Blue Card Grandfathering

[Yinn]

Is it tied to the membership number?

I was mulling a couple of situations over the other day.

Situation 1:
Contract 1: 75 points obtained where it's valid for Blue Card, expires 2042.
Contract 2: Not valid / resale.

If left alone, as of 2043 - or upon selling Contract 1, would that membership ID still be considered a blue card membership? Everything I've read so far leads me to believe the answer to that would be a no.

Situation 2:
Contract 1: 75 points obtained where it's valid for Blue Card, expires 2042.
Contract 2: Not valid / resale.
Contract 3: 75 points obtained direct and today.

If left alone, in 2043 would the membership number be grandfathered under the 75 points rule for blue card? Allowing Contract 3 to satisfy that requirement. Or would it revert to the current 125 point minimum since Contract 3 was obtained after that rule went into effect?

 

[BugsPop]

Are you asking if there is a situation where you can get a 75 point contract that has blue card benefits? If so, that’s a no. The only way to get one now is through buying the minimum required points direct. The benefit is tied to the contract, not the member.. if you have a contract that qualified, along with say 2 others that don’t meet the requirements, and you sell the qualified contract, the blue card benefit is lost at that point.

 

[Marionnette]

Is it tied to the membership number?

I was mulling a couple of situations over the other day.

Situation 1:
Contract 1: 75 points obtained where it's valid for Blue Card, expires 2042.
Contract 2: Not valid / resale.

If left alone, as of 2043 - or upon selling Contract 1, would that membership ID still be considered a blue card membership? Everything I've read so far leads me to believe the answer to that would be a no.

Situation 2:
Contract 1: 75 points obtained where it's valid for Blue Card, expires 2042.
Contract 2: Not valid / resale.
Contract 3: 75 points obtained direct and today.

If left alone, in 2043 would the membership number be grandfathered under the 75 points rule for blue card? Allowing Contract 3 to satisfy that requirement. Or would it revert to the current 125 point minimum since Contract 3 was obtained after that rule went into effect?

Situation #1 - The membership no longer qualifies for blue card benefits due to remaining points not qualifying.

Situation #2 - Blue card membership expires in 2042, when the qualifying points are gone.

 

[Sandisw]

Right now, minimum is 125 to receive a blue card. It is not the membership that carries the card, but the points,

If you sell any contracts that got you the blue card, then you have to reach the new minimum at whatever level it is at that time,

I had a grandfathered BWV contract that gave me a blue card in my Dec UY. But I sold it last year and now that membership is white card only,

I do have direct points via my Aug UY so still have the blue card but if I ever sell RIV, I’d lose it all together.

 

[Yinn]

Are you asking if there is a situation where you can get a 75 point contract that has blue card benefits? If so, that’s a no. The only way to get one now is through buying the minimum required points direct. The benefit is tied to the contract, not the member.. if you have a contract that qualified, along with say 2 others that don’t meet the requirements, and you sell the qualified contract, the blue card benefit is lost at that point.

It's not a question of can you get a 75 point contract. That's a hard no. It's a hypothetical end of contract question and to see if anyone has further information.

Right now, minimum is 125 to receive a blue card. It is not the membership that carries the card, but the points,

If you sell any contracts that got you the blue card, then you have to reach the new minimum at whatever level it is at that time,

I had a grandfathered BWV contract that gave me a blue card in my Dec UY. But I sold it last year and now that membership is white card only,

I do have direct points via my Aug UY so still have the blue card but if I ever sell RIV, I’d lose it all together.

So the sale situations are clear, you're giving up the contract. What sparked it was actually one of your replies. I won't recap it completely but basically it came with splitting out a blue card contract which results in getting a new membership number all together. With one membership no longer having benefits and another retaining benefits.

With a sale, there's a clear transfer which might trigger processing of an account to remove benefits. So I feel that one is pretty straightforward. But what about an expiration of a contract? Maybe it's a bit of a hypothetical and unknown - or maybe not and its in the contract where I haven't read it.

But either way with a sale there's processing that happens. A contract & member ID are reconciled and/or tagged appropriately for benefits. I was wondering if the situation upon expiration may be different. Where let's say someone already owns another direct contract at expiration of the first.

If that contract was say 120 points - purchased today in addition to a prior 75 direct contract. They would have a total of 195 direct points as of today. The 75 points expires 2042, leaving them with only 120 points direct.

1) Would the membership ID# be tagged for 75? Would they still be eligible with their 120 direct?

Now we're collectively saying no, because it's tied to the first contract. I'm inclined to think that way as well. But stick with me...for ease of numbers, let's say the direct minimum is still 125 points for blue card benefits.

To then qualify, you would have to purchase an additional 5 point contract. So when you buy another 5 point contract, the contract numbers aren't merged. They're just placed under the same member ID number. Which contract is then tagged as meeting the minimum? Only the 5 point? The 120 point? Both?

And then of course...what happens when one of those expire?

With multiple contracts to satisfy it starts getting complicated. So it made me wonder if their systems would actually track to that granular level or if it would seven dwarf it and operates at a much more simplistic method than we would think.

 

[Sandisw]

It's not a question of can you get a 75 point contract. That's a hard no. It's a hypothetical end of contract question and to see if anyone has further information.



So the sale situations are clear, you're giving up the contract. What sparked it was actually one of your replies. I won't recap it completely but basically it came with splitting out a blue card contract which results in getting a new membership number all together. With one membership no longer having benefits and another retaining benefits.

With a sale, there's a clear transfer which might trigger processing of an account to remove benefits. So I feel that one is pretty straightforward. But what about an expiration of a contract? Maybe it's a bit of a hypothetical and unknown - or maybe not and its in the contract where I haven't read it.

But either way with a sale there's processing that happens. A contract & member ID are reconciled and/or tagged appropriately for benefits. I was wondering if the situation upon expiration may be different. Where let's say someone already owns another direct contract at expiration of the first.

If that contract was say 120 points - purchased today in addition to a prior 75 direct contract. They would have a total of 195 direct points as of today. The 75 points expires 2042, leaving them with only 120 points direct.

1) Would the membership ID# be tagged for 75? Would they still be eligible with their 120 direct?

Now we're collectively saying no, because it's tied to the first contract. I'm inclined to think that way as well. But stick with me...for ease of numbers, let's say the direct minimum is still 125 points for blue card benefits.

To then qualify, you would have to purchase an additional 5 point contract. So when you buy another 5 point contract, the contract numbers aren't merged. They're just placed under the same member ID number. Which contract is then tagged as meeting the minimum? Only the 5 point? The 120 point? Both?

And then of course...what happens when one of those expire?

With multiple contracts to satisfy it starts getting complicated. So it made me wonder if their systems would actually track to that granular level or if it would seven dwarf it and operates at a much more simplistic method than we would think.

Since the points are what qualify you to get the blue card, I don’t think it matters how many contracts there are in the membership, I still have the same membership that I had with the qualified contract...it has both BWV which was grandfathered in for blue card and then SSR that was not, In my case, as soon as the BWV contract was gone, so went the blue card and it was replaced with a white card.

Literally, the same day the contract disappeared, the membership card changed.

I am going to say that sale or expiration, if the points owned that qualify for member benefits falls below the minimum, one needs to purchase enough to get there, In your example, if you were left with 120 qualified points and the minimum is 125, you would need to get another 25 because DVD doesn’t sell smaller than that,

 

[chalee94]

I am going to say that sale or expiration, if the points owned that qualify for member benefits falls below the minimum, one needs to purchase enough to get there, In your example, if you were left with 120 qualified points and the minimum is 125, you would need to get another 25 because DVD doesn’t sell smaller than that,

I agree with this.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Is it tied to the membership number?

I was mulling a couple of situations over the other day.

Situation 1:
Contract 1: 75 points obtained where it's valid for Blue Card, expires 2042.
Contract 2: Not valid / resale.

If left alone, as of 2043 - or upon selling Contract 1, would that membership ID still be considered a blue card membership? Everything I've read so far leads me to believe the answer to that would be a no.

Situation 2:
Contract 1: 75 points obtained where it's valid for Blue Card, expires 2042.
Contract 2: Not valid / resale.
Contract 3: 75 points obtained direct and today.

If left alone, in 2043 would the membership number be grandfathered under the 75 points rule for blue card? Allowing Contract 3 to satisfy that requirement. Or would it revert to the current 125 point minimum since Contract 3 was obtained after that rule went into effect?

My understanding for Situation #2 is that Contract 1 must be kept. If it's sold then you would need to add on another 50 points direct to reach the 125 points that Contract #3 falls under to qualify the membership for benefits. That's as of today and if the minimum had been raised, say for example to 150 pts, then if that was the timing for selling Contract #1 then you'd have to add on 75 points direct which together with contract #3 would reach the threshold to qualify the membership for the blue card.

 

[we"reofftoneverland]

Is it tied to the membership number?

I was mulling a couple of situations over the other day.

Situation 1:
Contract 1: 75 points obtained where it's valid for Blue Card, expires 2042.
Contract 2: Not valid / resale.

If left alone, as of 2043 - or upon selling Contract 1, would that membership ID still be considered a blue card membership? Everything I've read so far leads me to believe the answer to that would be a no.

Situation 2:
Contract 1: 75 points obtained where it's valid for Blue Card, expires 2042.
Contract 2: Not valid / resale.
Contract 3: 75 points obtained direct and today.

If left alone, in 2043 would the membership number be grandfathered under the 75 points rule for blue card? Allowing Contract 3 to satisfy that requirement. Or would it revert to the current 125 point minimum since Contract 3 was obtained after that rule went into effect?

Once your grandfathered contract 1 expires you no longer have blue card membership. If you purchase another 125 points direct, you have it for the life of that contract. It is confusing but it is tied to the membership as long as you have a valid contract/s.

 

[dvc lover 1970]

Not sure I understand your question, but if you sell your grandfathered contract you will lose the blue card. If you purchase 125 direct you will have the blue card, if you sell that contract you lose the blue card

 

[chalee94]

My understanding for Situation #2 is that Contract 1 must be kept. If it's sold then you would need to add on another 50 points direct to reach the 125 points that Contract #3 falls under to qualify the membership for benefits. That's as of today and if the minimum had been raised, say for example to 150 pts, then if that was the timing for selling Contract #1 then you'd have to add on 75 points direct which together with contract #3 would reach the threshold to qualify the membership for the blue card.

yes. but the hypothetical question is: what happens in 2042?

The general rule has been that the membership number is just for recordkeeping. If I own 2 contracts at BWV and OKW under the same membership, I can't combine them at 11 months because the points have the priority, not the member(ship). If I own qualified 2042 OKW pts and buy a 100 pt direct contract, and then my OKW pts expire...I will no longer have a blue card because I am out of qualified pts...

My membership as such was never really "qualified" - just the OKW contract.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

yes. but the hypothetical question is: what happens in 2042?

The general rule has been that the membership number is just for recordkeeping. If I own 2 contracts at BWV and OKW under the same membership, I can't combine them at 11 months because the points have the priority, not the member(ship). If I own qualified 2042 OKW pts and buy a 100 pt direct contract, and then my OKW pts expire...I will no longer have a blue card because I am out of qualified pts...

My membership as such was never really "qualified" - just the OKW contract.

Expire or sold its the same thing as it's gone.