Bag Search, does it help?

[bigmac5]

I think it is just a universal thing to do. They do it at Six Flags, and any sort of concert, NASCAR etc. It's just the thing to do. Who know maybe once in a while something is found??

 

[NewEnglandDisney]

It's totally useless.

Does nothing at all except keep the lines longer.

It's part of the "show" at WDW.

N.E.D.

 

[penchris]

If I caught someone coming in with a drill and wrench set....I would have security following him around all day long. I worked as an amusement ride safety inspector, and my company had someone arrested because they were trying to undo bolts on a ride. Our legal dept. later discovered that this guy had a tort lawsuit pending against a ride manufacturer in New Jersey, and was most likely trying to create a situation to bring one against us too.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

In a world where our current Administration refuses to spend more money on protecting our ports, and fights, do to close ties with the NRA, to keep guns flowing freely, even to those on terrorist watch lists, I appreciate that WDW is at least doing a little something to protect their guests, even if it is to cover their own butts!

 

[rosemary4126]

IMVHO it's not possible to stop the terrorists or the garden variety nuts who wish to create mayhem. They will persist until they find a way. I think most know the "security" at the parks is for show and so Disney can walk into court with some sort of defense when the lawsuits start flying should something happen.

 

[HappyLawyer]

well, i would not say that it is not worth it because they could find something, in my experience, they do not search it enough, they spend little time in it, most of the time they are commenting on the food you bring in.

 

[LiLIrishChick63]

it doesn't really bother me that much. i mean yes it is aggrivating when there's a few thousand people in line and you get the ones who don't decide to open their bags until later and have to rummage around showing everything. it doesn't make me "feel better" but i'm sure it does do a lot for security.

 

[gonga]

I agree with all above posts!

Disney should have an age limit for "security guards" has anyone seen some of the older men, or the young kids that weigh 90 lbs....I mean c'omon it's a joke...... I could kick their butt. I really don't feel any safer because Grampy ran a stick thru my bag...



No offense to the young or old. Disney should hire "real" security guards, not just put anyone in a uniform.

 

[reeeoga]

In a world where our current Administration refuses to spend more money on protecting our ports, and fights, do to close ties with the NRA, to keep guns flowing freely, even to those on terrorist watch lists, I appreciate that WDW is at least doing a little something to protect their guests, even if it is to cover their own butts!

This is my opinion and not a flame : I am an NRA member and gun owner. I have purchased guns in the past year. I know the background checks needed to purchase a gun legally. They are enough to stop a prohibited person from buying a gun legally. This will not stop a criminal from buying a gun. Even if a person is on a Watch List doesn't mean they are a terrorist. This also should not prohibit them from buying a gun if they can do it legally.

I do agree we need more inspections at ports, but we also need to actually close the boarders to illegal crossings. We also need to expand our legal crossings, I would rather have a bunch of legal immigrants who we can check out than have a bunch of illegals who we have no idea who they are.

Now your turn on guns: How would you feel if WDW would allow people who are legally licensed to carry concealed guns to actually carry those guns in the park? Would you be ok with off-duty police with there guns, if they where worn concealed?


PS - gee I used the word legal a bunch

 

[TiggrFan]

I am glad that they check bags. We just got back and only saw one item confiscated and it was something small, I'm not even sure what it was. I know that the check doesn't really do anything, we could have had false bottoms in our bags and carried in any number of things, I suppose, but I think they are doing the right thing. This is one of those post 9/11 things that are being done and need to be. Of course none of us would do anything illegal or dangerous, but some people would, and have. I guess we all have to look past ourselves and the inconvenience and consider why this has to be done. It's the fault of the day we live in, not Disney.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

This is my opinion and not a flame : I am an NRA member and gun owner. I have purchased guns in the past year. I know the background checks needed to purchase a gun legally. They are enough to stop a prohibited person from buying a gun legally. This will not stop a criminal from buying a gun. Even if a person is on a Watch List doesn't mean they are a terrorist. This also should not prohibit them from buying a gun if they can do it legally.

No flames...back at you! I also own a handgun, so I am not against the gun industry, or against law abiding citizens to own them. There are hundreds of thousands of gun owners, like me, who feel the NRA is a bit too extreme for our tastes. What I am against are the special interest groups, like the NRA, that fight some of the common sense legislation for gun ownership. If you're on a terrorist watchlist, the gov, through the Patriot Act, has easier access to bug your telephones and all personal records, including, as I'm sure you know, what books you check out of the library. They can basically stomp all your rights to privacy. But heaven forbid we don't allow the same person on a terrorist watch list to buy a gun!! Just an opinion. I do agree that our borders need to be monitored better as well. The list is so long, I just wish they'd do more than making me take my belt off when boarding a plane! Start anywhere, I don't care!!

Edit: As far as concealed weapons in the parks...I'm totally against it, and as you know, it is illegal!! I have a concealed weapons permit, no reason, I just got it because I'm always interested in learning and the class was great, and I never carry my gun.

 

[Mary626]

I mostly think it's a joke... I don't mind being searched - I mind that it seems like it's just a facade, and I could easily carry a gun into the park if I tried. My boyfriend wears a jacket that he always puts his gameboy/ipod, cellphone, wallet, and just about anything else into, they never check it. That doesn't make me feel any safer!

That said, I dont' mind that they do it, and hope it does at least a little good. After the backpack bombings in London, I could see how it might be helpful in deterring someone bringing a backpack full of explosives into the park. But then, they could just put it in their jackets and noone would know. *sigh* Who really knows anything anymore?

 

[Uncleromulus]

Reeeoga:
Off the post topic a bit--but too many idiots out there (of the "non-terrorist" type) for me to ever feel comfortable with concealed weapons at WDW!!!!

 

[reeeoga]

This is what I like about WDW and this board, we can discouse things, state our opinions and not get mad.

I didn't know about CCW being illegal in amusment parks. Note to self: look up more laws in Florida. That is not part of the CCW laws here in Lousiana.

What I would like is that new X-ray tech that scans your body. It can show everything hidden, without some perv. having to pat people down. The ACLU says it has a potential to do harm. I don't see it. I also want Chemical sniffers at the opennings. These 2 techs would take less time for people to pass through, and noone would look through my bags. I don't want someone looking, it's MY bag . The tech would detect "bad stuff" without being intrusive.

I also want profilling. Yes even based on race. The Israilies do it on their airlines, they have not have a hijacking in over 30 years. It makes no sense to search a little old black ladies purse if no little old black lady has every bombed anything. That might offend people, sorry but that is how I feel.

 

[meandtheguys2]

I would rather risk being blown up than be x-rayed on the way into a park. If there is that much fear, then I will stay home.

 

[palmtreegirl]

Do you think the bag search going into the parks helps with security? Does it make you safe?

No and no. I'd feel perfectly safe if they discontinued the bag searches. The best kind of security is the kind you don't see and Disney already has plenty of that already.

 

[hugsquared]

I also want profilling. Yes even based on race. The Israilies do it on their airlines, they have not have a hijacking in over 30 years. It makes no sense to search a little old black ladies purse if no little old black lady has every bombed anything. That might offend people, sorry but that is how I feel.

I hear you. And I couldn't agree more. I've always heard a saying (really based in medicine but...) "If you hear hoof beats...think horse, not zebra". Profilling only makes sense. I will now go back to sidelines to don my fire proof suit.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

I also want profilling. Yes even based on race. The Israilies do it on their airlines, they have not have a hijacking in over 30 years. It makes no sense to search a little old black ladies purse if no little old black lady has every bombed anything. That might offend people, sorry but that is how I feel.

This is where you completely lose me. Profiling is ineffective with the problem we're dealing with here. We have the Al-Qaeda group, we know they're in 40 countries, from Malaysia to the Philippines to Latin America, so Arab looking people won't satisfy.
If we continue to sort of intimidate and interrogate an entire community, and I should point out that most Arab Americans are Christians, not Al-Queda linked Muslims, we will not get the kind of cooperation we need from the Arab American community.
One of America's core beliefs is based on the belief that one is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Profiling turns that concept on it's head and presumes guilt until innocence is discovered. I know that the following may be profiling taken to the extreme, but what if every time a 7-11, or bank is held up at gun point in Louisiana, the state police fan out across the state, knock on the door of every gun owner, and search your house until they decide that you didn't commit the crime? Not a very good way to live, and small scale profiling starts a precident for this type of "Police State" mentality. Terrorists do what they do to make America change her ways, and if we throw out the concept of reasonable search because of fear, we may as well rewrite the Constitution and check with every terrorist group to get their opinions on what they feel is appropriate.

 

[C.Ann]

No and no. I'd feel perfectly safe if they discontinued the bag searches. The best kind of security is the kind you don't see and Disney already has plenty of that already.

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I agree.. I carry everything but the kitchen sink into the parks - along with a fanny panny and a camera case strapped to my waist.. They don't check the compartments in my larger bag, barely glance at the top of the main compartment, and don't check the fanny pack or camera case at all.. Not to mention the people with "bulging" pockets who aren't stopped at all..

If they want to do it right - so they actually might find something - that's one thing, but their current methods are useless.. It's more for "show" - and as someone else already mentioned, to protect themselves legally..

 

[reeeoga]

Just a repeat sort off. This is why I like this forum and WDW: we are actually having a civil discusion that just happens to be about civil rights: totaly cool

I'm going play video games now