Bombshell Obama Pastor Video

While recently called "racist" Geraldine Ferraro was actively fighting Aparteid during the 80's what was Obama doing???????:smokin:



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i believe he was a student activist ...... his first public speech was at an on campus, anti aparteid rally......divestiture.......
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There is nothing he can do that will satisfy some folks. So make an explanation, then move on.
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I got busy with RL today so missed about 1000 pages of this discussion. :)

I wanted to address this. You are right; there is nothing Obama could say that will change me mind about my own vote. However in light of Obama's close relation to his church, and from what I know about Black Liberation Theology (affirmed by Obama and his church), Obama now honestly scares the crap out to of me. He may not talk me into voting for him, but I wish he could say something -I don't even know what that might be -to put my mind at ease about this cloud of racist hate around him. I need him to help me know he has nothing to hide.

I know that sounds crazy -and libs probably won't get it at all, but I am actually today quite scared of this man and what he could do to America.

Google Black Liberation Theology and read a whole bunch of links. See whether that sounds compatible with being POTUS.
 
So one last time, you would have no problem if John Mc Cain had been seeking advice from and listening weekly and by choice to a KKK member for twenty years?


So this Wright guy has been advocating lynching white people has he? How about burning crosses on white people's lawns?
 
We do know this because Obama is one of the Biggest Financial supporters of this church.

You can't possibly know what sermons the Obamas have been listening to--that's my point. And you don't know that they were filled with "US of KKK A" every week, either.
 

There is nothing he can do that will satisfy some folks. So make an explanation, then move on.

Whoever the Democrats nominate will be subject to this sort of tactic. There will be attack after attack. Heck, Republicans managed to attack John Kerry for receiving a Purple Heart. One of Kerry's big mistakes was allowing the campaigned to be sidetracked. There's nothing you can say to placate folks who would mock a Purple Heart.

Instead, Obama should spend as much time as possible talking about what he will do as President.

After watching this video, then running a search and viewing another where the church ONLY gives to black charities, I question what he'd do as president. Actually, I'm starting to fear it. I didn't like the ministers stance on the prison system, either.
 
So one last time, you would have no problem if John Mc Cain had been seeking advice from and listening weekly and by choice to a KKK member for twenty years?
I judge John McCain by what he does and says. There is nothing in his track record to indicate he shares the values of the KKK. If it turns out the guy who married him, or the who he turns to deal with spiritial issues was in the KKK, that's won't change my opinion of John McCain.
 
Exactly. If this minsiter was saying those same sound bites over and over again for 20 years, then that would be different.

So, who can give me the link with 20 years of this man's sermons so I can know that he was saying these things over and over again like so many are assuming?

I don't know what the preacher has been saying for 20 years, & i don't know how often the Obamas attend church. When I heard about this firestorm-like topic, i went to the realclearpolitics site (to read up), since they tend to pull from all political sides.

I thought the abc link made sense, since abc is owned by disney.

imo it's not just the 20 years.....it's also:

- Moral Compass.
- Spiritual Advisor.
- Married them.
- Baptized the kids.
- On his Campaign.

& also the tone, anger & craziness of the remarks.

As a HC supporter, I'm not angry, & it doesn't really matter to me how he responds....I'm just a little stunned.

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Google Black Liberation Theology and read a whole bunch of links. See whether that sounds compatible with being POTUS.
"Black Liberation Theology" isn't running for POTUS. Obama is. I've read tons of what Obama has written. It doesn't scare me.
 
We don't know what sermons the Obamas have been listening to. I imagine since entering state and national politics, Barack hasn't been able to attend many. I certainly don't blame Obama for what his pastor says when he's not there to hear it. But he should boot the Rev. from his campaign.

No matter which candidate we were talking about, I would have a hard time believing he or she is completely in agreement with everything his or her pastor believes. All of them are strong-minded people.

I have a lot of respect for Ferraro, but her recent comments were pretty stupid. A lot of women use their sex as an excuse for why they don't excel in the way they want to. It's a defeatist attitude that annoys the heck out of me.

Wow.

Can you not see how the bolded statement could be seen as offensive and sexist? I mean what would say if someone had said "A lot of blacks use their race as an excuse for why they don't excel in the way they want to. It's a defeatist attitude that annoys the heck out of me."?
 
Wow.

Can you not see how the bolded statement could be seen as offensive and sexist? I mean what would say if someone had said "A lot of blacks use their race as an excuse for why they don't excel in the way they want to. It's a defeatist attitude that annoys the heck out of me."?

:rotfl: Think what you like, but I'm a raging feminist who won't accept excuses. When some people start out thinking they won't get ahead because of "the man", yes, that's a defeatist attitude. And that applies to everyone, women, blacks, the poor, etc. Sometimes some people are just better than you and get the job you want. I've met women who subscribe to misogynist thinking, getting MRS degrees or believing a woman's place is supposed to be in the home, never wondering why working fathers don't feel guilt. They annoy me.
 
It will be interesting to see how it plays out with democrats in Penn (& FL, NC & MI).
It's going to be a very interesting few months. HC is leading in Penn and Fl. NC and MI have open primaries. Who knows how Fl and MI will be if/when they revote, but I'm guessing most of the states where people don't have to vote for McCain any more aren't going to be too happy with things. Penn, Oregon and Ky are closed. Every other state left is open primaries.
 
I am not willing to pass judgement on a 40 year ministry solely on 2 minute sound bites.....

Oh good lord. :3dglasses

Exactly. If this minsiter was saying those same sound bites over and over again for 20 years, then that would be different.

So, who can give me the link with 20 years of this man's sermons so I can know that he was saying these things over and over again like so many are assuming?

Youre joking right? In 1983 he went to Libya to meet with Ghadafi. rest assured, his views have been going on for years. Come on!!! Are you all joking?!?!?!?

not to derail your theory buy my 4 year old much to my die-hard conservative chagrin says Hillary is going to be the next President.

And who would have thought I would EVER say I'd rather she was. :laughing:


Didn't he also "support" the minister & his church financially? How many tens of thousands of dollars of "charitible" contributions have the Obama made over the past 20 years?

Did he deduct them on his taxes? Are we all (have we all) then been subsidizing this nutjob?

$22,000 odd dollars or so. :thumbsup2

I get the big picture. The question is what to do about it.

We had a poster here who mentioned that just the fact that the word Farrakhan came up in conversation made them wary to vote for Obama. How do you deal with that? The more Obama talks about it, the more trouble it causes.

It's like the old Far Side Cartoon:

What Obama says: "I decry racism and anti-Semitism in every form and strongly condemn the anti-Semitic statements made by Minister Farrakhan,"

What some folks here: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah FARRAKHAN!!!!!

There are folks out there who don't associate with a party. I want them to think, "Obama sure spends a lot of time talking about how to get out of Iraq, what to do for the economy, etc." It's not going to help Obama for them to think "Obama sure spends a lot of time talking about Farrakhan."

Whatever - BLAH BLAH BLAH Farrakhan is dang right. :sad2:

I know that sounds crazy -and libs probably won't get it at all, but I am actually today quite scared of this man and what he could do to America.

Google Black Liberation Theology and read a whole bunch of links. See whether that sounds compatible with being POTUS.

No kidding.

You can't possibly know what sermons the Obamas have been listening to--that's my point. And you don't know that they were filled with "US of KKK A" every week, either.

:laughing: :laughing: Im just floored. Truly. No - Im sure theyve been all rainbows and puppy dogs, EXCEPT for these few. Im sure! :3dglasses

After watching this video, then running a search and viewing another where the church ONLY gives to black charities, I question what he'd do as president. Actually, I'm starting to fear it. I didn't like the ministers stance on the prison system, either.

You got that right. :rolleyes1


I judge John McCain by what he does and says. There is nothing in his track record to indicate he shares the values of the KKK. If it turns out the guy who married him, or the who he turns to deal with spiritial issues was in the KKK, that's won't change my opinion of John McCain.


Are you kidding me???!?!? OMG! Im like in some sort of Twilight Zone alternate universe. This is seriously disturbing me.

Defend him guys. Keep on, keeping on. :sad2:
 
removed because life is too short and it is just not worth it.
 
"Black Liberation Theology" isn't running for POTUS. Obama is. I've read tons of what Obama has written. It doesn't scare me.

I guess it all comes down to the fact that if this doesn't bother you at all, then you don't have to let it. :confused3 Black LIberation Theology is a belief system that your POTUS candidate subscribes to (at least by some form of close association).
 
:rotfl: this little guy implies that you are laughing at me. Is that what you are trying to convey? That my impression of what you wrote is laughable? I do not know you from Adam (or Eve) - how would I know that you label yourself a "raging feminist"?

On a side note - the feminist group I belong to is quite rabid about women tearing each other down. And yes - we agree that sometimes the other person is more qualified. But you seem to be denying that there is any kind of sexism that women face.

I find it highly amusing that I would be considered sexist because I don't accept excuses. I don't deny there is sexism, racism, bigotry, etc. That would be idiocy. But when you're a woman or a black person or whatever person who's being discriminated against these days, you can't think you might not succeed because of ______. Why? Because it'll come true--you'll set yourself up for failure with that mindset. "I can't do that. I'm just a girl."

Geraldine Ferraro was using Hillary's sex as an excuse for why she hasn't been winning outright. The reason isn't because she's a woman, though some of her female supporters likely think so. Why would a woman want to believe if Hillary doesn't win the nomination, it's because she's a woman? What would be different for the next woman trying to attempt the same thing? It's like saying a woman could never be President because there's sexism. Well, sexism is dying off, a slow death, but it's fading away. I don't know if it can ever be eradicated. But I don't think that it's enough of a problem these days that women can use it as an excuse. A hundred years ago, sure.
 
Black LIberation Theology is a belief system that your POTUS candidate subscribes to
No it isn't.

Obama has written *extensively* about what he believes in. Judge him by that. Not by some other belief system.
 
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Obama responds:

Barack Obama: On My Faith and My Church

The pastor of my church, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who recently preached his last sermon and is in the process of retiring, has touched off a firestorm over the last few days. He's drawn attention as the result of some inflammatory and appalling remarks he made about our country, our politics, and my political opponents.

Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy. I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue.

Because these particular statements by Rev. Wright are so contrary to my own life and beliefs, a number of people have legitimately raised questions about the nature of my relationship with Rev. Wright and my membership in the church. Let me therefore provide some context.

As I have written about in my books, I first joined Trinity United Church of Christ nearly twenty years ago. I knew Rev. Wright as someone who served this nation with honor as a United States Marine, as a respected biblical scholar, and as someone who taught or lectured at seminaries across the country, from Union Theological Seminary to the University of Chicago. He also led a diverse congregation that was and still is a pillar of the South Side and the entire city of Chicago. It's a congregation that does not merely preach social justice but acts it out each day, through ministries ranging from housing the homeless to reaching out to those with HIV/AIDS.

Most importantly, Rev. Wright preached the gospel of Jesus, a gospel on which I base my life. In other words, he has never been my political advisor; he's been my pastor. And the sermons I heard him preach always related to our obligation to love God and one another, to work on behalf of the poor, and to seek justice at every turn.

The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign. I made it clear at the time that I strongly condemned his comments. But because Rev. Wright was on the verge of retirement, and because of my strong links to the Trinity faith community, where I married my wife and where my daughters were baptized, I did not think it appropriate to leave the church.

Let me repeat what I've said earlier. All of the statements that have been the subject of controversy are ones that I vehemently condemn. They in no way reflect my attitudes and directly contradict my profound love for this country.

With Rev. Wright's retirement and the ascension of my new pastor, Rev. Otis Moss, III, Michelle and I look forward to continuing a relationship with a church that has done so much good. And while Rev. Wright's statements have pained and angered me, I believe that Americans will judge me not on the basis of what someone else said, but on the basis of who I am and what I believe in; on my values, judgment and experience to be President of the United States.


Thank you Barack.
 


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