Attention animal rights activists!

sha_lyn said:
Nations change their laws all of the time as they progress and people learn better than the old ways. Slavery is a perfect example. Are you sayng just because something is/was a custom it is ok no matter how wrong or offensive it is.
So are in in support of the countries that allow female cicumcision, of for a male family member to kill a female member if she disgraces the family? Or is the way of life statement only in effect when people are not involved?
The Inuit do not want to be forced to change their way of lfe just because someone thousands of miles away looks down on their culture and tells them they need to progress and learn better ways.
Your examples make no sense. Enslaving people is illegal in the west, mutilation of female genitalia is illegal in the west, honour killing is illegal in the west. The culling of the seal population is legal.

ford family
 
ford family said:
The Inuit do not want to be forced to change their way of lfe just because someone thousands of miles away looks down on their culture and tells them they need to progress and learn better ways.
Your examples make no sense. Enslaving people is illegal in the west, mutilation of female genitalia is illegal in the west, honour killing is illegal in the west. The culling of the seal population is legal.

ford family

Forcing a culture to change their ways for the sake of one's own comfort is tantamount to ethnic cleansing. Dakota_Lynn is already on record that the Inuit should consider moving to Vancouver. I guess that's where they can all go to art school.

I'm wondering if Dakota_Lynn, sha_lynn, or jess_denmark have educated themselves about the practices of the Saskatchewan seal hunt. If they don't know how seals are hunted in the Arctic, I'm rather certain they have no clue about how they are hunted on the South Saskatchewan River.
 
The PETA spokes-bimbo Pamela Anderson was the host of the Canadian music industry awards last night in Halifax, Nova Scotia. She chose to use this opportunity to speak out against the seal hunt -- she was booed and jeered. She truly has no class.
 
Inuit er oprørte over de meldinger, som kommer fra
europæiske hovedstæder, hvor visse regeringer overvejer ny lovgivning,
der påbyder restriktioner på import af sælskind.
”Jeg appellerer til alle europæere og deres regeringer straks at stoppe alle overvejelser om
at indføre nogen form for handelsrestriktioner relateret til vores kultur,” udtaler Aqqaluk Lynge,
præsident for Inuit Circumpolar Conference (ICC) i Grønland. ”Vores traditionelle sælfangst er
bæredygtig. Kødet er en nødvendig del af sund Arktis mad, og salget af skind til frakker og
lignende til de europæiske lande er en vigtig del af økonomien i fangersamfundene.
I flere uger har der været bragt forvirrende og misvisende rapporter i de europæiske medier
omkring diskussionen mellem de grønlandske politikere og den offentligt ejede
sælskindsproducent, Great Greenland. Omdrejningspunktet i diskussionen har været, hvorvidt
selskabet skulle producere sælskind, som stammer fra fangst foretaget af canadier i canadisk
farvand.
Visse regeringer har fortolket disse medierapporter i en retning, at Grønland har
gennemført et importforbud på sælskind fra Canada. ICC er oprørt over at visse regeringer kan
forberede love baseret på en misinformation, som næppe kan blive sandheden meget fjernere.
På samme måde er ICC oprørt over den måde, hvorpå dyre rettigheds organisationer
hverver berømtheder til at advokere for disse usandheder. ”Jeg håber at Paul McCartney ville
komme at besøge hér i Grønland, så vi kan få en åben, ærlig og intelligent diskussion om vores
kultur og vores livsstil, frem for at remse op af den udenadslære han har fået påduttet af antigrupperne.”
siger Aqqaluk Lynge,
ICC beder Paul McCartney og andre europæere, at rette fokus på det det virkelig drejer sig
om, nemlig at hjælpe grønlænderne og de andre Inuit at forsvare sig imod de ekstreme dyre
rettigheds organisationer, som bruger enhver lejlighed til at sværte fangst og anden udnyttelse af
den levende natur til. ”Jeg så interviewet med Paul McCartney på CNN. Uden blusel påstår de at Grønland boykotter canadiske varer. Bevares, Sir Paul er jo ikke engang klar over at 90
procent af hans udtalelser er det rene nonsens” tilføjer Aqqaluk Lynge
Lynge afslutter med at sige: ”Regeringsmedlemmer, som også deltager i
Verdenshandelsorganisationen (WTO) bør virkelig tænke sig om en ekstra gang, før de lægger
øre til de ekstreme dyre rettigheds grupper og indfører ulovlige handelsrestriktioner mod varer,
der stammer fra de oprindelige folk!”
ICC er samarbejdsorganisationen for alle Inuit fra Rusland, Alaska, Canada og Grønland. ICC
blev etableret i 1977 for at støtte og fremme enhed, kultur, sprog og folkenes traditionelle
levevis, herunder udnyttelsen af den levende natur.
 

RoyalCanadian said:
Forcing a culture to change their ways for the sake of one's own comfort is tantamount to ethnic cleansing. Dakota_Lynn is already on record that the Inuit should consider moving to Vancouver. I guess that's where they can all go to art school.

:rotfl2: Do all Canadians lack understanding of sarcasm or is it just you? Eh? :lmao:
 
I'm guessing the Inuit of Greenland can't just pick up and move to an arts school in Vancouver. :confused3

Inuit in Greenland are alarmed at reports in European capitals that some governments are contemplating legislation restricting sealskin imports.

“I appeal to all Europeans and their governments to put all thoughts of any trade restrictions regarding our way of life on immediate hold,” said Aqqaluk Lynge, President of the Inuit Circumpolar Conference (ICC) in Greenland. “Our traditional Greenland seal hunt is sustainable. The meat plays an important part of the healthy Arctic diet and the trade of our sealskin coats to Europe helps our local village economies enormously”.

In past weeks, there have been confusing and misguided media reports in Europe about discussions between Greenland politicians and the publicly owned sealskin processing company, Great Greenland. The discussions have centered on to what degree the company should process sealskins from neighboring waters in Canada.

Some governments have taken these media reports to mean that Greenland has imposed an import ban on sealskins from Canada. ICC is alarmed that governments are enacting legislation based on this misinformation.

ICC is equally alarmed at animal rights organizations that are recruiting celebrities who are asked to give voice to these untruths. “I wish Paul McCartney would pay us a visit and have an frank, honest, and intelligent discussion with us here in Greenland about our way of life”, Mr. Lynge said, “instead of telling the media, by rote, what he is told to say by the anti-indigenous, anti-hunting animal rights people.”

ICC is appealing to Sir McCartney and other Europeans to focus rather on the real issue at hand, that is helping Inuit in their defense against the extremist animal rights movements that take every opportunity to denigrate hunting and living in a sustainable manner off the land and sea. “I saw the CNN interview with Paul McCartney and his wife stating that Greenland is boycotting Canadian products, which of course is untrue,” added Mr. Lynge, “and 90 percent of what else he said was pure rubbish. And he doesn’t even know it”.

“Government members of the World Trade Organization should think twice before they give their ear to the animal rights movement and impose illegal trade restrictions on indigenous peoples’ products,” added Mr. Lynge.

ICC represents Inuit from Russia, Alaska, Canada, and Greenland and was established in 1977 to promote Inuit unity, culture, language, and traditional way of life. Virtually all Greenlanders are Inuit.​
 
That was very sweet of you, RC, to paste that Danish article in for the great Dane, but trust me, she does speak fluent English. You could have saved yourself the trouble. ;)
 
RoyalCanadian said:
I'm guessing the Inuit of Greenland can't just pick up and move to an arts school in Vancouver. :confused3

No, of course not!

The Greenlandic Inuits would need to go to an art school in København! ;)
 
Dakota_Lynn said:
:rotfl2: Do all Canadians lack understanding of sarcasm or is it just you? Eh? :lmao:

No comment then on the Saskatchewan seal hunt? Can we understand from your silence on that issue that you support the slaughter of the seals in Saskatchewan? How about jess_denmark? Do you support the Saskatchewan seal hunt too? Shame on both of you for such hypocrisy!
 
Dakota_Lynn said:
No, of course not!

The Greenlandic Inuits would need to go to an art school in København! ;)

Forcing them to leave their country then? I'm not sure jess_denmark would like seeing Greenland Inuit wandering around Copenhagen with their sealskin parkas, boot and hakapiks over their shoulders while they try to develop a taste for Havarti cheese.
 
Dakota_Lynn said:
That was very sweet of you, RC, to paste that Danish article in for the great Dane, but trust me, she does speak fluent English. You could have saved yourself the trouble. ;)

Tis why I also posted it in English. I do love that most Europeans speak English with a level of fluency that is often beyond most North Americans. I also love that Germans speak English in such a way that they really do sound like the cast of Hogan's Heroes.
 
RoyalCanadian said:
No comment then on the Saskatchewan seal hunt? Can we understand from your silence on that issue that you support the slaughter of the seals in Saskatchewan? How about jess_denmark? Do you support the Saskatchewan seal hunt too? Shame on both of you for such hypocrisy!

:rotfl2: You have no idea what we're thinking! And it's probably just as well you don't, believe me! ;)
 
RoyalCanadian said:
Forcing them to leave their country then? I'm not sure jess_denmark would like seeing Greenland Inuit wandering around Copenhagen with their sealskin parkas, boot and hakapiks over their shoulders while they try to develop a taste for Havarti cheese.

You know what? I'm thinking we are finally agreeing on something here! :rotfl2: ;)
 
Dakota_Lynn said:
You know what? I'm thinking we are finally agreeing on something here! :rotfl2: ;)

True enough -- real Danish havarti can certainly be something of an acquired taste.
 
A Betrayal of the Facts

Rebecca Aldworth

Seal Hunt Slaughter - 2006

When the Department of Fisheries and Oceans polled the Canadian public in 2000, it found seven in 10 Canadians were unfamiliar with the facts of the seal hunt. Having seen some of the recent Canadian media stories on the topic, I can't say I'm surprised.

Earlier this month, I escorted Paul and Heather McCartney to the ice floes to witness the spectacular harp seal nursery and draw attention to the seal hunt, set to begin just a few weeks later. Unfortunately, many of the media stories that appeared subsequently were slanted, and at times even absurd.

One national TV station reported that the seals hunted today are adults, and included an accusation that the McCartneys were misleading the public by being photographed with seal pups. They were utterly wrong.

Canadian government kill reports prove 99 per cent of the seals slaughtered last year were just two months of age or less. Over the past five years, the majority of the seals killed have been younger than 1 month old. At the time of slaughter, many of these pups had yet to eat their first solid meal or take their first swim — hardly "adult" seals by anyone's standards.

Then there was a national editorial accusing animal protection groups of trying to "slaughter the incomes of Newfoundlanders."

But even the Newfoundland government says there are only about 4,000 active sealers each year and if you do the math, they earn less than 5 per cent of their incomes from killing seals.

McCartney proposed a fair licence buy-back plan that would fairly compensate fishermen should the seal hunt close.

This is hardly an attempt to take money away from Newfoundlanders.

And it's not a bad solution when you consider that ongoing boycotts of Canadian seafood and tourism will continue until the seal hunt is ended for good, and those boycotts are costing this country far more than a buy-back plan could ever cost to implement.

Other media outlets sunk to new lows, comparing animal protection groups to terrorists, criticizing McCartney's musical abilities, and trying to insinuate (without basis) that the McCartneys were uninformed on the issues. The Telegram actually saw fit to print a comment from one reader who suggested the "little woman" (Heather McCartney) should just stay home.

Many stories regurgitated that tired old sealing industry line that animal protection groups campaign to end the seal hunt to raise funds. Of course, given the groups involved are non-profit, this is about as logical as saying the Canadian Cancer Society uses cancer as a fundraising tool.

The CBC chose not to document the McCartneys trip to the ice floes because "the hunt has not started yet so it's not news."

Incredibly, just days later, CBC decided it would be news to try to follow activists at work to get the inside story on their tactics to stop the hunt.

There were the inevitable citings of a report used by the fisheries department, which supposedly suggests up to 98 per cent of the seals are killed in an "acceptably humane way."

Of course, media outlets chose not to explain this "study" was performed on board sealing vessels in the presence of enforcement officers, when sealers knew they were being watched. As much as you would not speed while driving past a police car, sealers are unlikely to violate regulations in front of enforcement officers.

And there was no reference to another study conducted by a team of independent veterinarians in the same year.

It concluded in 42 per cent of cases studied, the seals had likely been skinned alive while conscious and that the hunt causes "considerable and unacceptable suffering."

There were the usual claims that the harp seal population has "tripled" over the past three decades. But reporters left out an important qualification: The population has simply been recovering from an all-time low in the 1970s (caused by over-hunting in the 1950s and '60s).

They also failed to report that today's kill levels actually exceed those of a half century ago, when the sealing industry almost wiped out the harp seal population.

In the end, the debate rages on. And what may be overlooked by much of the Canadian media is the 300,000 seal pups that will be clubbed and shot and maybe even skinned alive for fur coats in the next few weeks.

So I have a message for Canadian editors who think this hunt should go on. Portraying the assault and battery of 3-week-old seal pups as an acceptable Canadian activity is a betrayal of the facts and the overwhelming majority of Canadians who oppose this cruel and needless slaughter.

You don't have to witness the hunt yourselves; consider yourselves lucky. But I do, and this will be my eighth year observing this slaughter first-hand.

In those years, I've been forced by law not to intervene as seal pups are literally skinned alive in front of me, as wounded seals are left for more than an hour to choke on their own blood, as injured baby seals wake up in piles of dead pups, covered in blood, bewildered and in pain. These are images I'll never get out of my mind.

For the record, I grew up in Newfoundland, I know sealers, and I've spent 10 years researching the sealing industry. Something most people fail to understand is what this job actually means for the people involved.

Even sealers will tell you it's brutal, dehumanizing, and miserable work. It's why many fishermen never return after their first year at the hunt, and 99 per cent of Newfoundlanders are not involved in any aspect of the industry.

I'm leaving to witness yet another seal hunt and it's my hope Canadian media will try to provide a more balanced overview of the issues this year.

Because as McCartney said in his quiet and measured way, "When you consider all the facts of this issue, you can arrive at only one conclusion
— it just has to stop."
 
This spring the great white nursery off Canada’s Atlantic coast will be stained with blood as hundreds of thousands of seals are slaughtered for their fur. Canada's
Department of Fisheries and Oceans has increased this year's kill quota,
allowing more than 355,000 harp, hooded and grey seals to be clubbed and
shot to death in the largest and cruelest slaughter of marine mammals anywhere on the planet.

The harp seal can live up to 35 years in the wild but the vast majority hunted every year (98% last year) is less than 12 weeks old. These pups have yet to eat their first solid food or learn how to swim. When the large sealing vessels arrive, they literally have nowhere to escape.

Whether the seals bleed to death from a hakapik, club or are shot from a moving boat, the seals suffer an agonizing and terrifying death. Shockingly, veterinarians and hunt observers have documented seals being skinned alive while still conscious. This is an enormous amount of cruelty to satisfy the European fashion industry with fur accessories and trinkets.

Although the majority of Canadians oppose this cruel and unnecessary hunt, it is promoted, protected and subsidized every year with their tax dollars.

2006 World Society for the Protection of Animals - WSPA
 
What seals are hunted?
Canada’s Department of Fisheries and Oceans (DFO) is responsible for setting the Total Allowable Catch (TAC) for three seal species. Harp seals (Phoca groenlandica) are the primary target of the commercial seal hunt but Hooded seals (Cystophora cristata) and Grey seals (Halichoerus grypus) are hunted as well.

What is the natural life expectancy of the harp seal and at what age are they hunted?The harp seal can live up to 35 years in the wild but the vast majority hunted every year (98% last year) is less than 12 weeks old. These defenseless pups make easy targets and their “prime condition” pelts are worth more than the adults’.

Is it now illegal to hunt baby seals?In 1983, the European Economic Community (EEC) instituted a ban on the importation of pelts from newborn harp seal pups (whitecoats) and hooded seal pups (bluebacks). The Canadian government responded to the international pressure in 1987 and banned the commercial killing of seal pups less than 12 days of age. However, the seal pups are fair game as soon as they start to molt their first hairs at 12 days old. Many of the seals killed had yet to eat their first solid food or learn how to swim. When the large sealing vessels arrive, they literally have nowhere to escape.

The DFO’s own statistics indicate that the vast majority of seals killed every year are between 12 days to 12 weeks old. These are most certainly pups by any biological definition. Harp seals do not reach sexual maturity until 4-6 years of age.


2. When and where are seals hunted?

When and where does Canada’s commercial seal hunt occur?Although the season for hunting seals is open from November 15 to May 15, the majority are killed in the spring after the mother seals have given birth to their pups. The large-scale hunt usually begins at the end of March in the waters and on ice floes off Canada’s eastern coast. There are two main areas where the hunt occurs: in the Gulf of the St. Lawrence, just east of the Magdalen Islands and off the coast of northeastern Newfoundland in an area known as the “Front”.

3. The largest slaughter
How many seals are hunted every year?Canada’s seal hunt is the largest deliberate slaughter of marine mammals on the planet.

Canada's Department of Fisheries and Oceans has authorized the killing of
335,000 harp seals, 10,000 hooded seals and 10,400 grey seals during the
2006 commercial hunt. Between 2003-2005, more than 1 million harp and
hooded seals were slaughtered for their skins.

4. Cruelty on ice
How are the seals killed?Seals can be legally killed with wooden clubs, hakapiks (large ice-pick-like clubs) and guns. In the Gulf of St. Lawrence, clubs and hakapiks are the killing implement of choice because they are cheaper to use and each bullet hole depreciates the value of the pelt. The seal hunt that takes place in the Front happens in April when the ice starts to break up as a result of the spring thaw. Since there is little ice to stand on, the hunters normally shoot at seals from their moving vessels. Regardless of which killing method is used, the seals suffer an agonizing death. The pups that try to escape under the ice are likely to drown along with the many seals that are wounded in the water.

Is the seal hunt conducted humanely?
Last year, 146,000 seals were killed in less than two days. This statistic is telling enough; these hunters do not take the time to ensure a humane kill in their race to acquire the most pelts.

Veterinarians have shockingly documented seals being skinned alive. In 2001, an independent team of veterinary experts studied Canada's commercial seal hunt. Their report concluded that in 42% of the cases they examined, the seal did not show enough evidence of cranial injury to even guarantee unconsciousness at the time of skinning. Video footage taken by hunt observers shows that many sealers do not conduct the Blink-reflex Test to ensure each seal is rendered unconscious before skinning, although the test is quick, simple and required by law.

The short duration of this hunt as well as the geographic and financial obstacles to monitoring the hunt, makes it impossible to ensure that the seals are killed humanely.

5. Who hunts seals?
Who hunts seals?Hunting for seals (or sealing) is an off-season activity conducted by a few thousand commercial fishers from Newfoundland and Quebec. Anyone can acquire a license to hunt seals which costs merely $5 /year. Sealers make roughly 5% of their income from slaughtering seals and 95% from the fishing industry.

Do Canadian aboriginals hunt seals?
Canada’s commercial seal hunt is an industrial scale slaughter conducted almost entirely by non-aboriginal people from Canada’s east coast. Less than 1% of the seals killed in the commercial hunt off the Atlantic coast may have been killed by aboriginals residing in Labrador. In the Arctic, the Inuit hunt adult ring seals for subsistence purposes.

WSPA is not opposed to the hunting of seals by aboriginal people for subsistence purposes provided that it is conducted humanely at a sustainable level. When the commercial seal hunt ends on Canada’s east coast, native families will still be able to hunt individual seals for food and clothing.

6. Seal products
Why are seals hunted? As there is almost no market for seal meat, the carcasses are normally left to rot on the ice or they are dumped into the ocean. There is a small market for seal oil (both for industrial purposes and for human consumption) and in the past, seal *****es were sold in Asian markets as an aphrodisiac. The only economically valuable part of the seal is its fur – a non-essential luxury product that no one really needs.

7. Seal population

How many seals are there?
When Europeans first arrived on Canada’s eastern coast, there were an estimated 40 million seals living in balance with cod and other fish species, so abundant they impeded the passage of ships. Today, the Canadian government estimates there are some 5.8 million seals in eastern Canadian waters and the cod are on the brink of extinction.

Are seals endangered?While the harp seal is not on Canada’s species at risk list, it is unlikely that the population can continue to withstand the current levels of exploitation.
The last time this many seals were killed was in the 50’s and 60’s (before the hunt was managed by the Canadian government) when nearly 2/3 of the population was wiped out. By the mid 70’s, senior scientists employed by the Canadian government recommended the commercial hunt be suspended for at least ten years to allow the troubled population to recover.

Unlike the walrus, pilot whale, polar bear, wolf, Labrador duck and Eskimo Curlew that were commercially exploited to extinction in Atlantic Canada years ago, the future of Canada’s harp and hooded seal population is now also jeopardized by global warming. To raise their pups, these seals are dependant on ice coverage, which has declined significantly over the years. The decline in sea ice could lead to a dramatic increase in seal mortality rates.

Seals are also threatened by unsustainable fishing practices which are not only depleting their food sources but entangle them in non-selective nets and trawls.Thousands of seals are caught every year as bycatch in gillnets.

It is naïve to think Canadian seal populations are doing just fine when they have been subjected to the largest cull in half a century as well as the implications of a degraded marine ecosystem due to over-fishing, pollution and climate change.

8. Seals and fish

What do seals eat?Harp seals consume a wide variety of fish and invertebrate species including euphausiids, cod, capelin and shrimp. Their diet varies with age, season, location and year.

Are seals threatening the recovery of north Atlantic cod stocks?
Supporters of the hunt still believe that there are too many seals eating far too much fish. When North Atlantic cod stocks were decimated in the early 90’s by overfishing and government mismanagement, seals quickly became the politically convenient scapegoats for the economic crisis.

After surveying the stomach contents of harp seals, scientists estimate that commercially fished cod comprises just 3% of the seal’s diet. Since harp seals also consume many significant predators of cod, killing hundreds of thousands of seals every year could lead to an increase in predatory fish populations and thus a further decline in cod and other groundfish.

9. Subsidized cruelty: Is it worth it?
What is the economic value of the seal hunt?
Sealing is an off-season activity for those primarily employed in the commercial fisheries. They make roughly 5% of their income from killing seals and 95% from the fishing industry.
Even in Newfoundland where the vast majority of sealers live, sealing only accounts for less than 1% of the province’s Gross Domestic Product and revenues comprise just 2% of the fishery’s total landed value. In comparison, shellfish such as snow crab represent 80% of the landed value. In a record profit year, the seal hunt is valued at $16 million.

Is the seal hunt subsidized?The seal hunt has been artificially sustained through government subsidies, without these, the hunt is very likely a net cost to Canada. According to study conducted by the Canadian Institute for Business and the Environment, more than $20 million in subsidies were provided to the sealing industry between 1995 and 2001. Government subsidies have been provided to seal processing industry for worker’s salaries and upgrades and to enhance the development and promotion of new markets for seal products. The study concluded that the commercial hunt provided 100-120 full-time jobs in sealing and processing and Canadian taxpayers are spending $28,250 - $33,900 for each of these positions. Taxpayers also pay for the Canadian Coast Guard which breaks the ice every year so that the sealing vessels can access the seals.

Subsidizing an industry which only employs a hundred people full time and a few thousand for a few weeks of the year is a bad investment for the country

2006 World Society for the Protection of Animals - WSPA
 
Dakota_Lynn said:
Great info, Jess. Thanks for posting that! :thumbsup2

Why? Every myth has already been refuted by the Canadian government DFO website information that I posted.
 


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