Bin Laden - celebrations

[Freyja]

I dont think a mass murderer deserves any consideration.

Curious to know. Does anyone know how many people Bin Laden killed? I mean personally?

 

[TLSnell1981]

Human nature hasn't changed in...oh, I say EVER. Our cultures are different and we'll NEVER agree. Pretty much why, there will NEVER be peace on earth...or the DIS.

 

[akhenaten]

Let me start by saying how happy I am that Bin Laden was caught. I think it´s amazing that the US Army was able to find him after all these years!
BUT....and yes, there is a but, I am disgusted by the celebrations in the streets. Just as much as I was disgusted by seeing muslim celebrations after 9/11.

Frejya... This American agrees with you... I was disturbed by the reaction... people acted like we won a football game... very sad...

My personal reaction at home was that I was glad we got him but I did not want to cheer or jump up and down in the streets ...

 

[Mermaid02]

Ya know, this is exhausting... I was going to leave pages ago and instead I and most of the posters just keep going round and round in a circle.

Freyja... I'm sorry you think Americans celebrating the only "justice" we will ever get from OBL "disgusting" and equate it with his followers celebrating and burning American flags when he was responsible for taking 3000 innocent lives here on American soil that beautiful September morning. I don't understand the equation but so be it.

 

[WDSearcher]

If you realize that, why did you say "the Muslims" in your post? That contradicts your disclaimer.

No it doesn't.

She said "as opposed to the Muslims celebrating mass murder on 9/11." By saying "the Muslims", she's restricting her criticism to only those specific Muslims who celebrated on 9/11. (I imagine she included the disclaimer just to be perfectly clear that she only meant "the Muslims celebrating" and not "all Muslims".)

 

[TLSnell1981]

Ya know, this is exhausting... I was going to leave pages ago and instead I and most of the posters just keep going round and round in a circle.

Freyja... I'm sorry you think Americans celebrating the only "justice" we will ever get from OBL "disgusting" and equate it with his followers celebrating and burning American flags when he was responsible for taking 3000 innocent lives here on American soil that beautiful September morning. I don't understand the equation but so be it.

I can look, at photos of that morning, and still "feel it". No captions necessary, I remember it all. I was there, a couple of weeks later, and still remember the smell. I didn't party in the street, but understand why some had the need.

 

[Mrs. Ciz]

The OP is not the only person in the world (or even this country) to feel the celebrations are distasteful. World religious leaders and US news folks are saying the same thing. John Stossel even made the comparison to the middle eastern celebrations during 9/11.

Statement from the Vatican: The Vatican said the killing of al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden, a man who sowed division and hatred and who caused "innumerable" deaths, should prompt serious reflection about one's responsibility before God, not rejoicing.

The Vatican statement May 2 came the day after President Barack Obama announced that U.S. forces had killed bin Laden in an attack on his hideout in northwest Pakistan. In several U.S. cities, the news prompted street demonstrations and expressions of jubilation.

Jesuit Father Federico Lombardi, the Vatican spokesman, released a brief written statement reacting to the news.

"Osama bin Laden, as we all know, bore the most serious responsibility for spreading divisions and hatred among populations, causing the deaths of innumerable people, and manipulating religions to this end," Father Lombardi said.

"In the face of a man's death, a Christian never rejoices, but reflects on the serious responsibilities of each person before God and before men, and hopes and works so that every event may be the occasion for the further growth of peace and not of hatred," the spokesman said.



May 2, 2011 04:46 PM UTC by John Stossel

Usama’s Dead, But the Reaction?
It’s great news that our military finally killed Usama bin Laden!

Justice has been served, but I’m uncomfortable with some of the reaction. I agree with what Radley Balko writes:

There was something unsettling about watching giddy crowds bounce around beach balls and climb telephone poles last night, as if they were in the lawn seats at a rock festival. Solemn and somber appreciation that an evil man is gone seemed like the more appropriate reaction.

We should remember how America-haters partied in the streets after 9/11. Glenn Greenwald points out that our reaction could stir more violence:

Whenever America uses violence in a way that makes its citizens cheer, beam with nationalistic pride, and rally around their leader, more violence is typically guaranteed.

And of course the death of bin Laden doesn’t mean that we’ve won the War on Terror. One CNN commentator declared that the war has ended. Cameras captured US naval cadets chanting “I believe that we have won!”

But let’s not kid ourselves. Greenwald asks legitimate questions:

… [W]hat, if anything, is going to change as a result of the two bullets in Osama bin Laden's head? Are we going to fight fewer wars or end the ones we've started? Are we going to see a restoration of some of the civil liberties which have been eroded at the alter of this scary Villain Mastermind? Is the War on Terror over? Are we safer now?


Read more: http://stossel.blogs.foxbusiness.com/2011/05/02/usama’s-dead-but-the-reaction/#ixzz1LKPK7SIt

 

[Swalphin]

God Stossel is on Fox now who'd he PO.Does he still have the stach.

 

[snapppyd]

Curious to know. Does anyone know how many people Bin Laden killed? I mean personally?

Okaaayyyy!!!!! I hear Charles Manson didn't "personally" kill anyone either. So they are not responsible???

 

[WDSearcher]

The problem is that the OP likened her disgust level of the celebrations yesterday to the ones she witnessed after 9/11. You can't come here, as a non-American, and tell a bunch of Americans that their choice to celebrate the justice served to OBL is as disgusting as those who cheered in the streets for the 9/11 attacks and NOT expect to get some backlash.

Oh don't be silly. Of course you can. Although I suspect the OP figured there'd be opinions on both sides.

But, just for the record, if OP was an American, could she have come here and told a bunch of other Americans that their choice to celebrate the justice served to OBL is as disgusting as those who cheered in the streets for the 9/11 attacks with no backlash?

Because I'm thinking that she'd have gotten a smackdown either way. You don't need to make it about being a "non-American" to give it weight. You'd have disagreed with her no matter where she was from.

But try to remember that there are a whole bunch of "non-Americans" out there fighting with the US forces. And a whole lot of "non-Americans" who died on 9/11 and at the hands of other Al Quaeda actions over the past decade. This isn't just an American thing. bin Laden didn't just kill Americans.

 

[Freyja]

Okaaayyyy!!!!! I hear Charles Manson didn't "personally" kill anyone either. So they are not responsible???

Of course they are responsible. Just as Hitler was responsible! In no way did I mean to imply that they weren´t. I´m just curious to know how many he killed by himself because I suspect that he mostly got other to do his dirty laundry.

Oh don't be silly. Of course you can. Although I suspect the OP figured there'd be opinions on both sides.

But, just for the record, if OP was an American, could she have come here and told a bunch of other Americans that their choice to celebrate the justice served to OBL is as disgusting as those who cheered in the streets for the 9/11 attacks with no backlash?

Because I'm thinking that she'd have gotten a smackdown either way. You don't need to make it about being a "non-American" to give it weight. You'd have disagreed with her no matter where she was from.

But try to remember that there are a whole bunch of "non-Americans" out there fighting with the US forces. And a whole lot of "non-Americans" who died on 9/11 and at the hands of other Al Quaeda actions over the past decade. This isn't just an American thing. bin Laden didn't just kill Americans.

There have been Icelandic men fighting with US troops and as I pointed out earlier there was a higher percentage of Icelandic people who died on 9/11 then there was of Americans.

 

[luvmy3]

Oh don't be silly. Of course you can. Although I suspect the OP figured there'd be opinions on both sides. If the OP has spent any time on the DIS she would know exactly what to expect when posting that.

But, just for the record, if OP was an American, could she have come here and told a bunch of other Americans that their choice to celebrate the justice served to OBL is as disgusting as those who cheered in the streets for the 9/11 attacks with no backlash?
No, same comment would get the same backlash, except of course without the "you're not an American"

Because I'm thinking that she'd have gotten a smackdown either way. You don't need to make it about being a "non-American" to give it weight. You'd have disagreed with her no matter where she was from.

True, but I believe that was addressed in the thread already. The problem with her voicing her opinion here is that she can't possible understand how (some) Americans feel about BLs death, through no fault of her own, just because of the simple fact that the events of 9/11 didn't occur in her backyard.

But try to remember that there are a whole bunch of "non-Americans" out there fighting with the US forces. And a whole lot of "non-Americans" who died on 9/11 and at the hands of other Al Quaeda actions over the past decade. This isn't just an American thing. bin Laden didn't just kill Americans.

Never said it was just an American thing, but again, justice was served for what occurred on 9/11 in America.

FTR, I don't care that the OP isn't an American, she is entitled to her opinion about any world event. The post you quoted was just my opinion about "what the problem" was in this thread and why she got the reaction she did. My personal problem with the OPs post is merely the fact that she feels a comparison of the celebrations, and I am disgusted by anyone, American or otherwise who feels there is one.

 

[akhenaten]

I think most of us (aka Americans) are on the same page about celebrating, it's up to you to what extent you feel like celebrating the event. It's the "not American(s)" who are having a problem with it, for the most part. At least from what I can remember from this spiraling funnel cloud of a thread.

How can you even presume to know what page "most" Americans are on???
You have absolutely no way of knowing that!!
That is one of the problems we have right now... everyone takes sides and presumes that "most" people feel like they do.. instead of realizing that what makes our country great is the variety of opinions and (usually/in the past) the ability to work together and find a common ground!

 

[PrincessKsMom]

Curious to know. Does anyone know how many people Bin Laden killed? I mean personally?

Curious to know. Does anyone know how many people Hitler killed? I mean personally?

 

[Swalphin]

Of course they are responsible. Just as Hitler was responsible! In no way did I mean to imply that they weren´t. I´m just curious to know how many he killed by himself because I suspect that he mostly got other to do his dirty laundry.



There have been Icelandic men fighting with US troops and as I pointed out earlier there was a higher percentage of Icelandic people who died on 9/11 then there was of Americans.

Well now that you put it that way, 6 people total if I remember correctly.
How many on the USS Cole!!!

 

[Freyja]

Curious to know. Does anyone know how many people Hitler killed? I mean personally?

Please read what I read above before jumping to any conclusions (you seem awfully keen to do that).
"Of course they are responsible. Just as Hitler was responsible! In no way did I mean to imply that they weren´t. I´m just curious to know how many he killed by himself because I suspect that he mostly got other to do his dirty laundry. "

 

[Freyja]

Well now that you put it that way, 6 people total if I remember correctly.
How many on the USS Cole!!!

True. 6 Icelandic people, out of 300 000.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

True. 6 Icelandic people, out of 300 000.

In the grand scheme, it doesn't really matter who has higher percentages.

Enough of this!

It just all seems so holier than thou on all sides on whose right and whose wrong and you guys are just bickering back and forth.

WTG! Osama is dead and instead of being unified, folks are as divided as ever on who is right and who is wrong. Point goes to Osama. Even in his death, he causes destruction.

For shame!

 

[akhenaten]

Why are we comparing numbers of deaths... one death is too many...

and ether way Freyja is entitled to her opinion..

No one has to prove they were affected more by any of these terror attacks to have an opinion!!

 

[Freyja]

Why are we comparing numbers of deaths... one death is too many...

and ether way Freyja is entitled to her opinion..

No one has to prove they were affected more by any of these terror attacks to have an opinion!!

My "comparison" was just meant as a response to those who kept telling me that since I wasn´t American I couldn´t possible begin to imagine what it was like to experience 9/11 and others who in response had pointed out that there in fact where lots of other nationalities who lost their people that day.