Been Shopping for a HDTV

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No one probably noticed :lmao: but I've been substantially off-the-grid for the last week or so, just checking in on the threads I had already subscribed to. I've made another go at trying to understand the massively complicated world of HDTV, so we could finally make our purchase. I'm a degreed scientist, with a whole career in international business management behind me, and pretty well into a new career as a software engineer, but this HDTV stuff is really hard!!! How do they expect someone like my mother to make an HDTV purchase? I wonder if that is why HDTV adoption is running slower than anticipated originally -- people just cannot figure out what to buy!

Anyway, it's coming together. I went with a Samsung 50" DLP (and the research and analysis that went into choosing DLP technology, and then the manufacturer, was basically as much as for my Master's thesis). My wife insisted on getting the model that just came out, instead of buying last year's model, which would have been my choice, because we saw them in Circuit City side-by-side, and picture quality so noticeably better with the new model. That was surprising because the feed wasn't anywhere as good as either of the televisions, so what that indicated to her was that the newer model handles variable quality feeds better than the old model. Okay.

We have had a little bit of a tough time tracking one down and getting it delivered. Saturday is the day, hopefully. Unfortunately, the matching stand won't arrive until early next week, so it'll sit on the floor for a few days. Not a big deal, since the stand is only 18" high. (Big televisions need to sit closer to the ground so your eyes are still center-screen.)

But wait, there's more.

So you have a television... what are you going to feed into it? Your same-old-same-old square box standard cable television signal? And waste all that extra space on the left and right of the screen? Noooo, of course not. So research project two commenced: Dish Network, DirecTV, and cable HD options were explored. The nuances that ended up making the difference between satellite and cable were subtle (satellite requires a much bigger commitment, causes more hassles with my condo association, and seems to risk more money long-term).

And it didn't stop there. What's the point in spending $2k on a great television when you're listening to the audio on speakers that came with the cheap stereo system you purchased 14 years ago? Good new speaker systems are a very small fraction of the price of a new HDTV (I got ours for under $200), but there are tons of choices there too, because the less expensive ones, now, all come with DVD players, and so you need to decide whether you want to pay extra for progressive signal or not (or something like that). I gave up with the research at this point and just bought the least expensive one that was recommended by the television manufacturer.

One thing I noticed is that there are online communities for this, as the DIS is for Disney theme parks. It does make me wonder what newbies coming here to the DIS think of it all, because the HDTV forums were mind-boggling to me. Most of the "relevant" threads I found were about 100 pages long, 30 messages per page, and contained some really arcane stuff ("Does the light come from the bottom or from the four corners?"), requiring separate research to understand what each thread was actually talking about.

So good luck anyone heading down this road soon. You've got less than three years to get your act together, so it might be time to start thinking about it! :)
 
Was this the AVS forums?

My boyfriend and I ended up buying something we didn't even research because the picture of what we bought looked so much better than the model we wanted in the store. And of course it cost twice as much.

Congratulations on your new family member.
 
Hope you like your new Samsung!

DH got a Pioneer 50" plasma after a lot of researching(months). That was a little over 3 years ago. He liked it so much he got another 42" and a couple of other slightly smaller plasma screens for other rooms in the house. He love them for sports, movies etc. Actually we all do. We have Comcast HDTV Box with all the fancies that go along with it. So far no complaints on the TV's or Service, or the sound systems to go along with them. It is quite a decision, who wants to dish out that kind of money and have something else come out that you like better.
Enjoy your new View!
Why do you say less than 3 years to make a decision, is everyone going to have to switch over to HDTV?

I almost forgot to comment about your online forums for HDTV's, I think there is a forum for everything these days. When I was buying a laptop I went to notebookforum.com and found out everything I needed to know about laptops and got all my questions answered there until I was satisfied that I was buying the perfect laptop! The WWW is amazing at times, isn't it? I feel so connected LOL
 
But what about the power filter/surge protector?? You DO have that $$$$ on a surge protector, right? The $200 one that filters the "sound" from the power, right????

:teeth:
 

Ahh I feel your pain.

We just bought a 37" LG LCD HDTV, and then had to upgrade to HD cable box, which ended up being cheaper than what I pay now, because they had a one year special with the high speed internet.

It took quite a bit of research for us too. The one thing I found is even though the picture is fabulous in the store, its not exactly the same at home.

We are very happy with it.
 
Congratulations!!!!

We have had a little bit of a tough time tracking one down and getting it delivered. Saturday is the day, hopefully. Unfortunately, the matching stand won't arrive until early next week, so it'll sit on the floor for a few days. Not a big deal, since the stand is only 18" high. (Big televisions need to sit closer to the ground so your eyes are still center-screen.)

I work in the 'biz' (although NOT at Circuit) and if it's the model I'm thinking of, they have been in VERY tight supply, but the pipeline has just started opening. Enjoy it. It's a HUGE BEASTIE of a TV, but it's pretty spectacular.
 
Enjoy your new TV! We went through the same thing a few months ago. I was afraid of making such an expensive purchase, so I started researching at the AVS forum. It can be so confusing (and I have a degree in Computer Science, so I do understand technical things normally!). We ended up buying the 60" Sony XBR (I wanted the 50" one, but DH had to get the bigger one). We already get DirecTV, so we had to upgrade to a HD receiver with Tivo. Our house is wired for surround sound, so now we have to get some speakers installed.

Don't forget to get a new upconvert DVD! That is next on our list.
 
Hello again. Since we both posted an older HDTV thread I've also purchased a Samsung DLP. We're very happy with ours.

One thing of note is that I discovered that the local network HDTV channels are on the basic cable service and the internal HDTV tuner inside the Sumsung DLP will display them. Once you have it hooked up look for channels above the highest basic cable channel. If your area is like mine you'll find channels like 81-4 and 83-4 which are the HD or digital versions of your local network channels. It comes down to the fact that, in my area, paying for digital cable HDTV gets you the other HDTV signals, but you don't need it to get the local stuff IF your TV has a built in tuner.

But if you are like us, you tape a lot of shows and VCR's will not tape in HDTV. So we will be upgrading to digital HDTV cable with a DVR come fall.

As for the sound, there are still receiver/speaker deals that don't include a DVD player. If you don't already have at least a 5.1 surround receiver I would recommend getting one. Personally I have a great Sony receiver and a Velodyne speaker system. Velodyne is considered one of the top subwoofer companies and that is the most imortant piece of a home theater sound package.

I second the other poster who said to get a new upconvert DVD player. They are really cheap these days and the new one will be much better than any current on you could have. Be sure it has a HDMI out connector which is what you need to get the top resolution.
 
Congratulations on your new family member.
Thanks!

Why do you say less than 3 years to make a decision, is everyone going to have to switch over to HDTV?
No, not really, but after February 2009, you will need either a television with an HDTV tuner, an HDTV set-top converted box, or satellite or cable television service. The over-the-air non-digital television stations that we've all come to know and love since before most of us were born (VHF 2-13 and UHF 14-83) will all go off the air for good.

But what about the power filter/surge protector?? You DO have that $$$$ on a surge protector, right? The $200 one that filters the "sound" from the power, right????
Ohmygosh. Actually, I did buy a UPS with surge protection in it a few years ago, which I haven't used. If it has enough wattage (350W!!!!) then I'll use that.

Don't forget to get a new upconvert DVD!
I decided against that. I bought a new HT (amp, receiver, but most importantly, speakers -- our old ones suck badly) that came with a 5-disc, regular progressive scan DVD, that matches the new television. The upconverting DVD would have doubled the price of the HT.

I've also purchased a Samsung DLP.
Great minds. :rotfl: I'm not really surprised, though, that you and I came to the same conclusion... that seems to happen a lot! :rmao:

It comes down to the fact that, in my area, paying for digital cable HDTV gets you the other HDTV signals, but you don't need it to get the local stuff IF your TV has a built in tuner.
Yes, it's actually illegal for the cable company to scramble those signals. However, we want HBO and SHO in HD, and we want a DVR that can time-shift my HD watching (we never watch live television), so we might as well use the cable company's box.

If you don't already have at least a 5.1 surround receiver I would recommend getting one.
Our old stereo system had Dolby Surround Sound (the original). The new on is 5.1 (not 6.1). I think it'll be good enough for us; I think the new speakers are going to be ten times better than the old ones.

They are really cheap these days and the new one will be much better than any current on you could have. Be sure it has a HDMI out connector which is what you need to get the top resolution.
As I mentioned, the HT had a DVD player with it, so I think we'll go for that for now. Like you said, we can always add an upconverting DVD player on top of that, later.
 
I forgot to mention getting a UPS with surge protection. It's very important with a DLP because of the lamp. If the power should go out you need something to run the fan.
 
Well, the television should be in the truck on its way here... they promised delivery by 11:30 am. The television stand, however, is somewhere between San Pablo, CA and here. Argh. We've got a couple of STEP aerobics steps which should be okay for a few days.

I checked into the UPS situation. FWIR, it's really unnecessary. The reason why the lamp has a fan is that without the fan the lamp will overheat. However, in a power-outage, the lamp gets no power, generates no heat, and therefore will have no problem cooling-off on its own. It's not as good as having the fan cool it off every time, but for the very few times we'll encounter power-outages while watching the set, a UPS won't make a big difference.
 
Oh my, you are getting sucked into the massive money pit of THE HOME THEATER! It can be quite fun. Hubby started looking at large TVs about 3 years ago. I said we didn't need it. We didn't. Then one day he said he had dreamed about a huge TV since he was a child. Well, he is a good hubby--we don't spend our money on friviolous things--and he works very hard at his job. We got the huge TV. The TV needed speakers, gold-tipped cable connectors, a reciever, etc. And it was ugly, so the TV needed an entertainment center to wrap around it. Then we needed a large rug, so that the speaker wires would not be visible or tripped over. It is one expensive TV now. But we love it. He has pieced together an awesome sound system for this beast. On the rare times we go to the movies, we leave saying we will get the movie on DVD, because our sound system at home is better than the theater.

You know you have home theater issues when your sub-woofer is the size of a water heater! Enjoy!
 
Oh good heavens...
I just had all the cable boxes and electical boxes put in the walls of 2 rooms -
and the nightmare is just beginning by the sound of it!
thanks for sharing your insight!
 
We just bought our second HDTV today. This one is for our bedroom. I have this whole thing down pat now! Cable company is coming out with a second box on Monday! :banana: I am the techy in my family. :teeth:

Congratulations on your purchases!
 
We actually tried the TV the OP mentioned in the first post, but a 42 inch DLP version. It was just too big for our place. The picture was beautiful, but it was behemoth!

We then tried a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th TV. Either it didn't fit, the picture lines were crooked or the background was blurry.

We wound up with a 42 inch LG HDTV and love it. Its much thinner and good picture.

We also had the same problem with Directv, and getting HD local channels that other experienced. We didn't want to cancel Directv and buy a new box. We have cable internet because all our DSL connections were terrible. In order to keep the cost down, we did need to have cable turned on and never used. (The cable internet was very cheap if you had the basic cable service).

DH knew that we were paying for the cable and not utilizing it (the 10 dollar local channel package only it was the cheapest we had to have for the cable internet deal). Using the cable modem, he was able to take a cable down the basement and back up to the TV for local channel coverage only.

That fix was less than $10 for parts at Home Depot and no labor charge.

We still can't record on our Tivo (which we own, so Directv won't upgrade us for FRee) on HD, but thats a small quibble.
 
Cindy B said:
We actually tried the TV the OP mentioned in the first post, but a 42 inch DLP version. It was just too big for our place. The picture was beautiful, but it was behemoth!
Interesting. After seeing the 50 inch in our place, I kinda wish we bought the 56 inch. I'll post photographs after the television stand arrives and we get all the wires tucked away.
 
bicker said:
Interesting. After seeing the 50 inch in our place, I kinda wish we bought the 56 inch. I'll post photographs after the television stand arrives and we get all the wires tucked away.


We also have a smaller 1950s size home. According to calculations, a 42 "could" have fit in the room, but it felt overpowering if that makes sense. The LG 42 fits though, maybe because it is thinner than the Samsung DLP. The difference in width changes everything.

We don't have a great room or a separate large family room.
 
We bought a 61" Samsung DLP last spring and have really enjoyed it! We got the comcast HDTV DVR box to go with it and absolutely love to record in HD Whenever possible.

One thing we have to say we haven't liked about our tv is the fact that the lamp has gone out TWICE in less than a year and we've been "tv-less" for a few days. My parents bought the exact same model on the exact same day and haven't had 1 problem and we've been through 2 lamps already. Thankfully we bought the extended warranty. The guy who came to fix it the last time suggested it was probably due to "dirty power" and suggested we hook it up to a Battery Backup *which we have some due to dh being in IT* and since the hook up we haven't been through a lamp.

Hope you enjoy yours like we've enjoyed ours! My inlaws wanted us to come to their house to watch the superbowl and we both said Uh...No thanks why don't you come here. We are now spoiled thanks to that tv!
 
We don't have a great room or a separate large family room.
Our living room has 18' high ceilings.... we've been musing that we need something to put on the wall above the television.
 


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