Biometric Finger Scanners and how they work.

[civileng68]

Article 1

Article 2

Article 3

 

[Shells9]

From Article Two:
Although Disney does not currently use a customer tracking system, out of contract obligations to a sponsor (is my understanding)

Wonder which sponsor, and if that is something that Disney would be looking to remove at the first possibility...Anyone have any info?

 

[SeattleMark]

I thought the blog post (article 2) was very revealing. Do you honestly think if Big Brother (I mean Bush) wanted to track everyojne there, that Disney would actually announce it? It also said the only thing "holding them back" was a signed contract with someone? That goes against everthing stated in article 1, the All Ears article. It states that there's absolutely no data like that captured, it's only "geometric data". To quote: "This admission system has nothing to do with your fingerprints. It scans your index and middle fingers and uses a geometric formula to come up with a number that will identify your fingers. ", I'm sorry, but that's just BS. If there's an optical scan of your fingers, it's looking at your fingerprints. It's just storing them numerically rather than graphically.

I absolutely HATE this new system. I know you can just show a picture ID and get a bypass, but there are numerous reports that it hoses up your ability to get Fast Passes if you do that.

Hate it, hate it hate it.

<end of rant>

 

[athenna]

I can't wait to see how this works out for my 65 year old father with memory/coordination problems

 

[Shells9]

I can't wait to see how this works out for my 65 year old father with memory/coordination problems

I believe the impact would be minimal for him, really. All he needs to do is put his finges in the thingie, and someone could help him by placing his hand there if his coordination won't allow him to do so.

It is a little bit of a pain, but we have Ap's so we're used to it.

 

[athenna]

I believe the impact would be minimal for him, really. All he needs to do is put his finges in the thingie, and someone could help him by placing his hand there if he his coordination won't allow him to do so.

It is a little bit of a pain, but we have Ap's so we're used to it.

Thanks for the reassurance, I would just hate for him to feel ''dumb'' ( I think he's great, but I wouln't want him to feel bad) or embarrased. The CM's are usually nice enough that they'll help him if there is a problem.

 

[civileng68]

I thought the blog post (article 2) was very revealing. Do you honestly think if Big Brother (I mean Bush) wanted to track everyojne there, that Disney would actually announce it? It also said the only thing "holding them back" was a signed contract with someone? That goes against everthing stated in article 1, the All Ears article. It states that there's absolutely no data like that captured, it's only "geometric data". To quote: "This admission system has nothing to do with your fingerprints. It scans your index and middle fingers and uses a geometric formula to come up with a number that will identify your fingers. ", I'm sorry, but that's just BS. If there's an optical scan of your fingers, it's looking at your fingerprints. It's just storing them numerically rather than graphically.

I absolutely HATE this new system. I know you can just show a picture ID and get a bypass, but there are numerous reports that it hoses up your ability to get Fast Passes if you do that.

Hate it, hate it hate it.

<end of rant>

I completely agree with you. however, the Article 1 says that they dont use the optical and that even your number that the system assigns you is not actually a unique number but that the number is rare enough so that when you go through, statically you are who is on the ticket.

I get from the Article 1 that the system uses basically measurements of your fingers and not so much finger prints.

however the other article suggests that they do in fact have "the ability" to track you as they wish, even on FP's.

 

[Okiemom]

Does everyone get scan? Or just the AP holders? If it is everyone, It looks like the lines to get in would be really long.

 

[civileng68]

Does everyone get scan? Or just the AP holders? If it is everyone, It looks like the lines to get in would be really long.

Everyone except handicap or one day tickets gets scanned.

The lines dont normally get too long since they have so many stations.

However the lines that you are in do have to sometimes wait for a long time and it gets a little hectic when multiple people cannot get through due to the sensitivity of the system.

I really dislike it and wish they would use something else but as one article says, maybe they DO want it so they can track us, if not to sell the information, for their own personal marketing so they know how often people visit and where they are coming from.

 

[athenna]

Does everyone get scan? Or just the AP holders? If it is everyone, It looks like the lines to get in would be really long.

No, it's just AP holders.

 

[TSR6]

No, it's just AP holders.

All Magic Your Way tickets ( The new ticket media ), Annual passes, and Cast ID's require biometrics.

 

[athenna]

All Magic Your Way tickets ( The new ticket media ), Annual passes, and Cast ID's require biometrics.

Ph, I 'm sorry, I really did think it was just AP holder's.
Sorry, I'm new to the whole biometrics thingie.

 

[tjmw2727]

I thought the blog post (article 2) was very revealing. Do you honestly think if Big Brother (I mean Bush) wanted to track everyojne there, that Disney would actually announce it? It also said the only thing "holding them back" was a signed contract with someone? That goes against everthing stated in article 1, the All Ears article. It states that there's absolutely no data like that captured, it's only "geometric data". To quote: "This admission system has nothing to do with your fingerprints. It scans your index and middle fingers and uses a geometric formula to come up with a number that will identify your fingers. ", I'm sorry, but that's just BS. If there's an optical scan of your fingers, it's looking at your fingerprints. It's just storing them numerically rather than graphically.

I absolutely HATE this new system. I know you can just show a picture ID and get a bypass, but there are numerous reports that it hoses up your ability to get Fast Passes if you do that.

Hate it, hate it hate it.

<end of rant>

Just fyi one person in our group this February used an ID to bypass the scanners every day in our 6 day trip. FWIW she never had a problem with the fastpass system.

TJ

 

[Shells9]

maybe they DO want it so they can track us, if not to sell the information, for their own personal marketing so they know how often people visit and where they are coming from.

I can totally understand that, and would question why they would NOT do that, for their own purposes. One thing I find curious is this: When we go through the turnstyles using our APs, on the CM side of the turnstyle it says something to the tune of FL Res Renewal AP -- that's quite a bit of info there, including the fact that this is not my first AP, but a renewal. Then, a few feet from the turnstyle there are CM's, asking me my zip code. Now, I would think the only people who enter the park whose zip code they would not be able to track through their own systems are day/offsite guests. MYW tickets are tied to a room, which has a zip code attached to it.

What portion of total park guests does anyone think those are?

 

[TSR6]

I can totally understand that, and would question why they would NOT do that, for their own purposes. One thing I find curious is this: When we go through the turnstyles using our APs, on the CM side of the turnstyle it says something to the tune of FL Res Renewal AP -- that's quite a bit of info there, including the fact that this is not my first AP, but a renewal. Then, a few feet from the turnstyle there are CM's, asking me my zip code. Now, I would think the only people who enter the park whose zip code they would not be able to track through their own systems are day/offsite guests. MYW tickets are tied to a room, which has a zip code attached to it.

What portion of total park guests does anyone think those are?

Shells - At the turnstile itself, the only information the CM can see is:

• Type of pass
• Where you bought it and when
• How much the pass costs
• The last turnstile uses

This information is just used to verify that it is that person's ticket. Should there be a problem, the CM can ask some simple questions to verify the ticket's owner. ( this is pre-magic your way ).

 

[DLKT]

Then, a few feet from the turnstyle there are CM's, asking me my zip code. Now, I would think the only people who enter the park whose zip code they would not be able to track through their own systems are day/offsite guests. MYW tickets are tied to a room, which has a zip code attached to it.

I don't think the zip code pollers are related to the turnstyle area.
I think they're independant.
And you don't have to tell anyone anything.
I always just say "No thanks" to zip code questions either in Disney or just shopping.
(I also can't believe people also give out thier phone numbers at a cash registers when asked either!)

 

[JQuatt21]

Athena,
I know you are concerned but it is not that bad. I have had some experience these finger scanners and have brought my grandmother places where she had to be scanned. The only thing they have to do is place their index finger on a glass box. 99% of the cases, you can assist them by guiding their finger. It only takes a few seconds. So if you have to help your father, you will be fine. I know how u r feeling. Best of Luck.

CONTEMP. RULES!!!

 

[TSR6]

I don't think the zip code pollers are related to the turnstyle area.
I think they're independant.
And you don't have to tell anyone anything.
I always just say "No thanks" to zip code questions either in Disney or just shopping.
(I also can't believe people also give out thier phone numbers at a cash registers when asked either!)

Yeah, the data collection people are completely sepperate from any sort of ticketing.

 

[civileng68]

Actually Shell,

One reason they ask you for your zip code is to verify that you are who owns the ticket. A CM at Epcot told me about it this time when we went.

Evidently the scans dont always work as the numbers are not 100% unique.

When I went in the CM asked me my zip and I told her. Then she said "ok, you'd be amazed how many people try to use other people's tickets and dont even know any of their information".

 

[TSR6]

Actually Shell,

One reason they ask you for your zip code is to verify that you are who owns the ticket. A CM at Epcot told me about it this time when we went.

Evidently the scans dont always work as the numbers are not 100% unique.

When I went in the CM asked me my zip and I told her. Then she said "ok, you'd be amazed how many people try to use other people's tickets and dont even know any of their information".

civil - was this at the turnstiles, or at guest relations?

I know guest relations, depending on the ticket type, may be able to see your zip code after scanning the ticket.

Unless something has changed with the turnstiles with the new Magic Your Way tickets, I'm almost positive that your zip code isn't attached to the ticket as far as the turnstile can read.