrace to other Chsitians.

 

[live4christp1]

Just who do you think you're kidding? You're not the first to play the "it's not a personal attack, I didn't use a name, and I'm only quoting a book" game.



But the joke's on you. I'm not a Christian, but I'm also not an athiest.

Now see there, you have jumped to the conclusion that I was speaking to you. Actually was responding to something several pages ago and a few days back (sorry don't post on Saturday & Sunday so I am playing catch up). It wasn't in response to you, as I have skipped most of your posts as you seem to be hung up on one topic. A topic in which I don't have a problem with. Have much respect for RickinNYC and welcome discussions with him as he always does so in a respectful manner and has a sincere desire to discuss different things (he really wants to know, why we believe what we believe......he isn't here to tell us how wrong we are for the things we believe).

So sorry to burst your bubble but I in no way was directing that at you.....after the first few posts of yours I read......I just skipped the rest as I agree we have discussed this and discussed this here and on various other threads and think it is best drop it on this thread at least.

Have a blessed day!

 

[live4christp1]

Was just thinking about the poster a few pages back talking about the name calling, etc. from other non-Christian posters. Yes words can be painful for us to take but it saddens my heart for those posters doing the name calling.....made me think about the story of Elisha in II Kings Chapter 2 verses 23-24 and the bears the Lord sent to eat the kids who called Elisha bald head. We don't always see God's hand of judgement and it always doesn't come so swiftly, but it will come. The Bible says that we will be hated of men but God still does not like to be mocked IMO and Romans chapter 12 verses 17-21: Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good. **Deuteronomy 32:35 - To me belongeth vengeance, and recompense; their foot shall slide in due time; for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste. ** (This is the text Paul references in Romans)

Read Psalm Chapter 14 - I won't post it hear as I am sure I would be accused of calling some names while simply stating a verse of the Bible.

We need to pray for these people......the day our hearts become cold and hardened and don't ache any more for those who are lost is the day that we are in serious trouble. As believers we know how the story ends, and I don't wish that punishment upon anyone.......sow, tend, reap, sow, tend, reap.......IMO we are doing some major sowing here (although they probably don't agree)!!!!!

Just thought I would bump the original down for those who might have missed it, maybe this will clarify that this original post was by no means in response to the topic that it popped up in the middle of and wasn't directed at anyone......just some thoughts I had.

TIA
Cristy

 

[ead79]

I agree with Miss Jasmine. She has stated what I feel very eloquently. I in no way wish to brush hateful behavior under a rug. I have commented to those who I feel that I should comment to via PM. Trust me, I’m not pleased. I just don’t think there’s anything left for me to say about that topic. I didn’t want to give it any more emphasis than it already had by continuous responses to the OP.

 

[cardaway]

I agree with Miss Jasmine. She has stated what I feel very eloquently. I in no way wish to brush hateful behavior under a rug. I have commented to those who I feel that I should comment to via PM. Trust me, I’m not pleased. I just don’t think there’s anything left for me to say about that topic. I didn’t want to give it any more emphasis than it already had by continuous responses to the OP.

So some people get PM's and others get called out publicly?

Fits my definition of "under the rug" for sure.

 

[Buckalew11]

Well, this is confusing. Just what is it that you would like to see us say or do on this thread, Cardaway? I guess that is what I'm not sure of while reading all this.

 

[Kerlynne]

The LORD is my Rock, my Fortress, and my Savior;
my God is my Rock, in whom I find protection.
He is my Shield, the Strength of my salvation, and my Stronghold.

Psalm 18:2 (New Living Translation)

 

[live4christp1]

The LORD is my Rock, my Fortress, and my Savior;
my God is my Rock, in whom I find protection.
He is my Shield, the Strength of my salvation, and my Stronghold.

Psalm 18:2 (New Living Translation)

Thanks for sharing.....kind of fits a favorite chorus of mine:

The name of the Lord is
A strong tower
The righteous run into it
And they are saved

 

[live4christp1]

The verse I posted earlier from Hebrews Chapter 14 really got me to thinking about how none of us, Christian or not can use anything to cover the intentions of our heart or anything in our lives from God. It brought this beautiful song to mind so I thought I would share:

Jonathan Pierce - Farther Than Your Grace Can Reach

I lie awake at night and wonder
How You can still put up with me
I know I push You to the limits
Or so it seems
And I start each day with good intentions
Then fail You in a thousand ways
But still You keep forgiving me
Of the same mistakes

CHORUS:
No fault, no wrong, no dark of night
Can hide me from Your eyes
And I cannot fall or fly
Farther than Your grace can reach

I know You've heard this prayer I'm praying
What I've done and where I've been
And Lord I don't deserve Your mercy
But once again You say

CHORUS

Rock of ages
Cleft for me

God bless us all the weak and weary
Captives of our flesh and blood
Our only freedom is the refuge
Of Your love

CHORUS


**** This song is a reminder to me that I don't deserve the gift of salvation, I will never be good enough, righteous enough, I'm not better than anyone else, not more favored than the next person......it's all boiled down to His mercy and His grace......thank you Lord for sacrificing so much to make a bridge for us.

 

[LukenDC]

Cardaway, for goodness sake. To be honest the reason I haven't called out Acrucifer/lawman is because I think it is a waste of my breath. I won't get into all the reasons, but suffice to say that there is no winning with that person. He has been called out before on other statements he has made on this thread. People have already formed opinions and I think that is why you don't see everyone getting up in arms over it. We have already been there, done that with his particular poster.

For the record, no I don't think it is right if it is the OP egging this stuff on just to egg it on. I don't think it is right for ANYONE to do that.

I agree completely.

 

[live4christp1]

My last post made me think about this story.....isn't God wonderful that way, how He always brings things to our remembrance in order to give honor and glory to Him.

The Young Boy and his Little Boat


A young boy spent many hours building a little sailboat, crafting it down to the finest detail. He then took it to a nearby river to sail it. When he put it in the water, however, it moved away from him very quickly. Though he chased it along the bank, he couldn't keep up with it. The strong wind and current carried the boat away. The heartbroken boy knew how hard he would have to work to build another sailboat.

Farther down the river, a man found the little boat, took it to town, and sold it to a shopkeeper. Later that day, as the boy was walking through town, he noticed the boat in a store window.

Entering the store, he told the owner that the boat belonged to him. It had his own little marks on it, but he couldn't prove to the shopkeeper that the boat was his. The man told him the only way he could get the boat was to buy it. The boy wanted it back so badly that he did exactly that.

As he took the boat from the hand of the shopkeeper, he looked at it and said, "Little boat, you're twice mine. I made you and I bought you."

In the same way, we belong twice to Someone. He both created us and paid a great price for us. With the blood of His Son, we have been redeemed and reunited with Him. His Son gave His life to get us back, yet so often we show such little gratitude for what He has done for us.

**** I love this story.....isn't it so amazing to know that having already belonged to God once (He created us) but being lost due to sin.......He loved us so much and desired a relationship with us so much that He sent Jesus to take the penalty for our sins.....He bought us back.

 

[cardaway]

Well, this is confusing. Just what is it that you would like to see us say or do on this thread, Cardaway? I guess that is what I'm not sure of while reading all this.

It's clear there is nothing I can say that will make it clear.

Going back a few pages, I can identify completely with Disneymom3, but from the other persepctive.

Maybe even more so.

 

[ead79]

So some people get PM's and others get called out publicly?

Fits my definition of "under the rug" for sure.

cardaway, I still don’t understand what you’re getting at. Who have I called out publicly? I was simply stating that I have taken issue with the same types of posts you have for the most part. I don’t believe that any one sin (though I understand we disagree on the definition) deserves to be “called out,” publicly or otherwise, any more than another. I’m not sweeping anything under any rugs, but you’re just going to have to take my word for it. At this point, I’m getting frustrated. I, like Buckalew, don’t understand what you want us to do/say. I’m not dense; I just don’t know what you want. I don’t agree with “harping” on any one sin, which is why you haven’t seen me jumping all over the issue of homosexuality. I’ve got enough to worry about in my own life. When certain posters try to “stir the pot” by repeatedly posting about the same issue, I tend to try to ignore them (I’m not referring to you, rather to posters who seem to only be able to discuss the issue of homosexuality) and discuss with the other pleasant posters on this thread. I feel like giving them a huge response only “fuels their fire” so to speak. If I’m reading into what you seem to be implying correctly, then you’re upset because we didn’t jump all over certain posters for what they said? Is that a correct interpretation (not trying to put words in your mouth, just trying to understand)? Above all, I try to show others the love of Christ through what I say and do, and while I do think the Bible is clear about certain moral issues, I feel like I need to focus on loving people instead of judging them.

 

[Grandma Bear]

ead 79-Well Said!

 

[Miss Jasmine]

Cardaway, you are not going to get what you want from the people you want it from. The ones who are taking the time to answer you aren't the ones you have an issue with, and I know you know this.

I'm sorry that you feel slighted.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

I think most of us on this thread are here to rejoice that God forgives our sins and helps us to overcome them, not to point out the sins of others.

 

[disneymom3]

One praise I would like to share along these lines (I feel like a baby taking tiny steps through this financial issue)......I started waiting tables in January part time (I have a full time job).....started out working Friday, Saturday & Sunday night. It really bothered me to miss Sunday night service so I decided that I would only work Friday & Saturday nights and trust God to make up the difference. Once I let go of Sunday night I have made the same amount in tips between Friday & Saturday as I was previously making 3 nights a week.

I had to share this as I have had a very similar experience. I am a Realtor and most people assume that a lot of Realtor hours come on Sundays and in fact in the business, it is practically unheard of to not work on Sundays. About 6 months after I got my license, I started feeling convicted that I should not be working on Sundays. i tell you, God was working overtime to get that message across to me! Everytime I turned on Christian radio, I swear that was the topic! So, this went on for a few weeks with me feeling like, "how can I make it as a Realtor without working on Sundays?" and at the same time, knowing that God was trying to talk to me about this.

So, I finally decided, okay, I would give it a shot. The next three weekends, I didn't do any work on Sundays and each Sat I hosted an open house. All three of those open houses were busy busy busy! Then, I weakened and agree to meet some folks who called me about a house and show it to them on a Sunday. Well, they were complete flakes! Happened again a few weeks later, I agreed to work on a Sunday and it was so clearly a waste of my time! So, it has been about a year and a half since I worked on a Sunday and now I just tell people straight out that I don't work Sundays. If they have a problem with it, I figure they can find another agent because that is not the kind of client I want to deal with anyway.

 

[Wishing on a star]

quote:
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I think most of us on this thread are here to rejoice that God forgives our sins and helps us to overcome them, not to point out the sins of others.

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The key word here is MOST people.

There have been one or two on both sides of the aisle here who insist on harping on what they feel is the transgression of others.

For those on the one side... Yes, certain things are considered 'sins'
For those on the other side... Yes, certain things are considered 'sins'

It does absolutely NO good to point fingers at others.
For those on one side... doing this is a 'sin'
For those on the other side... If you don't want to be judged, why are you here judging.

I just wish everyone would get over it.

(((( s i g hhhhhh!!!!! ))))