Bombshell Obama Pastor Video

[wvjules]

KOOL-AID!!!!!!

Feel better now? Don't worry, there is plenty of Obama-bashing still going on.

First of all, I have not once referred to ANYONE as a kool-aid drinker, Bush or Obama supporter. So feel free to direct you sarcasm at someone else.

 

[LuvDuke]

I still don't see how he harmed his grandmother, that part makes no sense to me. Yes, you choose your church and not your family, but if you can't see that the "excuses" he made were not excuses but actually a way to explain the other side of what so many people see as a completely black/white issue (not race, but either I approve or disapprove, with no in between). We here are probably too young to remember what Jim Crow did to this nation. Put yourself in the place of a person who was young when Jim Crow laws forced people to sit at the back of the bus, eat in segregated restaurants, even when blacks served in the armed forces they served in segregated forces...would this cause you to perhaps question your nation, especially the one you are putting your life on the line for? Obama said Wright's comments were unacceptable and devisive, but he had to put the pastor in perspective, and I think he accomplished that.

I'm not too young to remember Jim Crow. I'm not too young to remember the deaths of civil rights workers in Mississippi or the marches in Selma or Dr. King's "I have a dream speech". I was born in the 1950's when Jim Crow was alive and well and being defended as the "natural order of things" and "don't mix the races".

I'd like for some people to put themselves in Rev. Wright's shoes just for a moment. He was a Marine, but to a large segment of this country, he was nothing more than an "N" in a uniform. Black men were lynched wearing their uniforms and their medals. That's the era Wright comes from. Do people actually think you just forget that? It's seared on one's soul. That doesn't make right. It just is.

 

[chris1gill]

NOT FUNNY.

He IS a consumer advocate and he is good at it, we're all consumer's... come on now, show the love

 

[WildernessBride]

I'm not too young to remember Jim Crow. I'm not too young to remember the deaths of civils rights workers in Mississippi or the marches in Selma or Dr. King's "I have a dream speech". I was born in the 1950's when Jim Crow was alive and well and being defended as the "natural order of things" and "don't mix the races".

I'd like for some people to put themselves in Rev. Wright's shoes just for a moment. He was Marine, but to a large segment of this country, he was nothing more than an "N" in a uniform. Black men were lynched weaing their uniforms and their medals. That's the era Wright comes from. Do people actually think you just forget that? It's seared on one's soul. That doesn't make right. It just is.

I agree. I am presently a history major and working on my senior paper regarding the civil rights movement and I have recently done a lot of reading and research regarding Jim Crow laws in particular. I think one of the most shameful things about our history is the acceptance of Jim Crow laws in the south, and the north for that matter. I just wish others would remember our history and try to put themselves into the position of those who experienced such humiliation by the country which they called home, tell me that wouldn't change you forever? It's not an excuse, but a reality.

 

[chris1gill]

No....I guess I'm just more optimistic as a general rule. I'm more about supporting a chosen candidate than being worked up about someone I don't support. Life's too short.

Got that right...

 

[punkin]

He IS a consumer advocate and he is good at it, we're all consumer's... come on now, show the love

OK, if Obama gets the nomination, I'll vote for Nader in protest.

 

[Duckfan-in-Chicago]

No....I guess I'm just more optimistic as a general rule. I'm more about supporting a chosen candidate than being worked up about someone I don't support. Life's too short.

Well if this place is any indication you must be the exception rather than the norm. Anyone want to count how many Obama supporters are trying to direct the dialog on the HC thread instead of staying on their own thread and saying how great their guy is, vs. the HC supporters that go to the Obama thread?

I've said before and I'll say it again, anyone can of course go to any thread and post at any time, but I don't understand why the Obama crowd isn't worried about building up their guy on their thread so much?

 

[WildernessBride]

Well if this place is any indication you must be the exception rather than the norm. Anyone want to count how many Obama supporters are trying to direct the dialog on the HC thread instead of staying on their own thread and saying how great their guy is, vs. the HC supporters that go to the Obama thread?

I've said before and I'll say it again, anyone can of course go to any thread and post at any time, but I don't understand why the Obama crowd isn't worried about building up their guy on their thread so much?

OBAMA IS THE MAN!!!!! GO BARACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[chris1gill]

Well if this place is any indication you must be the exception rather than the norm. Anyone want to count how many Obama supporters are trying to direct the dialog on the HC thread instead of staying on their own thread and saying how great their guy is, vs. the HC supporters that go to the Obama thread?

I've said before and I'll say it again, anyone can of course go to any thread and post at any time, but I don't understand why the Obama crowd isn't worried about building up their guy on their thread so much?

HAH! you don't visit the Obama thread much

 

[Duckfan-in-Chicago]

HAH! you don't visit the Obama thread much

Where did I say that I never read that thread?

 

[lilyv]

Well if this place is any indication you must be the exception rather than the norm. Anyone want to count how many Obama supporters are trying to direct the dialog on the HC thread instead of staying on their own thread and saying how great their guy is, vs. the HC supporters that go to the Obama thread?

I've said before and I'll say it again, anyone can of course go to any thread and post at any time, but I don't understand why the Obama crowd isn't worried about building up their guy on their thread so much?

I think there's a whole Clinton thread...I don't think this is "the" Clinton thread. I don't begrudge your wholehearted support of Clinton.

There's no lack of positive posts on the Obama thread.

For me, over the top anger,regular references to fights/fighting, boxing...these things don't appeal to me in a candidate. It's 2008. I think there are better ways to make points, enlighten voters. But, there's lots of choice out there.

 

[MyManGoofy!]

I still don't see how he harmed his grandmother, that part makes no sense to me. Yes, you choose your church and not your family, but if you can't see that the "excuses" he made were not excuses but actually a way to explain the other side of what so many people see as a completely black/white issue (not race, but either I approve or disapprove, with no in between). We here are probably too young to remember what Jim Crow did to this nation. Put yourself in the place of a person who was young when Jim Crow laws forced people to sit at the back of the bus, eat in segregated restaurants, even when blacks served in the armed forces they served in segregated forces...would this cause you to perhaps question your nation, especially the one you are putting your life on the line for? Obama said Wright's comments were unacceptable and devisive, but he had to put the pastor in perspective, and I think he accomplished that.

Seriously? Well luckily for me - my Nana never spoke a mean word to or about anyone in her life. However, if she had and I broad-casted that throughout the world - I cannot begin to imagine how betrayed and hurt she would feel that I used her to promote myself and my image. Would you do that to YOUR grandparents?

 

[EMom]

SuperObama....Faster than a speeding bullet.....At least when it comes to throwing Granny under the wheels of a bus! Is no one safe? If you can't see the poor old lady, it's because, much like Flat Stanley, you'd now have to peel her off the pavement to be able to spot her.

And don't tell me you can't "disown" Rev. Wright. Yes, you can. He isn't your little old granny. You chose him, you don't choose the rellies. You just don't want to be rid of him, you never did and you're using this as your justification.

To compare the rantings of several sermons which went on and on to a few sentences of Geraldine Ferraro (in which I heard no obscenities and saw no vulgar body movements) is a stretch, IMHO.

Obama talks at length about how discrimination has caused problems that the Black community still faces today...which pretty much means it's the fault of White people. He lists a bunch of things that plague them still. He then gives the teensiest mention to "facing our own complicity in our condition" at the tail end of that section as an afterthought that MAYBE some of what ails them today might not be ALL traceable to the White community, but just might be of their own making. (Absentee fathers, high crime rate, etc. are a few he alludes to.) Of course, he's not so politically suicidal as to elaborate as to HOW Blacks might be complicit, because the stuff would surely hit the fan then! So he'll count the many ways Whites are responsible....but nary a mention of how Blacks are responsible. Nope, he's not stupid. Nice...He makes an attempt at a speech on racial harmony, but 90% of that section was "blame White discrimination" and at best 10% was "Okay, maybe we might have a teeny, tiny bit of responsibility in some of this today." That is only lip service to racial harmony, as far as I'm concerned. But it was very smooth talking and a great sales job so long as you don't look too closely.

It's the same old "I'd like to buy the world a Coke and keep it company" speech I'd been hearing and expect to keep hearing. The question that remains is whether I believe it. He gave a nice illustration about how both Blacks and Whites feel resentment, but then I noticed he only mentioned what Whites can do to acknowledge the feelings of the Black community and what we can do to make it better. I heard nada about what Blacks could do to reach out to Whites. Still that one way street and he doesn't even see it.

 

[CathrynRose]

You know - I give him a lot of credit for not 'disowning' his considering this is a HUGE big deal. I wouldnt disown my best friend, my husband, my children over something they said. Ive told my g/f before, Im loyal...like a dog. You commit murder, I jump in the Bronco and drive you to Mexico....and didnt see a thing.

That being said - that shows how much he likes this guy. And this guy spews hate (my girlfriend who Ill drive to Mexico after she commits murder, does not)

That means he also REALLY knows this guy - just like I know my girlfriend who Ill drive to Mexico.

So now, even more so - he knew what this guy spewed, and whether or not he *agreed* - he's been okay with it for 20 years, as well as financially supporting it.

 

[afcgirl]

What optimistic view is it that you take? What negatives do I espouse as an "extreme liberal"? I acknowledge this country has problems and deep problems. So? I also believe we can do better. Geez, we're not perfect.

So go ahead and enlighten me and the rest of the good folks here. But fair warning, there's enough of me on paper for someone to know when BS is being peddled about me.

Well your last post sounded very negative to me about our country (failing economy, war success illusion, etc.) and you talk about our country's "deep problems". It sounded to me like the sky was falling in. I have heard extreme liberals take the position that our country needs to be "fixed" immediately. That was the vibe that I picked up from your post.

In reality though, there is no such thing as a utopian society. A country will always have problems no matter how well-managed. So how do we know if our government is succeeding? Compare it to other countries. Yes, our economy goes through a recession every ten years or so and appears to be heading for one now but it still is one of the most prosperous in the world. We have the best medical care in the world. We have the best sanitary conditions in the world. No one here is starving to death. We have freedom of speech and a democratic process. It is illegal to discriminate based on race, religion or sex. Every day I am grateful that I was born in this country. I am grateful that no matter who gets into office, be it Obama, Clinton or McCain, there will be an orderly transition of power and America will continue to thrive.

Then look at third world countries, where people are starving to death, civil war is raging, kids die from unsanitary conditions, dictators are thriving, etc. In some countries women have no rights and genocide is taking place. Those countries have what I call "deep problems".

Do we always need to strive for a better America? Of course. But does America need to be "fixed"? IMO no, just improved upon.

 

[chobie]

Most people would think the economy needs to be fixed.

 

[WildernessBride]

Seriously? Well luckily for me - my Nana never spoke a mean word to or about anyone in her life. However, if she had and I broad-casted that throughout the world - I cannot begin to imagine how betrayed and hurt she would feel that I used her to promote myself and my image. Would you do that to YOUR grandparents?

Yes seriously, I really think that people are human beings. Just cause you are a grandmom doesn't mean you never say a cross word. My grandmother, although not a perfect woman, was wonderful, however, I heard her use racial slurs on occasion, but I chalk that up to the time and place in which she grew up in. I really don't believe Obama was hurting his family, but saying that we are all humans and even sometimes the ones we love may say things in which we don't believe. My grandparents passed away long ago, but I love and respect them, even their bad sides. I mean how hypocritical would we all be if we acted as if we have never said an inappropriate remark ourselves? If I were giving a speech and included that part about my grandmom, I would have done so in the hope that others could relate to my experience. I think the g-mom thing is blown out of proportion.

 

[afcgirl]

Most people would think the economy needs to be fixed.

No, far left liberals would say that it needs to be fixed because that then means it is broken. Our economy is far from broken. It is going through a downturn, but too much government interference is bad for business.

 

[EMom]

I'm not too young to remember Jim Crow. I'm not too young to remember the deaths of civil rights workers in Mississippi or the marches in Selma or Dr. King's "I have a dream speech". I was born in the 1950's when Jim Crow was alive and well and being defended as the "natural order of things" and "don't mix the races".

I'd like for some people to put themselves in Rev. Wright's shoes just for a moment. He was a Marine, but to a large segment of this country, he was nothing more than an "N" in a uniform. Black men were lynched wearing their uniforms and their medals. That's the era Wright comes from. Do people actually think you just forget that? It's seared on one's soul. That doesn't make right. It just is.

I'm younger than you, but I do remember the tail end of segregation. I was the first in my family to attend integrated schools K-12. What I remember is a world of change between those years and today. And unlike Michelle Obama, I am proud of America. Proud that in just one generation of children, so much progress and change could happen. That is something that Rev. Wright doesn't seem to acknowledge. When I hear young Blacks use the word "n****r," I am sickened, because I am all too aware of how hard their parents, grandparents and great-grandparents worked to make that word unacceptable. I'd love to put them in a time machine and let them see how far things have come.

I am no Pollyanna and perky people usually get on my nerves, but the truth of the matter is....If you dwell on the negative, that is what you'll get back. If you look at what is good and positive, your life will be a lot happier. That is not to say you should ignore reality....It's more a matter of where you FOCUS. Like a lot of people, I had some pretty crappy things happen to me along the way growing up. I could have let them ruin my life, I suppose. But at some point, I had to accept that I could not change or control certain things and there was serious suckage. So I concentrated on what I could control and used that to better my life. I have a friend who is a great wife and mother. When she finally confided her childhood story, I was slackjawed. How she turned out to be anything but an unwed teenage mother drug addict is a miracle. The odds were stacked against her in the worst way, but it only made her determined to be a better parent than the ones she had. People make this choice every day.....They go one direction or the other.

Yes, there is still discrimination against racial minorities and women. (In fairness, for some jobs they actually have an advantage if there are hiring incentives.) So do you let that fester to the point that you never see the opportunities in front of you? Or do you say, "I have so many more chances than my parents and grandparents ever had. Here's what I plan to do...." Yes, there was and is suckage. And there will be suckage in the future. Count on it. And that is true, no matter what your race.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Yes seriously, I really think that people are human beings. Just cause you are a grandmom doesn't mean you never say a cross word. My grandmother, although not a perfect woman, was wonderful, however, I heard her use racial slurs on occasion, but I chalk that up to the time and place in which she grew up in. I really don't believe Obama was hurting his family, but saying that we are all humans and even sometimes the ones we love may say things in which we don't believe. My grandparents passed away long ago, but I love and respect them, even their bad sides.

My grandmother called black people the "n" word. I hated that, but I didn't hate her.

She also rather famously told people that the sun shone through holes in the sky at night and the Virgin Mary was a young girl who got in trouble and came up with a good story.

Loved her dearly, but oh my......