Baby Monitor question

[LadyZolt]

It's one thing to say "no, don't do it" and another entirely to say "you're stupid or bad for even asking that" about the OP.

Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see any posts where someone said "you're stupid" or "you're bad." The posts indicated that the idea of leaving a baby in those circumstances was unbelievable or inappropriate. As one person said, if one were to be aware of a child in a case like this, a prudent person would report it. The standard usually is "what a reasonable person would do in the same or similar circumstances." In my own post, I stated that it stretches credulity that someone in this day and age, planning a cruise, would even think this plan had merit. And the OP has posted only 9 posts, and has yet to return to this thread, so I cannot be the only one who is thinking something is up with the question in the first place.

 

[MrsMork]

Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see any posts where someone said "you're stupid" or "you're bad." The posts indicated that the idea of leaving a baby in those circumstances was unbelievable or inappropriate. As one person said, if one were to be aware of a child in a case like this, a prudent person would report it. The standard usually is "what a reasonable person would do in the same or similar circumstances." In my own post, I stated that it stretches credulity that someone in this day and age, planning a cruise, would even think this plan had merit. And the OP has posted only 9 posts, and has yet to return to this thread, so I cannot be the only one who is thinking something is up with the question in the first place.

What you wrote was: It makes me wish there was some sort of test you have to pass in order to procreate.
It seems that several of us reasonable and prudent people took that to mean you thought she was too stupid to have children. Evidently we misread your comment.

 

[wwwosie]

not to scare you, but think of the missing girl in Portugal. Her parents left her in the hotel room while they ate dinner. When they returned she was gone I would also recommend Flounders.

Did you read the latest report on this? Interesting twist...

 

[wwwosie]

I am very disappointed that any adults in today's society would ever think it proper to leave an infant unsupervised in the way that the OP mentioned. It is not the same as a house, bed and breakfast-type arrangement, or leaving adjoining room doors open, or sitting on a verandah. In all of those cases, the parent is within seconds of reaching the infant. That anyone thinks a cruise ship is so small as to have the dining areas be that close to their stateroom so that they could reach it in seconds is really stretching credulity. This person did post this online, which assumes that modern technology is something with which he/she is familiar. One only has to watch TV and see a single cruise ship commercial to realize how large modern cruise ships are. And even if one was talking about an older one, say the Titanic (sailed 1912), even it had 9 decks and was 882 feet long (the Wonder is 964 feet long), and Titanic was built nearly a century ago.

I maintain that I am stunned by the question in the first post, and if the OP doesn't realize the size of modern ships, the OP probably doesn't know enough to be offended by my original post.

Even if you have seen movies like Titanic or commercials for RCL it is hard to visualize how big a ship is until you see one up close. The first time I stepped on board a ship, I was amazed about the size of it, it was beyond what I could have imagined from looking at pictures. It is also not fair or polite for anyone of us here to flame people for asking a simple question.

Sometimes asking a question helps to make you think things through or gives you information that didn't know existed. If everyone, in any situation who asked a question, got flamed, no one would learn and grow.

To the OP: please keep asking questions, most of the gang that hangs around here is extremely helpful and friendly...

 

[Kissey]

On our first cruise we borrowed a stroller from guest services. I remember one night the baby slept in the stroller, parked at our table. It was nice.

 

[bradk]

It seems that several of us reasonable and prudent people took that to mean you thought she was too stupid to have children. Evidently we misread your comment.

while i haven't attacked the OP and just gave what i thought was a viable response which was repeated over and over, i'm proud to say i'm not reasonable nor prudent as the first thing i thought of when i read that comment was the episode of Dinosaurs where the Sinclairs lost their parenting license

http://www.tv.com/dinosaurs/license-to-parent/episode/62909/summary.html?tag=ep_list;ep_title;7

 

[JsMom2]

As a parent, and an experienced cruiser, my first thought was "oh my no!" And my second was that the OP has probably never cruised before, and may not even currently have a child.

I can easily understand why someone who hasn't yet experienced that panicky "is the baby okay?" feeling that all new parents have, and who has never cruised before would ask the OP's question.

I have already reported the first rude post, so the thread may be closed soon.

The stroller ideas sounds awesome.

Also, if you haven't been on a Disney Cruise before, the guests and staff are all very understanding. Here's what I'd suggest:

If you need to take the baby to dinner some nights, you can eat at Topsiders buffet - which gives you more control over the tempo of the meal. Or take the baby to the dining room in a stroller or baby carrier etc. If he/she becomes fussy, ask the headwaiter to assist you in taking your meal back to the stateroom.

Definitely get a Flounders reservation so you can enjoy a Palo dinner one night though!

But at the end of the day, there are lots of dining options. I'm sure you'll have a wonderful cruise!

 

[MarkRG]

No, no attacks on the original poster from us either, but, I'm just as stunned by the question as others, and I too would be very proactive in reporting anyone who had left a child unable to take care of themselves unsupervised in a cabin while they went off to some other activity onboard.

I think there are serious gaps in the skills that have been in the past been passed down from parents to their grown children, things they don't teach in school involving home life and the raising of kids that a lot of people nowadays just arn't aware of.

But remember to play nice people. Healthy discussion is still acceptible, as long as it stays that way.

 

[tinkerone]

i have just reread all the replies to this thread. i do not see anything that has been said that is really all that bad so why would this thread be shut down? no one has said anything near as bad as i have seen on say the smoking thread, and my personal fav, the tipping thread.
i think most people just want to say 'take a step back and look at the whole picture'. while i as well wonder about people going to port and leaving the kids behind, these children are not left alone. they are completely supervised. no where near the same.
i don't think the op should be 'flamed' but i also do not see this happening. its a good questions and she/he has had some good answers. lets keep debate alive.

and just to make it very clear. i still would report a child left alone and horray to anyone else who would do the same. it is dangerous to the child and no how you look at it it is child abuse. if you want to be angry at me for saying this, so be it. just my thought.

 

[JsMom2]

i have just reread all the replies to this thread. i do not see anything that has been said that is really all that bad so why would this thread be shut down?

I would say that 99% of the replies were appropriate. But I was extremely offended by the poster who became sarcastic and just downright mean.

I believe the OP has the answer they were seeking. So I just figured that if there were anymore rude comments, that the thread would be closed (since the original question has been answered.)

To the OP: I for one am very glad you asked the question. Parenting is quite a challenge, and it is a continual learning process. Keep asking the questions you need to, so that you can keep your child safe

 

[MrsMork]

As to leaving a child on board during port stops: I just watched The Dos and Donts of Cruising on the Travel Channel last night. While talking about the Disney ships in particular, they said DO leave the children in the clubs or Flounders while you go ashore. The Disney representative then talked about how safe that is. Still there are some parents that are not comfortable doing that, but some who are, but Disney certainly seemed to think they would be able to take very good care of the children.

 

[LadyZolt]

I can see where my comments have upset people, and that was never my intention. Perhaps I've seen one too many episodes of "Cops," where people just do unbelievable things with their children (like passing out high or drunk and the toddler injests the remains of the beer or drugs), and hearing one too many stories from my DH, who is an RN in a emergency room. I was flabbergasted by the question, the OP had only posted 9 posts and it seemed to me designed to be asking for a comment.

If the OP is sincere, I apologize for my sarcasm and advise that you check out Flounders for your baby.

To the rest of the board: I am sorry for causing this problem. I do enjoy these boards and believe most people are asking honest questions, so I will err on the side of caution in the future.

-LadyZolt

 

[tinkerone]

I can see where my comments have upset people, and that was never my intention. Perhaps I've seen one too many episodes of "Cops," where people just do unbelievable things with their children (like passing out high or drunk and the toddler injests the remains of the beer or drugs), and hearing one too many stories from my DH, who is an RN in a emergency room. I was flabbergasted by the question, the OP had only posted 9 posts and it seemed to me designed to be asking for a comment.

If the OP is sincere, I apologize for my sarcasm and advise that you check out Flounders for your baby.

To the rest of the board: I am sorry for causing this problem. I do enjoy these boards and believe most people are asking honest questions, so I will err on the side of caution in the future.

-LadyZolt

sorry, but i do not see that you have said anything that would be considered 'bad'. you cracked a joke, so what. i often see others cracking jokes. you said you were stuned at the question, me to and if others say they are not then maybe they are not being truthful. some may not find the question 'odd' but i think the majority do. doesn't mean that the poster was wrong for posting it. i have seen stranger questions and better to err on the side of caution. i'm glad they did ask. now maybe they will see what they should or should not do. we should not judge them for their question just as they should not judge us for our response.
i have seen inappropriate responses to threads. these are not inappropriate in any way. no one is telling anyone what to do, just do what your comfortable with. i said i do not understand leaving your child on the ship. thats my thought. if i'm in a foreignh country i do not want to leave my child alone in case of emergency. yes, disney is a great safe place and i have no doubt they are very capable but what if? now do i think people who leave their children on the ship are wrong. nope! it is their comfort level and they are leaving the child in good hands. i just know that for me, if something were to go wrong, say the child needed medical care or god forbid went missing, i could never forgive myself. i don't leave my child at home with someone i just met so i certainly will not do that on foreign soil. again MY THOUGHTS. whats right for me may not be whats right for you and i do not judge.

 

[JsMom2]

I can see where my comments have upset people, and that was never my intention. Perhaps I've seen one too many episodes of "Cops," where people just do unbelievable things with their children (like passing out high or drunk and the toddler injests the remains of the beer or drugs), and hearing one too many stories from my DH, who is an RN in a emergency room. I was flabbergasted by the question, the OP had only posted 9 posts and it seemed to me designed to be asking for a comment.

If the OP is sincere, I apologize for my sarcasm and advise that you check out Flounders for your baby.

To the rest of the board: I am sorry for causing this problem. I do enjoy these boards and believe most people are asking honest questions, so I will err on the side of caution in the future.

-LadyZolt

 

[Skuba2]

I am not sure if anyone actually answered the questions of whether monitors work or not. Putting aside the fact that leaving a sleeping baby alone in a room while you ate dinner isn't the smartest thing to do. I know for a fact that a baby monitor will not have the range, power or ability to reach very far.

We took a nanny on a carnival cruise once. She slept with my two daughters in a room a few doors down. We brought a monitor to be able to hear them at night if they needed anything (the nanny and kids that is) so they wouldn't have to ring. My dh never wakes with the monitor---I do of course. Anyway, it wasn't reliable enough even a few doors down---although we did manage to hear that one had thrown up the last night of the cruise. So, it did help then.

You can, however, bring a stroller into the dining rooms and use flounder for Palo. The baby can sleep in the stroller. Sometimes, the hum of the dining room is enough to just put them to sleep.

Unfortunately, planning a trip with a baby along includes planning to make sacrifices. If they are old enough and you have the option, leaving them with a grandparent may be worth it. We left each of my "babies" at around 7 months with my parents to enjoy a trip with the older kids--we have 3 kids. The older ones enjoyed the "baby free" time and my youngest got some serious spoiling from nana and papa. They won't remember anything about the trip if they are very young and your vacation can be enjoyed without making sacrifices.

Good Luck!

DG

 

[mmps108]

First, thank you to all for your concern and comments.
I had NO idea that this post would cause such a stir!

I don't have kids, my BF is going on the Magic in January with her DH, DD (7 months) and in-laws at the same time we'll be on the Wonder with my family.

She and I were sitting around on Saturday chatting about the cruise and talking about dining times.
We were debating the merits of early dining vs late dining with the 7 month old.
Any thoughts from you all on what works best?

She knows all about Flounder's Nursery and she is a very good mother who would never do anything to put her baby in danger so hold off on calling DCFS for now. She knows that she can only reserve the Nursery for 10 hours pre-boarding and wondered what others did. And that is where the question came up about the baby monitor.

Honestly I had no idea this would be such a hot topic. I'm new to the Dis Boards and I'll think twice about posting questions that might cause such a reaction in the future.

 

[professorandmom]

Honestly I had no idea this would be such a hot topic. I'm new to the Dis Boards and I'll think twice about posting questions that might cause such a reaction in the future.

Please - as with any diverse group of people, there are very strongly expressed opinions sometimes....we are a very nice bunch overall!

I have a sister who is a Stay at home mom who homebirths and homeschools. We can't have conversations about almost anything kid related. It is just to hot for her....

By the way, if you'd like to know the hottest topics, you can also start a thread talking about
smoking
saving chairs at the pools
wearing t-shirts on formal night
leaving children on the ship when going into port
allowing sick children to wander the ship
skipping the lifeboat drill
whether or not passports are needed
all topics these BURST Into flames

Hope your BF has a wonderful, magical time!
Thanks for being part of the DIS family, warts and all
Barb

 

[tinkerone]

First, thank you to all for your concern and comments.
I had NO idea that this post would cause such a stir!

I don't have kids, my BF is going on the Magic in January with her DH, DD (7 months) and in-laws at the same time we'll be on the Wonder with my family.

She and I were sitting around on Saturday chatting about the cruise and talking about dining times.
We were debating the merits of early dining vs late dining with the 7 month old.
Any thoughts from you all on what works best?

She knows all about Flounder's Nursery and she is a very good mother who would never do anything to put her baby in danger so hold off on calling DCFS for now. She knows that she can only reserve the Nursery for 10 hours pre-boarding and wondered what others did. And that is where the question came up about the baby monitor.

Honestly I had no idea this would be such a hot topic. I'm new to the Dis Boards and I'll think twice about posting questions that might cause such a reaction in the future.

I WOULD NOT WORRY ABOUT YOUR QUESTION CAUSING A STIR. I HAVE SEEN THE SIMPLEST QUESTION BECOME A HOT TOPIC. TO BE HONEST, THAT IS PART OF THE REASON I READ THESE POSTS. I FIND THEM VERRY AMUSSING AT TIMES AND YOU WILL TO. NEVER BE AFRAID TO ASK WHATS ON YOUR MIND AND NEVER BE AFRAID OF THE ANSWERS YOU GET. ALSO NEVER BE AFRAID TO SPEAK UP ON SOMEONE ELSES THREAD. THATS WHAT IS SO GREAT ABOUT THE DIS. YOU GET YOUR ANSWER AND THEN SOME.
ALL IN ALL I HAVE FOUND DISERS TO BE A GREAT BUNCH. HAVE A GREAT TIME ON YOUR CRUISE.

 

[yndygo]

I can see where my comments have upset people, and that was never my intention. Perhaps I've seen one too many episodes of "Cops," where people just do unbelievable things with their children (like passing out high or drunk and the toddler injests the remains of the beer or drugs), and hearing one too many stories from my DH, who is an RN in a emergency room. I was flabbergasted by the question, the OP had only posted 9 posts and it seemed to me designed to be asking for a comment.

If the OP is sincere, I apologize for my sarcasm and advise that you check out Flounders for your baby.

To the rest of the board: I am sorry for causing this problem. I do enjoy these boards and believe most people are asking honest questions, so I will err on the side of caution in the future.

-LadyZolt

I don't think you caused a problem... I think it's natural for any parent to be reactionary when it comes to anything that might endanger a child.

And I try hard not to read the news reports about child abuse/death because it just makes my blood boil... so if you get exposed to it from the ER-side, bless you for being so calm about it!

First, thank you to all for your concern and comments.
I had NO idea that this post would cause such a stir!

I don't have kids, my BF is going on the Magic in January with her DH, DD (7 months) and in-laws at the same time we'll be on the Wonder with my family.

She and I were sitting around on Saturday chatting about the cruise and talking about dining times.
We were debating the merits of early dining vs late dining with the 7 month old.
Any thoughts from you all on what works best?

She knows all about Flounder's Nursery and she is a very good mother who would never do anything to put her baby in danger so hold off on calling DCFS for now. She knows that she can only reserve the Nursery for 10 hours pre-boarding and wondered what others did. And that is where the question came up about the baby monitor.

Honestly I had no idea this would be such a hot topic. I'm new to the Dis Boards and I'll think twice about posting questions that might cause such a reaction in the future.

You know - with the Internet (let alone this board) it's hard to know in advance what will cause a stir and what won't!

But since most people here (not all!) are parents, it's always a safe bet that things will get heated over parenting stuff!

Hope you enjoy your cruise - and that you keep hanging around the boards... there's a lot of great advice here and a lot of great people - even if we all lose our cool sometimes (I know I'm guilty of doing it!!!) it's still a great group!

 

[atinkerbellmom]

By the way, if you'd like to know the hottest topics, you can also start a thread talking about
smoking
saving chairs at the pools
wearing t-shirts on formal night
leaving children on the ship when going into port
allowing sick children to wander the ship
skipping the lifeboat drill
whether or not passports are needed
all topics these BURST Into flames
Barb

CAN I GET AN AMEN......... (Maybe I should not say this, it may not be PC).
I did not know this at first. Should place a on those subjects. Maybe we should place those topics in that little blurp you have to read when joining the DIS.....


To the original poster, welcome to the DIS and do not be afraid to ask a question. Even though my first reaction was ; the reason I am just now posting. Even though that was my reaction and I did not post for the fear of responding the wrong way, I want to say, your question did not bother me as much as the questions that come up from 1st timers that are answered in the FAQs. So thanks for posting. Do tell your DBF, that once the baby is 3, the cruise will be seen in a whole new way for her.