Barry Hussein????

[minnie61650]

Honestly, I think people who refer to him as "Hussein" are just making themselves sound ignorant. Calling GWB "W" doesn't have the same veiled implication, and anyone who feigns innocence in calling Obama "Hussein" isn't fooling anyone.

Barry doesn't bother me at all, I think it's kind of funny.

I agree!

 

[Tiggernut_jadie]

I find it very amusing that people try to justify using the 'Hussein' part of Barack Obama's name because it IS part of his name. Whilst strictly speaking this is correct you are really not fooling anyone by making such childish excuses. There is no issue with using it as PART of his name...ie Barack Hussein Obama - as this is fact. However it is different altogether to JUST use Hussein or to oops accidentally on purpose 'lose' the Obama bit making his name sound like he's a long lost son of Saddam. As Bicker (and others) have already said there is only ONE reason to refer to him in this way and that's to try and indicate that he is either a muslim (which, it seems, is as bad as being a satan worshipper in some people's eyes) or a terrorist or BOTH!

 

[designermv]

I'm sure if his middle name was John, the people who call him "Hussein" wouldn't be nearly as amused.

Hussein unfortunately has a loaded, negative association because of Saddam. Pull the innocent card, but you're not fooling anyone.

 

[Tigger Woods]

I'm sure if his middle name was John, the people who call him "Hussein" wouldn't be nearly as amused.

Hussein unfortunately has a loaded, negative association because of Saddam. Pull the innocent card, but you're not fooling anyone.

The guy got elected. Why would anyone care what someone else calls him? After 8 years of Bush bashing, Republicans can say whatever they want, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Christine]

The guy got elected. Why would anyone care what someone else calls him? After 8 years of Bush bashing, Republicans can say whatever they want, as far as I'm concerned.

As was pointed out WAY back--the not-so-subtle difference in the "bashings" is that Bush was not bashed until he had plenty of screwups. The current bashings are for a President-elect who hasn't been able to mess up anything yet. Each party can say whatever they want but it's always best to at least wait until it's justified. Before that point, it's just sour grapes and pettiness.

 

[declansdad]

The guy got elected. Why would anyone care what someone else calls him? After 8 years of Bush bashing, Republicans can say whatever they want, as far as I'm concerned.

So that makes it right?

 

[Goofyluver]

The guy got elected. Why would anyone care what someone else calls him? After 8 years of Bush bashing, Republicans can say whatever they want, as far as I'm concerned.

Absolutely...Republicans can say what they want.

But, no one should pretend it's just a little nickname...or that referring to Barack Obama as "H", "Hussein", "Barry", etc. is anything but a jab at Obama or his supporters and that such pettiness is meant in disrespect.

 

[What the Heck]

As was pointed out WAY back--the not-so-subtle difference in the "bashings" is that Bush was not bashed until he had plenty of screwups. The current bashings are for a President-elect who hasn't been able to mess up anything yet. Each party can say whatever they want but it's always best to at least wait until it's justified. Before that point, it's just sour grapes and pettiness.

First of all, the Bush Bashings began in 2000, before he was even in office. Don't you remember how Bush "stole" the election? How the economy that started to tank in November of 2000 was all his fault?

Second of all, some feel (I don't but some do) that Obama has already made some major mistakes. So who is to judge at what point he is to have considered to have done enough wrong that it's justified? Are you going to take on that responsibility for everyone? Some might chaff at that.

 

[chrisw127]

I'm sure if his middle name was John, the people who call him "Hussein" wouldn't be nearly as amused.

Hussein unfortunately has a loaded, negative association because of Saddam. Pull the innocent card, but you're not fooling anyone.

Amen sister!

 

[chrisw127]

Honestly, I've just decided I don't care if they call him "H."

It just let's me know ahead of time what kind of person I'm dealing with and it saves me the trouble of actually listening to what they have to say.

From now on, I will just make my assumptions and be on my merry way.

Thank you for making my life easier.

 

[Guy Incognito]

First of all, the Bush Bashings began in 2000, before he was even in office. Don't you remember how Bush "stole" the election? How the economy that started to tank in November of 2000 was all his fault?

what's interesting (and kinda funny) about that, especially when comparing to the current climate, is back then people on the far-left blamed Bush for the impending economic crisis in Nov 2000, and the right wing talking heads like Rush basically said that anything that happened within the next 6-9 months was just a result of the Democrats/Clintons bungling.

Now, with the economy tanking, people on the far right blame Obama, and the right wing talking heads like Rush are calling it the 'Obama Recession', and the far-left blame it on Bush.

Hypocrisy reigns supreme on the fringes.

 

[What the Heck]

If you work in a senior community and have had the experience in working with these patients, then you know your statement is bunk. Because I have worked specifically in adult acute rehab on the brain injury team. Specifically, my experience included stroke, TBI, alzheimer's, and dementia. In fact, I was responsible for evaluation of these patients, and my reports often contributed to the diagnosis of dementia. Joe Biden does not have dementia. A gaffe is one thing...I'll give you that. He's had some big ones. Dementia is something entirely different...and you should know that if you work with this population.

Then you should know better as well. There is a difference between making a gaffe and living in your gaffe. Joe wants us to visit restaurants that are no longer in existance, that he visited just a few months ago (even though it went out of business 15 years ago). He believes that snow downing a helicopoter was bullets. He believes it was someone else who made the comment on the political line about no coal, even with video evidence that it was him.

Symptons. You have someone who doesn't know what year it is. You have someone who can't pay attention long enough to know that a commercial he was condemning was one that was put out by his group the week before. You have someone that can't tell the difference between snow and bullets. You have someone that is in the middle of a coal community telling them that the coal industry isn't good for them. And these are only gaffes? He makes one a day. That is what is so scary.

 

[Christine]

First of all, the Bush Bashings began in 2000, before he was even in office. Don't you remember how Bush "stole" the election? How the economy that started to tank in November of 2000 was all his fault?

Second of all, some feel (I don't but some do) that Obama has already made some major mistakes. So who is to judge at what point he is to have considered to have done enough wrong that it's justified? Are you going to take on that responsibility for everyone? Some might chaff at that.

First of all--I voted for Bush in 2000. There actually was a type of contention during that election and, whether you agreed with it or not, it needed to be addressed. Yes I remember 2000 and I do not remember the degree of Bush bashing going on at that time. Of course, those who voted for Al Gore were pissed/angry. I don't know that they necessarily bashed Bush as a person but bashed the entire process.

As for Obama, the point that you start to judge him is when he takes his oath of office and can actually make some decisions. At that point, I think it's quite fair to disagree with his choices, bash him for what you feel he did wrong, and so forth.

As for calling him Hussein, that has nothing to do with justified bashing or anything else. It is a means to denegrate a man that you (the general you) don't like with xenophobic reference. Thereby insulting him and insulting a whole culture which commonly uses that name.

 

[What the Heck]

what's interesting (and kinda funny) about that, especially when comparing to the current climate, is back then people on the far-left blamed Bush for the impending economic crisis in Nov 2000, and the right wing talking heads like Rush basically said that anything that happened within the next 6-9 months was just a result of the Democrats/Clintons bungling.

Now, with the economy tanking, people on the far right blame Obama, and the right wing talking heads like Rush are calling it the 'Obama Recession', and the far-left blame it on Bush.

Hypocrisy reigns supreme on the fringes.

Exactly. I don't believe this is Obama's recession, or even Bush's recession, this is America's recession. Personally I blame those like Chris Dodd and Barney Frank who instead of doing their jobs, took bribes from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

I don't know if Obama is making the right choices or not, but I will give him that he is trying. He is showing leadership. I may not agree with his choices, but he is trying.

 

[Guy Incognito]

Exactly. I don't believe this is Obama's recession, or even Bush's recession, this is America's recession. Personally I blame those like Chris Dodd and Barney Frank who instead of doing their jobs, took bribes from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

I don't know if Obama is making the right choices or not, but I will give him that he is trying. He is showing leadership. I may not agree with his choices, but he is trying.

I'll take it a step further on the blame..... both Republican and Democrats share the blame in D.C. for the mess; but it goes much further than that.... corporate greed is to blame.... poor lending practices are to blame.... 'regular' joe/jane average American is to blame for taking out loans that they *knew* they couldn't possibly repay (I refuse to believe anyone is that stupid not to realize how much they can/can't afford to pay back on a monthly basis.... we all know how much we bring in per month and how much we are already paying out... it's not rocket science.... if a unexpected crisis hits and causes trouble for someone, that's different; but that's not what happened to *everyone*)

guess I'm just irritated that I've played by the rules and what do I get for it? The bill.... (*I* is used in the general sense for anyone else out there who has been living within their means)

 

[What the Heck]

First of all--I voted for Bush in 2000. There actually was a type of contention during that election and, whether you agreed with it or not, it needed to be addressed. Yes I remember 2000 and I do not remember the degree of Bush bashing going on at that time. Of course, those who voted for Al Gore were pissed/angry. I don't know that they necessarily bashed Bush as a person but bashed the entire process.

As for Obama, the point that you start to judge him is when he takes his oath of office and can actually make some decisions. At that point, I think it's quite fair to disagree with his choices, bash him for what you feel he did wrong, and so forth.

As for calling him Hussein, that has nothing to do with justified bashing or anything else. It is a means to denegrate a man that you (the general you) don't like with xenophobic reference. Thereby insulting him and insulting a whole culture which commonly uses that name.

First of all, he is making decisions that are affecting the economy. Many of which I agree with. He is doing his best to affect it in a positive way. Others feel he is affecting it in a negative way. I don't have the right to decide for them what is enough or what is not.

For myself, I have called him Barry, but you won't see me calling him H or Hussein. But to come out judging those who choose to I believe is wrong, even more wrong than the disrespect that is being shown our President Elect. Just my thoughts.

 

[minnie61650]

Again, does that only apply when BO is President, or do you speak out for Bush as well?

I may not have agreed with President Bush's desisions at times but I have shown respect for him.
I did not vote for President Bush but I always wanted him to be very sucessful as a President.
I would never call a President, a President elect, a Persidential candidate, a sentator, etc. a name that is ment to make of, instill fear in others , or show disrespect of that person.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[bicker]

I'll take it a step further on the blame..... both Republican and Democrats share the blame in D.C. for the mess; but it goes much further than that.... corporate greed is to blame.... poor lending practices are to blame.... 'regular' joe/jane average American is to blame for taking out loans that they *knew* they couldn't possibly repay ... guess I'm just irritated that I've played by the rules and what do I get for it? The bill....

But isn't everything in our society like that? I remember back before cable was so rabid about cable theft, how I felt like I was the only one playing by the rules. I cannot believe how often I overhear conversations, at train stations, by the water cooler, at the RMV, where people explain how they've scammed the system somehow, with regard to something for which I play by the rule. And let's not forget WDW: There is a nice long thread, here in the DISboards, outlining a litany of Disney services that have been cut or curtailed because of the systemic abuse of Disney's leniency in enforcement of the rules. The reality is that our whole society is infested by people who think that anything they can get away with is something that they should try to get away with. There is no reason to pin this on anyone -- if you must assess blame, spread it around liberally, on everyone, both the abusers, the cable theives, the folks who put more than capacity in hotel rooms, the folks who lie so they can register their car in another state, etc., AND all the rest of us who let it happen -- spread it around on everyone because what you're describing is a characteristic of our society.

And I don't mean to pick only on the United States; by "society" I mean the society of the developed and developing nations of the world. If anything, there are more rule-followers here than in many other places in the world.

 

[Goofyluver]

Then you should know better as well. There is a difference between making a gaffe and living in your gaffe. Joe wants us to visit restaurants that are no longer in existance, that he visited just a few months ago (even though it went out of business 15 years ago). He believes that snow downing a helicopoter was bullets. He believes it was someone else who made the comment on the political line about no coal, even with video evidence that it was him.

Symptons. You have someone who doesn't know what year it is. You have someone who can't pay attention long enough to know that a commercial he was condemning was one that was put out by his group the week before. You have someone that can't tell the difference between snow and bullets. You have someone that is in the middle of a coal community telling them that the coal industry isn't good for them. And these are only gaffes? He makes one a day. That is what is so scary.

Like I said...if you work with this population, then you should know better. I am the person who performs the cognitive and orientation evals on clients as they come in to the rehab center. My reports are the basis for such diagnosis.

Joe Biden has said some stupid stuff. I'll give you that. But, your "factual" statements are embellished to make your point. If you want to call him on his remarks, fine. But don't come in here and make statements against ignorance and then call him "Dementia Joe."

Your arguments hold no weight with anyone who works in the field and has half-way decent knowledge of this population. Thanks for playing though.

 

[minnie61650]

Yeah, kind of like calling Bush "dubya." Not W, but dubya. It implied "stupid hick" and we heard eight years worth of it. Now these same people are acting holier than thou about Barack Obama's middle name. Hysterical!

Just to let you I had not idea about Bush being refered to as "dubya" until I posted on a few polical threads in Oct./ Nov. 2008.

In fact the first time I heard that term was from someone on these boards (who was supporting McCain) who posted a reply to me.
I did not even know that they were refering to President Bush or b what the term ment. Thank you for explaining where the term came from and what it ment .

Yes,I admit I have led a sheltered life. I also would never reduce myself to name calling.