Back to School during the pandemic ...a discussion thread

Thames Valley DSB posted this on Facebook today :

Families can choose to have their child continue full-time distance learning at home. In August, after the Ministry of Education has made their final decision on reopening, we will ask parents/guardians to tell us if their child will continue to learn remotely. Stay tuned
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So ... this thread should NOT be shut down... it's valuable for us Canadian parents. The info provided is important...

Madame you should definitely stay and contribute (it's important) .... All of this situation is new to all of us... we're all working our way through.... losing a teacher's view seems like a BIG loss.... We'll disagree and we'll discuss but the conversation is important. Everyone should be here and the thread is important. We shouldn't just close threads because people disagree... Canadians have always been able to agree to disagree...
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So ... this thread should NOT be shut down... it's valuable for us Canadian parents. The info provided is important...

Madame you should definitely stay and contribute (it's important) .... All of this situation is new to all of us... we're all working our way through.... losing a teacher's view seems like a BIG loss.... We'll disagree and we'll discuss but the conversation is important. Everyone should be here and the thread is important. We shouldn't just close threads because people disagree... Canadians have always been able to agree to disagree...
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The reason I asked that this thread to be closed is that it ran its course. People expressed their views, it was bordering on nasty and going nowhere. It borders on politics which is a Nono.......but the biggest reason is that we are a Disney family here to talk Disney. You can not tell me that posters who have been helpful , friendly and respectful towards each other will remain that way and that is the purpose of our group. Remember, no one is 100% right but every poster has had valid points that have been helpful. These are trying times right now but it so will pass And we will all be planning and asking for help for our future trips ”Back home”
 

I am in Alberta and our government has announced a full return to school in September with it looking as close to normal as possible (no masks). I may be one of the weirdos here, but I feel very comfortable with sending my kids back to school. I know that all of the data from other countries who have already gone back is showing that kids are at a much lesser risk and also less likely to transmit Covid. I trust the decision our Public Health Minister has made, knowing that they wouldn't be sending us back if they felt our kids were in danger. I also appreciate how our Minister has spoken about considering the "whole health" of children, with Covid being 1 part of the picture and that she is also sending her OWN school aged children back. To me, that speaks volumes.

As a mom who traditionally homeschooled our 2 kids a couple years ago, I know from experience that our kids do better in a school environment. While distance learning was so much easier because the weight of responsibility wasn't on my shoulders (and our school board was PHENOMENAL), there were struggles with being home that were hard to navigate again. Both of my kids have learning disabilities and each of them need equal amounts of one-on-one attention which was always my greatest challenge with homeschooling. Not to mention the incredible loneliness that came with traditionally homeschooling.

All this to say, we are really happy with our Provincial plan for September, understanding that we may need to jump to a part time scenario or back to full time distance learning, whatever the situation - we are ready.

I also just wanted to say, that when it comes to discussing with others about September I heard some great advice from a friend of mine. Knowing that all of us are making the best decisions we can for our families, no matter what side of the fence you stand on, it's best to have a response of, "Wow! I am proud of you, I am sure that was a hard decision to make" (even if you don't agree with their choice.) I have 4 friends who have never homeschooled who are signed up with a homeschool board for September. I also have plenty of friends who are sending their kids back to school. Neither decision is wrong. The school decision is going to be so personal for each family dependant on a variety of factors so what is going to work for us, will not work for others and that's ok. If we look at it from that perspective, there really is nothing to fight about.
 
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There was a comment made somewhere in this thread and I'm not going to take the time to look for the exact post to quote because i do NOT want to make the poster feel like I'm attacking them personally. I had an extremely stressful day yesterday for personal reasons completely unrelated to this discussion leaving me with little emotional reserves but i wanted to share my PERSONAL thoughts.

Part of the problems that are arising from this discussion is the dividing line between receiving a service and providing one. Someone asked if any of us were/are upset when other types of services started being able to be offered again or if we only felt this over the return to school. (Remember this is coming from someone who has no children in school and does not work in a school setting in any capacity) For me and my hubby as well, YES we were and continue to be extremely concerned about the types of services that have been allowed to open up before we felt/feel they truly needed to be. Haircuts and/or other beauty services?? No, that one really irked me, again just personal. Indoor restaurants/Bars? OMG, yes, 1000X yes, i think this is too early. But the most ridiculous reopening? GYMS!>!!!??? No, not safe, for anyone, staff or clients.

Another question asked or comment made was that if teachers and/or other staff didn't feel safe returning then maybe they should just find another job, or not go back (AGAIN please don't feel attacked if you made the comment, I'm only vaguely recalling the comments with no idea who made them!!!) I think the problem here is that we need to remember that for almost every other service that has been allowed to start up again most have required the wearing of masks for both customers and employees-again remember in my county it's been mandated since June so you can't go inside ANYWHERE without a mask if you're over the age of 3(not sure about the stupid gyms though?) BUT for most education settings what we're hearing and/or reading about is that masks won't be required. Personally I can understand that might be extremely distressing for someone to know that the people they are working with are required to wear a mask to spend an hour in the grocery store but not to spend an entire day, inside a small room, with over 20 other people.

Trying to summarize my scattered thoughts here is hard! I don't think anyone should be attacking anyone else for their thoughts, feelings and opinions over this subject. Perhaps if we are able to take the viewpoint of this old, annoying woman and look at it as a service that is being given and received it might be easier. IF possible, doing our best to remove our emotions from the equation *might* make it a tad easier to deal with what is being offered, how it will be delivered and how our families will participate in this "different than before" school year. It's not perfect, but we all know that!!! AS with any other service, business or industry that we deal with, it is up to us to decide what the best solution is for OUR family and not try to make others feel bad for making different decisions for THEIR family.
 
Ontario plans being released now. But so far I’ve heard elementary full time 5 days a week. High school will be mixed online and in person. Same said class for elementary, max of 15 for high school.

Masks will be mandatory for grades 4-12. More funding to pay for PPE, public heath nurses and more cleaning.

Medical masks will be provided to all staff.
 
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Matches what I am hearing, cloth masks grade 4 through 12 (optional for younger kids) and PPE will be provided to the teachers/workers. Social distancing of 1 metre to be maintained. Though it's not clear how that will work in the elementary schools.

And of course, parents have the option to not send their kids. I believe I heard "live online, teacher lead" learning. Again, not sure how that will work!

I am sure the school boards will provide plans soon.

I, for one, feel good about this plan and am glad I have a stock of masks for kiddo now so he can take two per day, though it's possible they will be providing them? Not sure on that...

Oh, and public health nurses to be hired to work with the schools/in the schools as well.
 
Following along on CP24 but confused about a few things......

Elementary students to return to school 5 days a week, but class sizes will be a 1 to 15 ratio? Are kids going back every other day?
 
Matches what I am hearing, cloth masks grade 4 through 12 (optional for younger kids) and PPE will be provided to the teachers/workers. Social distancing of 1 metre to be maintained. Though it's not clear how that will work in the elementary schools.

And of course, parents have the option to not send their kids. I believe I heard "live online, teacher lead" learning. Again, not sure how that will work!

I am sure the school boards will provide plans soon.

I, for one, feel good about this plan and am glad I have a stock of masks for kiddo now so he can take two per day, though it's possible they will be providing them? Not sure on that...

Oh, and public health nurses to be hired to work with the schools/in the schools as well.
I need more info. Dd is in grade 11, but taking courses mostly in grade 12. Not sure how cohorting will work for her. She is selecting online learning but isn’t interested in synchronous learning. She want to move at her own pace. Not sure this will be possible. Might be calling superintendent’s office for clarification.
 
I need more info. Dd is in grade 11, but taking courses mostly in grade 12. Not sure how cohorting will work for her. She is selecting online learning but isn’t interested in synchronous learning. She want to move at her own pace. Not sure this will be possible. Might be calling superintendent’s office for clarification.

I am hoping more details were in writing and provided to the school boards for their use in planning.

I didn't write a lot of stuff on the secondary kids because my son isn't there yet, it will be cohort groups of 15, with a combination of online and in class, with lower risk areas able to do 5 days a week in class.
 
I love that they are going to hire public health nurses for the schools but where are all these extra nurses going to come from. My understanding is the hospitals have a hard time keeping the numbers they need to keep things going.

No idea! But they are likely differently trained, so perhaps they are available? But not trained to work in a ER or ICU? They will be helping to train the kids/staff on how to safely use masks and also to assist with screening and in particular in the high schools to help reduce the risks.
 
Following along on CP24 but confused about a few things......

Elementary students to return to school 5 days a week, but class sizes will be a 1 to 15 ratio? Are kids going back every other day?

I think the 1 to 15 ratio is for high school but I'm not certain.

My son is going into grade 2 so I'm curious about the mask recommendation. Will be interesting to see how many younger kids are wearing masks or maybe a shield is easier for them to wear?
 
I think the 1 to 15 ratio is for high school but I'm not certain.

My son is going into grade 2 so I'm curious about the mask recommendation. Will be interesting to see how many younger kids are wearing masks or maybe a shield is easier for them to wear?
Thanks. I’m now realizing that there will not be a 1-15 ratio for elementary. I think that was just speculation ahead of time. Upon being further questioned, Lecce said the 1 to 20 ratio in elementary schools across Ontario was already the lowest ratios in Canada, so that would be good enough?
 
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I’m hoping non-semestered highschools will become semestered highschools in order to reduce the number of Interactions between teachers and students.
 
Thanks. I’m now realizing that there will not be a 1-15 ratio for elementary. I think that was just speculation ahead of time. Upon being further questioned, Lecce said the 1 to 20 ratio in elementary schools across Ontario was already the lowest ratios in Canada, so that would be good enough?

1 to 20 for JK thru grade 3, then it's 1 to 25 for grade 4 thru 6 (not sure about 7 & 8?) Interesting though, at my son's school the JK/SK were grouped together and it was 1 teacher and 1 ECE for up to 40 kids. I guess they'll need to split those up now. I am anxious to see how they split up the kids into cohorts, I hope it is by class and not just by grade. I will have to wait for the written details though I guess. And now to get kiddo to practice with his masks, taking them off and on safely and getting used to wearing one for an extended time. Also need labels... I'm sure there will be a lot of kids with the same ones. Oh, and now I really need to make some special Halloween, Christmas ones.
 
So is it high schoolers going every other day just because they are making class sizes smaller so suddenly they will need twice as many actual classes? I assume teachers are going to have to teach every day?
 
1 to 20 for JK thru grade 3, then it's 1 to 25 for grade 4 thru 6 (not sure about 7 & 8?) Interesting though, at my son's school the JK/SK were grouped together and it was 1 teacher and 1 ECE for up to 40 kids. I guess they'll need to split those up now. I am anxious to see how they split up the kids into cohorts, I hope it is by class and not just by grade. I will have to wait for the written details though I guess. And now to get kiddo to practice with his masks, taking them off and on safely and getting used to wearing one for an extended time. Also need labels... I'm sure there will be a lot of kids with the same ones. Oh, and now I really need to make some special Halloween, Christmas ones.
Yeah, it will be interesting to see what September actually looks like from class to class. I’ve been teaching full day kindergarten since it began in our school 10 years ago. But I’m moving to a grade 2/3 split class this year.

I know the recommended average number of students in kindergarten with a teacher and ECE is 26, but that’s just an average across the board. I’m usually close to 30 students each year. I’ve heard of other schools with much higher numbers, but to have 40 kids in one kindergarten class just sounds nuts to me! :crazy2:

I know the class sizes for Kindergarten at my school this year is currently at about 28 students. I’m not certain at this point if they’ll even try to make those class sizes smaller.
 














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