Bittersweet easter

My oldest daughter went to a local university after high school, Paid for by me for the first year completely. She dropped courses did not attend and failed some. The second year I told her to take out a loan for half and I would pay half thinking that some financial stake in her education would waken her up. She flunked out. She is now back in another college for which I told her to take out loans to pay for, I have helped her with books and that if we are in the financial position I would help her pay back loans for tuition part only. She took out enough loans this year to cover fall winter spring and summer she had enough money. Every time I speak with her she is eating out or going out several times a week . She now claims she has no money for spring coursework and has asked for money. The first college she attended is the same college my youngest received a full scholarship. I really want to tell her now that I am saving for retirement home and you should have spent your money wisely, I cannot afford to go out a few times a week or buy makeup and the beauty counter of department stores. If I did I would have no savings or college money for my kids?
Why should she do these things and still as for funds?

I am going to call bullcrap. They give the money to school and then whatever is left over goes to the student. They don't give you all the money. School gets their cut first.

Plus they DO NOT give the summer money until you are enrolled in summer school.

Ask to see the bills, registration, etc. Something stinks here.
 
She is now back in another college for which I told her to take out loans to pay for, I have helped her with books and that if we are in the financial position I would help her pay back loans for tuition part only. She took out enough loans this year to cover fall winter spring and summer she had enough money.

Just keep telling her no. You fulfilled any obligation to her already to help with college. She is the one that messed up. She is the one that will need to find a way to pay for it!

The first college she attended is the same college my youngest received a full scholarship.

I know it may not seem like a better deal from the financial aspect right now, but a $40,000 a year school might be better for your daughter in the long run. I think you need to sit down with her and see why she would rather attend the more pricey university. Perhaps the academics are better quality, and she would be more prepared for medical school admissions. If she chooses the private university, she is able to get private student loans in her name for the entire cost each year (with a cosigner).
 
She received alot of loan money for fall and winter. As far as I know she did not apply for summer nor spring loans as this is seperate. So she had thousands leftover for fall and winter that she spent foolishly as we had already talked that this extra money she should save for spring summer.
 
She received alot of loan money for fall and winter. As far as I know she did not apply for summer nor spring loans as this is seperate. So she had thousands leftover for fall and winter that she spent foolishly as we had already talked that this extra money she should save for spring summer.

OK, the school takes their cut first.
Plus when you apply you are applying for the whole year. Her story does not match what she is saying.

Before you give her a dime you need to see all the paperwork and talk to the school.
 

I know it may not seem like a better deal from the financial aspect right now, but a $40,000 a year school might be better for your daughter in the long run. I think you need to sit down with her and see why she would rather attend the more pricey university. Perhaps the academics are better quality, and she would be more prepared for medical school admissions. If she chooses the private university, she is able to get private student loans in her name for the entire cost each year (with a cosigner).

I totally agree with this. :thumbsup2 Cheapest is not the way to go with education. Full rides are great, but especially when someone has their eye on medicine or law, they need to choose a school that will look good on their application.
 
I'm currently in school. I get my fall money the school takes there first. Then in the spring I get my school money.

I don't know any school that just gives all the money for the year in one shot. I think you daughter is pulling a fast one on you
 
My oldest is 24 and youngest is 18. My oldest asks for the money or anything and if the outcome is not to her satisfaction than that is always her statement. Also, she will turn to my youngest and tell her they are all yours I am not taking care of them when they are old. No I would say not a joke to frequent and the tone of the conversations. As far as my youngests college decision. She is an aspiring physician. Received and full ride to one university along with Honors admission, not her first choice but no one would be in debt before medical school. Her other choice is a well renowned non Ivy school though with little aid with Honors admission. Her first choice which is only because of its beautiful location has offered a partial scholarship no Honors admission at this time and we are waiting for response to two other programs at this college. Economics, academia, and her choice are all considerations. But this is for my youngest daughter and my husband and myself to consider not anyone who does not have all the information especially economic.

Ok, you seem to have it all down in your head so now it's time to communicate a few things.

Politely but firmly tell your parents that you love them, thank you for the advice but this decision will be made between your daughter and her parents. Period.

Next, your 24 year old. Politely tell her that since she has already decided that she will not be contributing to your life in the future, you must now make decisions to ensure you will enjoy your "golden years" financially secure.
So all financial aide to her is hereby suspended. Nothing shuts a smart mouth up quicker than pointing out reality to her.

I say it's simple a time to take charge a little bit. Your 24 year old gets away with it for one reason, she can. I went to the University of Pittsburgh and after I graduated I decided I would live "la Vida loca" for a while on my parents dime. It ended after I recieved a letter from my Dad it said: "Dear Eliza, this is the last check you will get from us. You can use it to come home or pay your rent, choose wisely because there will be no more" love Pop.
I decided maybe it was time to go home and look for a job. LOL. Hey, it gets cold in Pittsburgh in the winter.
 
I'm currently in school. I get my fall money the school takes there first. Then in the spring I get my school money.

I don't know any school that just gives all the money for the year in one shot. I think you daughter is pulling a fast one on you

I know. She is lying through her teeth.:lmao:
 
The school with the complete scholarship has the third largest medical school in the country. Not as well renowned but still a decent medical school and undergraduate school. The scholarship is for an undergraduate degree and does not at this point include any money for med school.
 
OP, having attended more than one college, i can tell you, your 24 year old is pulling a fast one. she frittered away her leftover loan money and now wants you to pay the bills. PLEASE, for her sake, DON'T DO IT! my grandmother has enabled my mother and uncle all their lives, and ended up supporting my uncle until his death, and is now supporting my mother. my grandmother is 81 years old and in failing health, and when she dies, my mother will be on the streets, because none of us can afford to keep her up and have no room to take her in. this is my mother's own fault, because she withdrew her retirement money early and blew it all (she is now disabled and on SS), bought a riverfront home she couldn't afford, and allowed her ex-boyfriend to max out almost a dozen credit cards in her name.

i'm telling you this pitiful story because your 24 yo daughter sounds a LOT like my mom-"live for today, who cares about tomorrow?" was her motto. now she's in the process of bankruptcy and dependent on her elderly mother for her survival. PLEASE stand up to your daughter and tell her the gravy train has come to a halt. she needs to be responsible for ALL of her own bills (yes, she CAN get a job, millions of college students also work) and expenses, including school. i know it sounds harsh, and she may hate you for it at first, but it is the ONLY way she's going to get on her feet.

i apologize if i've overstepped, but there is still hope for your daughter to learn a lesson-that same lesson has come too late for my mom to save her finances, bankruptcy is now her ONLY option.
 
Why should she do these things and still as for funds?
Because you allow it.

It sounds like for 24 years you have given her everything she has every wanted without requiring any responsibility in return.

This may come off as being extremely nasty, but she is not the only one at fault. Someone allowed her to behave & act this way. That is why she has turned in to the adult she now is.

Good luck. Sounds like you don't have an easy road ahead of you. :hug:
 
The grandparents give her money also or will co sign. We purchased a car after high school for which she stopped helping pay for. We were stuck with the car because she left home one day when I told her the boyfriend could not stay until two or three in the morning. She did not take the car with her and we were left with the bill. Her grandparents cosigned for her a car and they all lied to me that they did not until I seen a statement. I also did the cell phone thing with her and she ran the bill up and when I took it away she told grandpa and he tried to come to her rescue calling me up and telling me I am being unreasonable. It is the grandparents who enforce this behavior and I am the bad guy. This is how it was on Easter.
 
WOW OP, first you got slammed on Easter, then here. Poor you, I hope you have a better day today. For what it's worth, I don't think you are the bad guy at all:flower3:
 
My oldest daughter went to a local university after high school, Paid for by me for the first year completely. She dropped courses did not attend and failed some. The second year I told her to take out a loan for half and I would pay half thinking that some financial stake in her education would waken her up. She flunked out. She is now back in another college for which I told her to take out loans to pay for, I have helped her with books and that if we are in the financial position I would help her pay back loans for tuition part only. She took out enough loans this year to cover fall winter spring and summer she had enough money. Every time I speak with her she is eating out or going out several times a week . She now claims she has no money for spring coursework and has asked for money. The first college she attended is the same college my youngest received a full scholarship. I really want to tell her now that I am saving for retirement home and you should have spent your money wisely, I cannot afford to go out a few times a week or buy makeup and the beauty counter of department stores. If I did I would have no savings or college money for my kids?
Why should she do these things and still as for funds?

Tell her she's on her own. Tell her she should go back to school and get good grades and THEN you might discuss helping her financially. Many kids are putting themselves through school. Cut off her supplies except for Christmas, birthday and an occassional Sunday dinner at home. This is a good time to show little sister what the expectations are as it comes to Mom and Dad contributing to her education. When your parents interfere, walk away. Let them support her, you've done your job. They are dumb. It's that simple.
 
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The problem is the discussion starts from them. They bring it up and do not discuss but try to influence based on no information. She can go whereever she wants but cannot afford to go. I am more level headed and feel who should turn down a free four year degree. We are not rich nor poor so qualifying for aid is touchy. She can discuss it with them but when they start badgering me than it becomes a different story. It's quite simple. When anyone other than you, DH and your youngest DD start chiming in about where youngest DD will go to college, smile and say "Thank you for your input". And yes it was said by my oldest during this if they do not let you go and pay where you want what nursing home will it be this one or that one. It is disgusting. To turn such a happy time for my youngest into a personal attack is just beyond my realm of understanding. I just do not treat people like this. It simply is a family decision. My oldest spends her money irresponsibly. Then why do you give her more? We pay for some car repairs, dental, vision and some medical. Why? She is 24, does not live at home, why are you paying for anything for her? She is ungrateful. She knows she is free to come here and take food as I am a Budget couponer with a stash of food and personal items, she is just so ungreatful and worries about what she does not have instead of what she has. My oldest does not live at home.
Frankly OP, here's what I would do.

I would allow my youngest DD to go to school wherever she wishes to go, I would contribute what I could afford to contribute to her education and I would assist her in taking out student loans in her name that she will be responsible for paying back for the rest of the balance. Realistically, it is HER decision where to go to school. With making that decision comes the responsibility and consequences that are associated with it...that being loans to pay back. That's what adults do. They make their decisions and then they deal with the consequences.

As far as the older DD, if she ever said "Wait till you see the nursing home I put you in if you don't do what I say" (which is essentially what she is saying, if not in so many words), here's what would happen. She'd be paying for her own car repairs, vision, medical and dental and she'd be buying her own groceries and when she made a stink about it, I'd say "I have to save my money so I can aofford a better nursing home than the one you are planning on putting me in". Older DD is WAY past the time when she should be being supported by Mommy & Daddy in any way, especially since she is totally ungrateful for what she does get. She'd be putting on her big girl panties and dealing with her life really quicky if she was my kid.
 
WOW OP, first you got slammed on Easter, then here. Poor you, I hope you have a better day today. For what it's worth, I don't think you are the bad guy at all:flower3:

No one is saying she is a "bad guy". :confused3

We are informing her that her oldest is pulling a fast one on her. Obviously she does not understand the loan process and now she knows.

OP, find out the truth. This is what gives your dd her upper hand. It is like a magicians trick. She flusters you about other things so you don't see what is really going on.:hug::hug::hug:
 
You say everything seems to be a "group decision"? I would say only those helping to pay get a voice in the decision!
 







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