Bad Verandah Experience...

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Like I stated on the other post. I had NO idea there was such a thing as an obstructed verandah. How can you tell when you book if its obstructed or not? I know mine isn't obstructed as I stayed in the room already, but how would a newbie know? Does it have to be a metal verandah to be obstructed? Sorry for all the questions, but I went to Dave's site and couldn't figure it out there either.

Joanna
 
I understand you being upset. You should not be expected to check out sites like this and read through hundreds of posts to find out if your view is obstructed. It should be indicated in the brochure which verandahs are blocked, plain and simple.

Just hope you have better luck dealing with DCL's office in Celebration than we did after our cruise. At least you didn't get repeated form letters back like we did. I ended up having to call multiple times to get any kind of personal response. DCL did respond by sending us similar tokens that you described. I then straight out asked for a refund of my youngest child's fare after he was treated badly in the children's program. That is when I was told that they couldn't possibly do such a thing. Seems like these tokens are more cost effective and they would rather not give any type of refunds after they have your money.
 
I posted previously about our experience in the topic listed as: Important - DCL Children's Programming - Participation Guidelines. I
 

Since DCL is not likely to want to refund you the category difference in cash, and since at this point you do plan to cruise with DCL again, why don't you politely suggest that they provide you with the difference as an onboard credit on your next cruise?
 
Great suggestions, everyone. I did fax a letter yesterday to the individual who wrote to us. I did request a refund of the difference between a category 6 and 7. Here are a few of the excerpts:

"I am writing in response to your letter of July 17, 2002. Specifically, I am writing to discuss a misrepresentation by one of your Cast Members on the afternoon of August 21, 2001 and DCL’s resolution of the issue. At this time, I am requesting that DCL refund to me the difference between the Category 6 unobstructed, full view verandah that I was promised and the obstructed view cabin which we had (I respectfully suggest that the cabin we had should be marketed as a category 7).

After sailing with my family and three other families on the 5/26/01 Magic eastern itinerary, I called on August 21, 2001 to check on cabin availability for June 22, 2002. According to my phone log, I spent more than 16 minutes on the phone with a DCL representative. We reviewed cabin availability and when the Cast Member suggested cabin 6634, I noted that it was pretty far aft and specifically asked whether it was a full-view verandah. The Cast Member told me it was an unobstructed view verandah with plexiglass, rather than steel bottom. I clarified that this verandah was just the same as the others further forward that she and I had discussed. On the representation that the verandah was full view and unobstructed, I made a deposit

* * *
We continued to call Ericka to inquire as to the status of the “investigation” and she called us several times, always pleasantly, to find out if we were enjoying our cruise. Every time I spoke with her I clarified that we were NOT satisfied with the cabin and that we insisted on the opportunity to talk with someone at DCL with authority to address the issue. She assured me we would receive a phone call from DCL within a week of disembarkation.

To say we were upset and frustrated while on the ship would be an understatement. This was the first time we splurged on a verandah and we had spoken so frequently of breakfast alone together and pre-dinner drinks with our friends on the verandah, looking out at the ocean. The reality is that we spent NO time on the verandah and often kept the curtains closed since mostly all you could see was white metal coming down from the ceiling to the floor, on an angle–a view that caused me continued anger and unhappiness. Our friends who visited our cabin could not believe we had paid full Category 6 price for such an obviously substandard view and that we were “stuck” with that verandah even though we booked ten months in advance! Neither could we. Throughout the week, friends and acquaintances asked how DCL was resolving the issue and we continued to tell them that we hoped to have a satisfactory resolution within a week of disembarkation. We continue to receive inquiries from other cruisers asking how DCL has handled the matter. I am disappointed that even today, more than a month after we boarded the Magic, DCL has not responded satisfactorily.

We booked this trip 10 months from the sail date and there is NO reason we would or should have paid the full category 6 price for that obstructed verandah when we could have easily chosen another cabin with a full verandah–that you might think we would have knowingly made such a choice defies logic and is insulting–we booked a verandah cabin for the verandah–NOT for “268 square feet of living space”! Moreover, if we had been uneducated as to the fact that “verandahs may vary by stateroom”, the situation might be different. Because I was aware that there were different kinds of verandahs, I specifically asked about cabin 6634 and the CM misrepresented that 6634 was the last full view, unobstructed verandah–I have that in my notes of the conversation! What is worse–even today, the CMs at your reservation line are misrepresenting that verandah.

Nor do the “tokens” which Guest Services arranged for begin to compensate for the misrepresentation. None of these items was wanted or used. And, notwithstanding that Ericka ASSURED us someone would call us at home to discuss our issue, instead of a call, we received a letter purporting to justify the situation. * * * My husband and I have already booked two cabins for April 2004, and have every reason to believe our travel party will grow significantly before then. If this issue is not satisfactorily resolved, neither we nor our friends will sail with DCL again.

What do you all think?

I faxed the letter to DCL last night, including my daytime and evening phone numbers. I wonder if they will respond.
 
Good for you, Cam. Direct and to the point. If they don't give you what you are asking for, write another letter thanking them for saving you you thousands of dollars... the difference in price between a Disney cruise and most other lines!

Good luck!

Erin :D
 
Keenercam,

From what I read, you sounded firm but not harsh. You were reasonable. I hope you get the resolution you deserve.
 
Your photo was great Dave- do you have 5130 on one?I am still trying to figure out if we are "safe" or not. Ann
 
keenercam,

I am impressed. Despite how upset you are about the original complaint and with the lack of appropriate response from DCL, your letter is calm and detailed without deteriorating into a rant.

I hope you get the response you want and especially that DCL takes the initiative to change the category of the affected cabins.

Peg
 
This is all very unnerving. I hope you eventually get a more satisfactory response from DCL. I thought their reputation was a lot better than this, The part of their response that was especially absurd was the reference to the "magic" in the name Disney. It's beginning to sound like the only magic is imaginary. Our first Disney cruise is in January, and I'm more than a little nervous now. We're in rooms 6600 and 6602. I've seen them on the layout, so I think the views are okay, but now I'm just generally worried.
 
Originally posted by AnnMorin

Your photo was great Dave- do you have 5130 on one?I am still trying to figure out if we are "safe" or not. Ann

AnnMorin, it looks like you'll be okay with 5130. If you look at the photo, 5630 (the mirror image of 5130) would be right below 6634. The angled obstruction begins on Deck 6 and is even worse on Deck 7. But it appears that it is <i><b>not</b></i> a problem on Deck 5.
 
aseafish--
I hope we have not upset you. We absolutely loved both of our cruises on the Magic. We enjoyed the first cruise so much that we went back this year without our kids. the verandah issue is unique to us because we specifically inquired and we are hoping our efforts will result in full disclosure by DCL for future guests. As you can see, most of these people on these boards have magical, flawless vacations. I am sure you will have a wonderful time!

Cam
 
As much as I enjoyed our disney cruise last October, I had an issue on board that was never resolved. After 2 letters to DCL, nothing was ever done. I realize now that whatever happens on the ship needs to be addressed right then and there. Once your off, that's it.

We had room 6028. We couldn't see anything off to the right, unless we leaned way over the railing. We have 6110 for our next cruise. I hope it's ok. My problem had nothing to do with the verandah.

Vonda
 
We also had an experience that was never resolved on our 2000 cruise. We paid for the air package, which included the baggage transfers. The brouchere even says "You'll never have to carry a bag". Well, DCL booked us with an airline that didn't check baggage at the terminal, so, we had to carry our bags from the bus to the airline counter and had to check them at the ticket counter. Kinda irritating, since we overpaid for the airfare package. Disney simply said "sorry you misunderstood" (which I didn't. I wrote them exactly what was written in the brouchere). Alas, I got nothing but a letter.

Good luck on your attempt at satisfaction.
 
Keenercam,
Thanks. I appreciate your comments. This is our first ever cruise and I'm probably overly nervous.
 
KeenerCam -

The excerpts from your letter are wonderful!! You have done a superb job of depicting a disappointing situation. As you are someone who is so organized as to have documented their DCL reservation call on their phone log, my suggestion may be a moot point but here goes: Tomorrow morning, print a copy of the letter, sign it and mail it "Certified Mail" or Return Receipt Requested to Disney Cruise Lines indicating that "The enclosed document is the original of the letter telefaxed to your office on 24 July 02." On the return receipt, you will have someone's signature or initials to reference in future correspondence.

If, after two weeks, you have not been contacted, I would move the letter up a notch and mail it directly (by name) to the DCL Company Officer with responsibility for Customer Relations, Marketing or the Call Centers. Again, I would send it certified. I would wait 2-3 weeks for a response and ramp it up a notch, again.

In each letter, I would continue to update the steps you have taken to resolve this at the lowest level without success. If you need to go all the way to DCL's President, so be it!! If it goes that far, I would reference this thread and the fact that 2000 people have read it (that is today's numbers) - bluntly make them aware of the negative press the incident has generated. If their call center staff are not well-versed in the available staterooms, it is a training problem which needs to be addressed. "Service Recovery" is taught at the Disney Institute - they need to deploy those same concepts.
 
If my husband and I finally splurged on a verandah (full view) category 6, I would have expected a non-obstructed view. I'd definitely be more than upset. Those rooms should definitely be downgraded in category to a 7. I'm really sorry.

Hubby and I are usually inside cabin people, though our next cruise we have a large window on deck 2 (category 9). I'd be furious if they somehow changed our room to two little portholes on deck 1. You get excited for what you are expecting. Once it's not there, it sets the wrong tone for the entire cruise. I hope they refund the difference in price for you because it has spoiled things for you, as it would for me. Besides, it's the right thing to do. Those rooms are partially obstructed, even though they have plexi-glass at the bottom. They fall somewhere between a category 6 and 7.

Tina
 
Thank you all so very much for your generous and supportive responses. We (DH--KeenHo and I) are reassured that we did not over react about the quality of the verandah--we are so grateful that none of you thought we were being absurd. Even DH who is the most laid-back person I have ever known and who always looks at the best in a situation, was utterly disappointed.

Just to update--I faxed the letter the night before last and also put it in the mail. I called the phone number on the letter to ask for the fax number for Mr. Joel Hayes, the individual who signed the letter on behalf of DCL. I faxed it to that number--which came up on my firm's fax machine as "DCL Marketing". I saved the confirmation sheet with our copy of the letter. I also mailed the original of the letter to the address on DCL's letter to us. If I have to send another letter, I will do it by certified mail--Thank you, Ginny for your advice--it is indispensable!

DH told me yesterday that if DCL does not respond appropriately, he wants to immediately cancel our 4/04 reservation (we put down $1000 in deposits--I am not going to let that money sit with DCL while we remain disappointed) and book a trip with another cruise line. We have sailed Celebrity before and loved it. Our friend who is a travel agent is watching our situation carefully and will eagerly make new reservations for us elsewhere. Needless to say, we are all surprised and disappointed so far. I am hoping Disney does not let us down, that they will realize how much it means to us to be a "Disney" family.

Anyway, thanks again everyone. DISers are the absolute BEST!
Cam
 
Thank you for sharing your experience. Those rooms should really be reclassified & if you can get it done, we'll all appreciate it! You're doing a great job with following up!

I hope all of your issues are resolved & that you can happily enjoy your next Disney cruise :)
 
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