Bombshell Obama Pastor Video

[CathrynRose]

No he didn't. What makes you say he did? His (former) paster holds many beliefs. Obama doesn't agree with all of them. Had Obama agreed with his pastor on the isses that disguest you, I would care. But he didn't.

Dude - when someone spews as much garbage as this pastor did, Obama would be a FOOL not to say 'I dont beleive him', right?



He is STILL his spiritual advisor, at a church he attended for 20 years, was married by and bapstised his munchkins.

Gimme a break, already. Seriously.

 

[salmoneous]

Your 100% sure he didn't!

He's never shown any indication he has. I'm not 100% sure what is in any many's heart, but based on everything Obama has said and done, he hasn't. We should judge people based on what they say and do...

PS- Is there anything that Obama could do that his worshippers wouldn't defend?

I don't worship Obama, nor know anyone who does. But based on everything I know about the guy, he'd make a fine president. However, there are tons of things he could do that I wouldn't defend. When he does something objectionable, let me know.

 

[CathrynRose]

When he does something objectionable, let me know.

We did. And youre defending him.

Personally - this is gonna be is downfall.

So I hope youre ready to support another candidate.

 

[JennyMominRI]

We did. And youre defending him.

Personally - this is gonna be is downfall.

So I hope youre ready to support another candidate.

What am I supposed to do, support McCain, who I disagree with on nearly everything? McCain actively sought the endorsement of a controversial minister who has proclaimed that homosexuality and sin was the cause of hurricane Katrina, essentially saying that the residents of New Orleans brought the disaster upon themselves.

Clinton, who has supporters like Ferrarro and whom I also find morally reprehensible..Right now I'm not too hapy with any of the 3 so I'm going to have to go with the one who is politically closest to me.

 

[lillygator]

Because he doesn't agree with the man on the issues that bother you.

How are these beliefs - held by somebody not running for president and that Obama doesn't hold - going to affect the job he does as president?

I guess you just don't get it...

 

[SwedishMeatball]

He's never shown any indication he has. I'm not 100% sure what is in any many's heart, but based on everything Obama has said and done, he hasn't. We should judge people based on what they say and do...

I don't worship Obama, nor know anyone who does. But based on everything I know about the guy, he'd make a fine president. However, there are tons of things he could do that I wouldn't defend. When he does something objectionable, let me know.

I agree. He did support his minister to the extent that he chose him as his spiritual mentor. That is an action that for many will speak louder than all of his eloquent speeches.

You have your own set of criteria to judge a person on, but just be aware that for many this is something they will find very objectionable.

 

[salmoneous]

Im not even BOTHERING answering that.

In my expereince, if people can explain why the candidate they don't like will do a bad job, they like to do so, rather than avoid the question.

I haven't a clue how things that Obama doesn't believe will affect the job he does as president. But I'd be interested to hear from those who do know how it will affect the job he does.

 

[CathrynRose]

What am I supposed to do, support McCain, who I disagree with on nearly everything? McCain actively sought the endorsement of a controversial minister who has proclaimed that homosexuality and sin was the cause of hurricane Katrina, essentially saying that the residents of New Orleans brought the disaster upon themselves.

Clinton, who has supporters like Ferrarro and whom I also find morally reprehensible..Right now I'm not too hapy with any of the 3 so I'm going to have to go with the one who is politically closest to me.

You know what - I dont know.

But what I do know, is not only does Obama have a spiritual advisor who is anti-white, he's also anti-jew, anti-gay and anti-america. That disturbs me, TREMENDOUSLY, as it should everyone.

McCain wasnt my first pick either - I see what youre saying, but had I been an Obama supporter the mere mention of the name "Farrakhan' would have had my mind changed instantly. And this pastor is buddies with him. So Obama is once-removed buddies with Farrakhan, as far as Im concerned.

That JMHO - and YMMV.

PS: Did you try that 99 cent thing I told you about?

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

I agree. He did support his minister to the extent that he chose him as his spiritual mentor. That is an action that for many will speak louder than all of his eloquent speeches.

You have your own set of criteria to judge a person on, but just be aware that for many this is something they will find very objectionable.

Absolutely, just as many feel that McCain's stand on ending a woman's right to choose or the Iraq war brings about it's own set of end game judgement calls. That's what makes this little "America" experiment so much fun!!

 

[salmoneous]

We did. And youre defending him.

He attended church. I don't find that objectionable. You do. We disagree.

So I hope youre ready to support another candidate.

I'd be happy to support Senator Clinton too. Unless she gets caught laundering money to pay for gigolos (or something).

 

[JennyMominRI]

You know what - I dont know.

But what I do know, is not only does Obama have a spiritual advisor who is anti-white, he's also anti-jew, anti-gay and anti-america. That disturbs me, TREMENDOUSLY, as it should everyone.

McCain wasnt my first pick either - I see what youre saying, but had I been an Obama supporter the mere mention of the name "Farrakhan' would have had my mind changed instantly. And this pastor is buddies with him. So Obama is once-removed buddies with Farrakhan, as far as Im concerned.

That JMHO - and YMMV.

PS: Did you try that 99 cent thing I told you about?

It does bother me...I don't deny that at all, and I'm really hoping for some strong words from Obama...My problem is that I am really dissapointed in the people that all 3 candidates have been associating with lately..I'm no hapy with ANY of them right now and I'm not quite sure how to reconcile any of it..

I didn't try the 99 cent thing yet, but I will

 

[Hound 109]

When Obama does something inappropriate, let us know. If it has something to do with the job he will do as president, I'll care. In the meantime, all Obama has done as far as this thread is concerned is "attend church".

But, hey, if you want to try and get folks to overlook how Obama and McCain stand on the issues and what they wants to do as president, I don't blame you. If that's what people use to choose their candidate, I suspect Obama wins in a landslide.

Meanwhile, have fun getting all upset about what some guy who isn't running for president has to say.

I suspect that after the democrats vote in MI, FL, Penn, NC, & the other states & the SuperDelegates render their votes.......comparing where Obama & McCain stand on the issues will be irrelevant.

 

[Hound 109]

Ha, first time I have ever been accused of trying to defend Obama.

punkin, the republicans must be watching too much msnbc.....don't you know if you're an American & you want to defeat McCain, then you must be a latte sippin Obama supporter.

 

[luvsJack]

Your 100% sure he didn't!


PS- Is there anything that Obama could do that his worshippers wouldn't defend?

Haven't read every page, but I asked this same question on another thread; never did get an answer.

There is no excuse for the man to have attended a church for 20 years and listened to this garbage. The only reason would have to be that he agreed with it. He did not have to change relegions only churches. I cannot understand how anyone can continue to defend this. I mean maybe not change your support of him but at least start to question him a bit.

 

[JoBird]

Look.
Obama has said that he "profoundly disagrees with SOME of the statements and positions of Reverend Wright". My question to him would be Which statements, and which positions?

I have been to many different churches in my lifetime. If I go into one and for whatever reason do not agree with what the pastor there is saying, I DO NOT GO BACK. Plain and simple. Why waste my time listening to something you don't like or agree with???

Obama's staying and listening to this trash Sunday after Sunday really causes me to wonder about his true feelings. Because let's face it, if someone is saying something that you don't agree with, chances are, you don't stick around to hear it over and over again!

What is edifying and uplifting in that??????


J~

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

Haven't read every page, but I asked this same question on another thread; never did get an answer.

There is no excuse for the man to have attended a church for 20 years and listened to this garbage. The only reason would have to be that he agreed with it. He did not have to change relegions only churches. I cannot understand how anyone can continue to defend this. I mean maybe not change your support of him but at least start to question him a bit.

Look a few posts above...Jenny did not defend it, and on that other thread you are talking about, I didn't defend it either. I said he should run, not walk away from this church. Honestly, I'm thinking you're looking less for someone who won't defend Obama on this and more someone who says that they are through with Obama and will not vote for him because of what his pastor said. You've asked this twice now, and for some reason, you don't accept valid answers to your question...what exactly am I missing here?

 

[SwedishMeatball]

You know what, I'm not trying to debate individual candidate's policy issues here. We can do that all day long and certainly will, but in this particular discussion we are addressing how Obama's association with his minister will impact him, his current supporters, and those who would potentially support him. We hope that people don't view politics in a myopic fashion, but the fact is that Obama is going to be scrutinized intensely in his relation to this minister. He will have many people who will choose to continue supporting him. However, it is not practical though not to realize that he has major damage control he needs to attend to. If you really support Obama, then you need to accept that and hope he gets busy and is able to effectively get a handle on this situation. I am certain that it would not be in his best interest to take the approach that most people will just overlook this and assume that he naturally couldn't support the offensive and racist remarks of his spiritual adviser.

 

[salmoneous]

He will have to personally speak to the American people and get very specific on the points that he is not in agreement with. Even then, it may not be enough.

There is nothing he can do that will satisfy some folks. So make an explanation, then move on.

Whoever the Democrats nominate will be subject to this sort of tactic. There will be attack after attack. Heck, Republicans managed to attack John Kerry for receiving a Purple Heart. One of Kerry's big mistakes was allowing the campaigned to be sidetracked. There's nothing you can say to placate folks who would mock a Purple Heart.

Instead, Obama should spend as much time as possible talking about what he will do as President.

 

[Hound 109]

Saying that he is only where he is today because he black is racism IMO.

Stating that part of the reason he is "where he is today" is because he was chosen to make the Keynote speech in 04' because of his talent & speaking skills & because he was black, is not racism, it was (& is) an observation. BO's supporters (ironically) played the race card & asked Ferraro to be fired & thrown under the bus.


But I don't think Hillary should be responsible for some stupid comments made by some one supporting her.

Hillary didn't take responsibility for the clumsy statement, but she accepted her resignation from the campaign. But she (& most democrats) know that Ferraro is NOT a racist & has 20 years of public record to back it up.


I'm not blindly supporting Obama. I'm not taking glee everytime Hillary gets a slap down.

Comparing Ferraro-gate to this development doesn't surprise me, interesting that while Ferraro was working for her consistuents & for equal rights & for minority rights for the past 25 years, Mr. & Mrs. BO have been sitting in the pew listening to this:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/03/brian_ross_reports_on_obamas_c.html


abc news (owned by Disney) 2 min. clip from yesterday.

 

[basas]

Saying that he is only where he is today because he black is racism IMO. But I don't think Hillary should be responsible for some stupid comments made by some one supporting her.

I'm not blindly supporting Obama. I'm not taking glee everytime Hillary gets a slap down.

Do you honestly not see the difference? The two situations would only be comparable if Hillary had heard the comments, and then came back to hear more...for 20 years!