Born Again Christians Thread-No Bashing please

[WDWHound]

For them he is a very holy prophet. We say "son of God" - what does that mean anyway? He's not a son in the same sense that we are.

I think sometimes we are really saying much the same thing but using different words.

Sorry, but they aren't. They see Jesus as a Prophit, we see him as the Son of God (one of the three members of the trinity, and therefore God himself). We beleive Jesus died on the cross for our sins and was resurrected 3 days later. They beleive Jesus escaped death on the cross and did not die for our sins.

In short, while both faiths call him the Messiah, they seem him as a great teacher and prophit who will return at the end of the world. We see him as the sacrificial Lamb of God who came to die for our sins. We are not saying the same thing at all.

I am not saying we should not respect Islam, but respect does not mean agree with, and the 2 faiths are very different regarding their beleive's in Jesus.

 

[WDWHound]

I have to say this, and it's going to sound mean and judgemental, but I really have to say it. (Flame suit -- and the grace of God --ready!)

What good is endless threads about Christian songs and the moment you were born again if we don't try to listen to what Jesus said and stand against the people who mock them?

I beleive everyone here tries to listen to what Jesus said and follow his teachings, but they don't all the same interpretations of those teachings. I have seen nop intolerance to Jesus's teaching here from Christians. Who is the "them" being mocked that you refer to?

 

[auntpolly]

Sorry, but they aren't. They see Jesus as a Prophit, we see him as the Son *(on e of the three memebrs of the trinity, and therefore GOD). We beleive Jesus died on the cross for our sins and was resurrected 3 days later. They beleive Jesus escaped death on the cross and did not die for our sins.

In short, while both faiths call him the Messiah, they seem him as a great teacher and prophit who will return at the end of the world. We see him as the sacrificial Lamb of God who came to die for our sins. We are not saying the same thing at all.

Yes, I know all that, and I'm not speaking about these specifics, I'm talking about the nature of a prophet and the actual "son of God".

 

[RickinNYC]

unfortunately, liberals and politicians have made it fashionable for Gay sex and the lifestyle to be socially acceptable.

I find it very, VERY telling that someone who is essentially posting for the first time is clearly fixated on the topic of homosexuality.

I'm thankful that other Christians don't feel the same as you. I'm not a fool and know there are a few on this thread that do, but there are just as many others that don't.

As a gay man who does believe strongly in God and Jesus, I'll pray for you. All by my lonesome but I'll pray for you.

And to others, lawman1986 and others like him/her is exactly the reason why I've stopped asking questions and talking with you all on this particular thread.

 

[auntpolly]

I beleive everyone here tries to listen to what Jesus said and follow his teachings, but they don't all the same interpretations of those teachings. I have seen nop intolerance to Jesus's teaching here from Christians. Who is the "them" being mocked that you refer to?

Well, I've been talking about the "Who cares" thread.

 

[RickinNYC]

the gay agenda has permeated every facet of life. God is not only sad but probably angry has well, since we have ignored, blashemed and mocked his infallible word. May He forgive us !

The only one with a "gay agenda" is clearly you given the number of posts you've made regarding the topic.

Now, back to praying for you.

 

[WDWHound]

I find it very, VERY telling that someone who is essentially posting for the first time is clearly fixated on the topic of homosexuality.

I'm thankful that other Christians don't feel the same as you. I'm not a fool and know there are a few on this thread that do, but there are just as many others that don't.

As a gay man who does believe strongly in God and Jesus, I'll pray for you. All by my lonesome but I'll pray for you.

And to others, lawman1986 and others like him/her is exactly the reason why I've stopped asking questions and talking with you all on this particular thread.

Rick,
You beleif in God and Jesus, which means you have a place here. Our views may be different, but I would hope you could express your views and ask questions here.

 

[WDWHound]

Well, I've been talking about the "Who cares" thread.

Ah, sorry, I missed the reference. I haven't read that thread.

 

[auntpolly]

Ah, sorry, I missed the reference. I haven't read that thread.

You haven't missed anything -- obviously no one cares. And I came over here looking for reinforcements this AM -- not much luck.

I guess I have my answer to the question I asked over there! Loud and clear!

 

[WDWHound]

OK folks. Can I make a request. Can we shelf the gay issues for awhile? If you beleive its a sin, than its just one sin out of millions. If you don't, then that perspective has been well presented by several people on this thread on many different occasions. I am not suggesting we ignore either view, but there is more to being a Christian than how we feel about homosexuality, just as there is much more to Rick than his sexual preferences. I would hate to tink he could never post a question here without it becoming a Pro/Anti Gay debate.

C'mon folks. This horse is beyond dead. Lets move on, at least for a little while and let this topic lie.

 

[WDWHound]

You haven't missed anything -- obviously no one cares. And I came over here looking for reinforcements this AM -- not much luck.

I guess I have my answer to the question I asked over there! Loud and clear!

Excuse me? How can I not care about a thread I have never seen?

Link please?

 

[ead79]

Did you read the essay? You think it is loving to talk that way about their holiest of books?

And Jesus didn't just say to pray for our enemies -- he said to LOVE them.

Yes, I did read the essay. I don’t think it’s respectful to anyone to mistreat their religious books. I have to admit that I don’t know the specifics of those allegations against US soldiers, so I don’t know what they are accused of doing to the Koran. I don’t think that defacing or mishandling religious books is appropriate though. Jesus said both to love our enemies and to pray for them: “44But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,” (Matthew 5:44). As hard as it is (there really aren’t words to express it), I do believe we should pray for terrorists and love them through Christ. I’m not sure why you’re so upset with us on this thread. I haven’t seen anyone condone the behavior of the people who mistreated the Koran. I do care how we treat Muslims, and yet at the same time I support certain interrogation techniques to determine who is and isn’t involved in terrorism. Mistreating religious literature isn’t on the list of things I think are acceptable, however. I just don’t want to participate in that other thread because I don’t see what I can add.

Rick, you know how I feel, my friend. I miss your discourse on this thread and hope you’ll feel comfortable returning in your own time.

Hound, thank you for your point about shelving the topic of homosexuality. I agree completely.

 

[auntpolly]

Excuse me? How can I not care about a thread I have never seen?

Link please?

I wasn't accusing you of anything -- I'm just frustrated with the people I have been talking to about this this morning.

What did I say that made you think I meant you? I'm really tired of this -- the other thread is right on this page.

I think I need a break from this board -- which I'll get -- 'cause I'm going away for a few days.

 

[auntpolly]

I just don’t want to participate in that other thread because I don’t see what I can add.

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That's fine, but when I ask Christians a question -- ask for back-up in saying that no, that essay does not speak for us because it's not what Jesus would want -- and no one does, I guess I just took that as a sign that it wasn't important enough to comment on. (or at least as important as talking about what's wrong with gay people.)

I think it's this kind of thing that gives Christians a bad name. See ya later, I guess I'm just tired. I better stop before I start bashing.

 

[Galahad]

C'mon folks. This horse is beyond dead. Lets move on, at least for a little while and let this topic lie.

 

[Wishing on a star]

OK folks. Can I make a request. Can we shelf the gay issues for awhile? If you beleive its a sin, than its just one sin out of millions. If you don't, then that perspective has been well presented by several people on this thread on many different occasions. I am not suggesting we ignore either view, but there is more to being a Christian than how we feel about homosexuality, just as there is much more to Rick than his sexual preferences. I would hate to tink he could never post a question here without it becoming a Pro/Anti Gay debate.

C'mon folks. This horse is beyond dead. Lets move on, at least for a little while and let this topic lie.

ITA!!!!!


Just as I had posted, many pages back....

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And, if sexuality is the big touch-point here, I suggest that we just put that subject to an end, right here!!!!

Goodness gracious folks... I mean, if we keep on and on talking about sexuality as a sin, it would be never ending!!! And, it would completely hijack this thread, or ANY thread!!!!

I mean, if we are talking about sexuality as a sin here, we honestly have everything, running the gamut, from those who are all "Share all the brotherly love you can", to the Holy Rollers who think that even thinking on the subject, except for when with your spouse, is a sin.... (But, what others don't know doesn't count!!! LOL!!!) And, hey, what about the age old debate, is what Clinton did 'sex'.... And, heck fire, there are those who think that sex is not a sin, but is a duty, called for only when attempting to procreate... (Well, I can't have any more children, so my sex life is shot to hell!!!! )
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And, Welcome back Rick!

 

[Galahad]

Anybody else ever answer the question about Paul?

 

[ead79]

That's fine, but when I ask Christians a question -- ask for back-up in saying that no, that essay does not speak for us because it's not what Jesus would want -- and no one does, I guess I just took that as a sign that it wasn't important enough to comment on. (or at least as important as talking about what's wrong with gay people.)

I think it's this kind of thing that gives Christians a bad name. See ya later, I guess I'm just tired. I better stop before I start bashing.

auntpolly, I thought about it and see where you’re coming from. I don’t want my silence on that thread to imply that I agree with mistreating people’s religious literature, so I went over to that thread and posted a response there.

 

[auntpolly]

auntpolly, I thought about it and see where you’re coming from. I don’t want my silence on that thread to imply that I agree with mistreating people’s religious literature, so I went over to that thread and posted a response there.

You're a good and nice person, thanks for posting!

 

[lmhall2000]

auntpolly....I don't think the "we" are kicking their Bibles around...did God not kick the stew out of that Golden Calf? There are no other Bibles that are "Bibles" other than the one true word of God. I can see folks at the Mount saying, "well, why don't we let them have their cow...aren't we supposed to love those around us..and wouldn't it be unloving to tell them they have to get rid of their cow?" I'm not even proposing we tell them to get rid of their Bible, their Koran does not say that suicide will be rewarded...it's the extreme Islamists who are not following the word of their "Bible" but yet following the words of extremist leaders who have a vision of a world that will be 100% Islam..they feel they are commanded by their "Bible" to extinguish all believers that will not or do not convert. So, at that point, I clearly see a need to stand up for our Bible and the one true God. God is a jealous God, he says so. Jesus was not "loving" to the moneychangers at the temple...he STOOD UP and made them aware of their wrongdoing...I think that is loving.

Tara