BOG breakfast for Mine train warning! Early ride not guaranteed

[mom2rtk]

We've got 8 a.m. reservations at BOG for our upcoming trip on a day that the park is (currently) scheduled to open at 9 a.m. If we can, we'll ride 7DMT early. If not, I imagine my wife and daughter will head over to Splash Mtn and my son and I to Space Mtn and hit those before the crowd builds. So my take is it would be great if we can get on 7DMT before the RD crowds hit the park but I don't EXPECT that to happen and won't be irritated if it doesn't.

But would you be irritated if they held you back and made you get in line after the rope drop crowd? Because that's what prompted this thread.

 

[GeorgiaHoo]

But would you be irritated if they held you back and made you get in line after the rope drop crowd? Because that's what prompted this thread.

Nope. I'm going to BOG for breakfast, doing early entry because we like getting in the park before it opens. If we get the ADDED bonus of getting to 7DMT before the RD crowds that would be an awesome perk, but I'm certainly not expecting Disney to let me get ahead of everyone else.

 

[Praying Colonel]

Nope. I'm going to BOG for breakfast, doing early entry because we like getting in the park before it opens. If we get the ADDED bonus of getting to 7DMT before the RD crowds that would be an awesome perk, but I'm certainly not expecting Disney to let me get ahead of everyone else.

But that's not what Mom asked. Are you expecting Disney to put you at the back of the line? Because that's the objection here.

 

[GeorgiaHoo]

But that's not what Mom asked. Are you expecting Disney to put you at the back of the line? Because that's the objection here.

Why would that be an objection? You paid for breakfast at BOG, not to get in the front of the line at any particular ride. When I made my reservations at BOG I didn't see anything that said "breakfast and front of the line at 7DMT." In fact, there was no mention at all of when you would be able to go to a ride, and there's no reason to EXPECT to be able to get in front of everyone else. If you don't want to be behind the RD crowds then go wait in line with them, and get there early enough to be near the front. If you go to breakfast at CP or BOG and Disney lets you ride before the RD crowd then great, you got an added perk. Don't complain that you didn't get an added, unadvertised bonus because they hold you while those who chose to wait in line to be one of the first to get to a ride actually get to the rides first. I'm struggling to see any valid complaint if Disney puts you at the back of the line.

 

[Praying Colonel]

^Wow. That's one way to go, I guess.

 

[mom2rtk]

Nope. I'm going to BOG for breakfast, doing early entry because we like getting in the park before it opens. If we get the ADDED bonus of getting to 7DMT before the RD crowds that would be an awesome perk, but I'm certainly not expecting Disney to let me get ahead of everyone else.

Then you're a better person that I am. Because it would totally tick me off. (Being held back behind the RD crowd)

 

[GeorgiaHoo]

^Wow. That's one way to go, I guess.

What's the other way? Are people really complaining because they were denied an unadvertised benefit? What is it about breakfast at BOG that makes someone think they should be in front of the RD crowd? The problem here isn't Disney, the problem is a group of people who believe they are entitled to something that was never offered in the first place

 

[GeorgiaHoo]

Then you're a better person that I am. Because it would totally tick me off. (Being held back behind the RD crowd)

Why though? Did Disney offer you a spot in front of the RD crowd along with your breakfast at BOG? I didn't receive any such offer

 

[JoshuaShaw]

What's the other way? Are people really complaining because they were denied an unadvertised benefit? What is it about breakfast at BOG that makes someone think they should be in front of the RD crowd? The problem here isn't Disney, the problem is a group of people who believe they are entitled to something that was never offered in the first place

This thread has gotten so long that I've probably missed some posts over the course of 21 pages, so please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but...

I don't think people expect something that wasn't offered. I think people are annoyed that they could be potentially penalized for making an ADR.

 

[Praying Colonel]

This thread has gotten so long that I've probably missed some posts over the course of 21 pages, so please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but...

I don't think people expect something that wasn't offered. I think people are annoyed that they could be potentially penalized for making an ADR.

Yep--don't get hung up on the "go to the front of the line" thing. I think it's fair to say that the vast majority have a major problem with getting sent to the back.

 

[mom2rtk]

Why though? Did Disney offer you a spot in front of the RD crowd along with your breakfast at BOG? I didn't receive any such offer

No. But they didn't say they'd hold people back and send them to the back of the line either.

 

[GeorgiaHoo]

No. But they didn't say they'd hold people back and send them to the back of the line either.

Maybe I'm missing the point then. When you book an ADR at BOG at 8 a.m. what is your expectation for getting in line? My expectation is that I'll be able to roam the park and get in line at park opening, which is 9 a.m. If they let RD people in before that then I'll be behind them. If they tell me to get in line behind the RD people who have been waiting outside the park to be the first in then I would have NO complaints. Again, if you want to be the first on the ride then be at the front of the RD line. Don't complain when you don't get a benefit you weren't offered. This isn't worth going round and round on.

 

[mom2rtk]

Maybe I'm missing the point then. When you book an ADR at BOG at 8 a.m. what is your expectation for getting in line? My expectation is that I'll be able to roam the park and get in line at park opening, which is 9 a.m. If they let RD people in before that then I'll be behind them. If they tell me to get in line behind the RD people who have been waiting outside the park to be the first in then I would have NO complaints. Again, if you want to be the first on the ride then be at the front of the RD line. Don't complain when you don't get a benefit you weren't offered. This isn't worth going round and round on.

My expectation is to be allowed access to the park at the same time as the rope drop people.

 

[JoshuaShaw]

My expectation is to be allowed access to the park at the same time as the rope drop people.

 

[jtowntoflorida]

Why though? Did Disney offer you a spot in front of the RD crowd along with your breakfast at BOG? I didn't receive any such offer

You were offered access to attractions during park operating hours. You would have no problem arbitrarily being denied boarding to the ride of your choice once the park opened while literally 1000s of other people were allowed to board? Wow. All I have to say to that is that as a guest, I expect more than that. If the park is open, I should be allowed to move about freely, especially if other guests are being allowed to do so.

 

[Angel Ariel]

My expectation is to be allowed access to the park at the same time as the rope drop people.

Exactly this. I don't expect any perks for a prepark ADR, but I also don't expect to be prevented from getting in line for any attraction once the park is open.

 

[22Tink]

Then you're a better person that I am. Because it would totally tick me off. (Being held back behind the RD crowd)

Me too. I get that we 'only paid for breakfast' and I certainly don't expect to be first in line for anything, but to be held back till the RD crowd has gone by is definitely not cool.

 

[22Tink]

What's the other way? Are people really complaining because they were denied an unadvertised benefit? What is it about breakfast at BOG that makes someone think they should be in front of the RD crowd? The problem here isn't Disney, the problem is a group of people who believe they are entitled to something that was never offered in the first place

It's not that we (and I speak for myself only) feel that we need to be in front of the RD crowd. I'd be fine being let out as they go by, but to be specifically held back till they've ALL gone by seems like the breakfast people are being punished for eating breakfast! If the park is open to the public, that means it's open to everyone and everyone should be free to move about the park, not just the RD people.

 

[GaryDis]

who are truly a safety hazard (as in getting violent)

That's much too low a standard for being a safety hazard. All it takes is a couple of obnoxious teenagers to bowl over some five year old in a mad rush to get to the ride to create a safety hazard. And safety isn't about preventing what's likely. It's about preventing what's plausibly possible.

In any event, I don't see why this has to focus on the word "safety".

 

[GaryDis]

I think it comes down to this:

If you believe that the official line for 7D is always at the ride, and that's immutable, and that the RD crowd is just a random group of people who happen to be heading that way, you'll believe that Disney has no right or rationale to stop people at BOG from heading directly to 7D as soon as the rope drops.

If you believe that Disney can say that prior to RD, the line for 7D forms at the rope at the main gate, and that's the official line for the ride, and at RD, a CM will relocate the line to the ride, then you'll believe that it's reasonable for Disney to say that if you want to ride 7D at opening, you need to be at the main gate before RD to join the official, movable line.

Some people disagree with Disney choosing to take the second approach, and that's fine - people have a right to various opinions. Some people simply don't understand how the second approach could possibly be valid, but I don't know what else can be said on that. Some people think they have some sort of inherent right, regardless of any crazy line organization Disney might choose, but no, in the absence of any clearly false advertising, it's Disney's parks, Disney's rules.