Attempted rape reported at Disney Pop Century Resort

[DancingBear]

I know all about this incident. Why and how are not for me to tell a public forum. If you want more from me then that, you're not going to get it.

So, it's your position that we shouldn't believe what we read in the papers, but we should believe a guy who posted on an internet chat board but won't tell us "why and how" he has the info.

 

[LoveDoc143]

So, it's your position that we shouldn't believe what we read in the papers, but we should believe a guy who posted on an internet chat board but won't tell us "why and how" he has the info.

Or better yet - look at what was presented to you and make your own decision. $ex crimes unit still doing detective work, a ten minute gap in the newspaper's report. No mention of how the victim got from her attacked spot to the hotel room. No mention of anybody else who was involved in some way. And how the Orlando Sentinel already changed the story from one version to another within 24 hours - saying the same thing, but leaving some otherwise important information out (like the attackers description).

You're absolutely right, though .. I'm just "some guy on the internet chat board" who's not giving any additional information to the public regarding the incident for good reason (as previously stated). Just because I won't give "full details" and an "expose`" on the incident throws my credibility out the door. Fair game in my opinion.

Either way - I'm done responding to this. I can't give any more information than I have nor do I care to. All I'm doing is egging this conversation on for no reason. The back and forth with no information and misleading information from the newspaper is just irritating. For those with a clue, thank you.

 

[fan of the TTA]

wow.....i never knew so much strange stuff went on at disney!. found out loads since i joined this forum!

 

[mitros]

My only question is, if this guy wanted to get into a room, how would having the key help unless he knew what room the key fit? There are no room numbers on the keys. There aren't even any resort names on the keys.....

 

[CanadianGuy]

My only question is, if this guy wanted to get into a room, how would having the key help unless he knew what room the key fit? There are no room numbers on the keys. There aren't even any resort names on the keys.....

And the thick-plottens....

My "scam-o-meter" is off the scale on this report.

Knox

 

[sarcasticblonde]

And the thick-plottens....

My "scam-o-meter" is off the scale on this report.

Knox

Yeah, I agree with you. I kept my original post on page one abbreviated because I didn't want to say that I totally did not believe that this woman was attacked. She probably was.

This whole entire story on Orlando Sentinel is ridiculous. There are so many holes and so many different speculations that I can make from the story that was laid before me. I'm sure most of you can make the same speculations as to what happened or how it might have happened.

I suppose it's not my place to speculate. I'm just another one of those random people on the internet, except I don't have the insider information that one of the previous posters has. Like I've said before, this story seems mighty fishy...with or without the plot holes.

 

[CanadianGuy]

I know.. I hate being that guy who doesn't believe people.. But there is something with all this that just doesn't add up.

I'm guessing it's all those 'Encyclopedia Brown' books I read when I was a kid... well that or all the Scooby Doo episodes.

Knox

 

[KINGBOBOFTHENORTH]

I'm the guy that was very skeptical about the story a couple gave last summer about being kidnapped from the DTD parking lot and taken to Kissimmee. They left town uncooperative and refusing to press charges if anyone was caught.

But I have to say that I was less skeptical about this story when I first read it in the paper. But there are definitely some missing pieces as has been pointed out. And if the key wouldn't work to let her back into her guest room, how did it work to let her back in to the hotel building? I thought all the buildings are locked at night and a key is required to get from outside into the hallways.

BobK/Orlando

 

[minnie61650]

I'm the guy that was very skeptical about the story a couple gave last summer about being kidnapped from the DTD parking lot and taken to Kissimmee. They left town uncooperative and refusing to press charges if anyone was caught.

But I have to say that I was less skeptical about this story when I first read it in the paper. But there are definitely some missing pieces as has been pointed out. And if the key wouldn't work to let her back into her guest room, how did it work to let her back in to the hotel building? I thought all the buildings are locked at night and a key is required to get from outside into the hallways.

BobK/Orlando

There are NO interior hallyways to get to a guest rooms at Pop . The guest room doors open directly to the outside (like some motels) so she would not need a working key.


Here is an exterior photo with the exterior walkways of a Pop building from the homepage of the DIS:

http://www.wdwinfo.com/Photos/Pop_Century/index.htm

 

[disney's daughter]

My sister and I were staying at Pop Century during that time...When we arrived on one of the buses after being at EPCOT, we saw at least 12 police cars lined up in front. Our bus driver said it had been like that for an hour and a half.

One mother was concerned as to if she should be worried about her and her children's safety...and decided to ask the front desk...(I tagged along) The CM there said he didn't know anything about it and said he would ask his manager...He came back and said he still didn't know...that "Perhaps the police were practicing"...She wasn't satisfied with that answer so she approached a "gathering" of one policeman, one police woman, and two Disney Management men. She asked them if she should be worried or concerned about her children and their safety. Disney Management just looked at her and didn't say a word...The police woman said everything was fine...and that was it...I guess they weren't supposed to say anything...but, I thought Disney Management was a bit "cold" towards the mother....I guess I was somewhat surprised and thought he would have said something like..."Don't worry...Everything is under control"....Something...but, he didn't...
The mother, still angry with the response, walked away....My sister and I thought because there were so many police cars there...a little child may have been lost....but, then...I read on line about the attempted rape/assault....I've been to Pop Century many many times...and I have been there during the time the attack happened...Perhaps I don't have a criminal mind...but, it seems to me...one would have to be very stupid to attack somebody at that time....and at Pop Century....There is always somebody around...it isn't like it is 2:00 in the morning....Like people are saying...there is just a lot we don't know..yet...

 

[ChillyWilleys]

Further more along the lines of fishy. The husband found a cast member and had him call 911?

 

[DancingBear]

Here's the last story the Sentinel posted:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-cfbriefs19_307dec19,0,6744654.story

So these are the things folks find fishy:

--The "gap" in the story between "about 5:50 p.m." being attacked and "about 6 p.m." pounding on her room door. I really don't understand why this sounds suspicious to anyone.

--Husband had a hotel worker call 911 while he went looking for the perp. Again, what's the issue here? Woman is screaming and pounding on the door. A maid (or other CM) is drawn to the commotion; husband says "call 911--I'm going looking for this punk."

--Hotel key wouldn't work to let her in the building. As pointed out by minnie, Pop Century has exterior hallways.

--Why would anyone try to steal her room key? I dunno, but perhaps (1) that part of the story is over-emphasized (there is no doubt that the original Sentinel story was poorly written; and apparently the Sheriff is investigating this as a sexual assault and not an attempted robbery), (2) the guy saw what room she came out of, (3) room keys are also charge cards (although it could be easily and quickly canceled), and (4) some criminals aren't smart.

--According to LoveDoc, the police report doesn't say "attempted rape" and the victim didn't use the word "rape." So what? The police report just summarizes what the witnesses reported. It's up to the cops to decide whether to classify their investigation as a robbery, assault, or attempted rape. The story says that the sex crimes unit was continuing its search for the perp.

On the other hand, (1) LoveDoc says he knows about it and it was an "attempted grope", not an attemped rape. But I think we'd all agree that a sexual assault at the PC is still a matter of concern. (2) The paper says the sex crimes unit is pursuing. (3) disney's daughter says there were a dozen police cars there and apparently they were there for over two hours (1 1/2 hours according to the bus driver, and thereafter), and she describes a scene where Disney and the cops seem to be taking the thing quite seriously. I don't know exactly what happened, but it doesn't sound like a scam to me.

 

[Another Voice]

So these are the things folks find fishy:

The real reason people want to find this fishy is because they want to believe they are safe at their favorite places. Had this story happened at Universal no one would have questioned it for a second, and the boards would be filled with glowing stories about how much better Disney is.

Crime has happened at WDW from the beginning - including murders of guests and murders between cast members. Hell - a group of housekeeping cast members were caught running a prositution ring on Disney property many years ago. And the Crossroads Center right outside the Hotel Plaza is gathering a reputation all on its own.

With all the cuts to security, the open nature of the lower end hotels and the places like Downtown Disney which attract the crowd that preys on tourists and Orlando's soaring crime rate - is it any really any wonder that WDW is being impacted?

The situation is just more true today than it was in the past - you are responsibile for your own security. No one is going to look out for you more than you need to look out for yourself.

 

[Frantasmic]

I think the attempted grabbing of the room key was to delay her reporting it and giving him extra time to get away.

The perp sounds like they acted on the fly and picked a lone woman to try to assault. The first thing he grabs is the key because he wants to ensure he can make a quick getaway when done and he doesn't have to think about it. Sounds like someone who has thought it out.

Attack, grab the key, assault, run. Any extra time he has is get away time for him.

 

[sarcasticblonde]

The real reason people want to find this fishy is because they want to believe they are safe at their favorite places. Had this story happened at Universal no one would have questioned it for a second, and the boards would be filled with glowing stories about how much better Disney is.

Crime has happened at WDW from the beginning - including murders of guests and murders between cast members. Hell - a group of housekeeping cast members were caught running a prositution ring on Disney property many years ago. And the Crossroads Center right outside the Hotel Plaza is gathering a reputation all on its own.

With all the cuts to security, the open nature of the lower end hotels and the places like Downtown Disney which attract the crowd that preys on tourists and Orlando's soaring crime rate - is it any really any wonder that WDW is being impacted?

The situation is just more true today than it was in the past - you are responsibile for your own security. No one is going to look out for you more than you need to look out for yourself.

I don't care if this happened in WDW or anywhere else. I do NOT think WDW is safer than other places I visit. Far from it. I think the story is fishy due to the holes and also, I think it's just a bunch of bunk in general.

I think the attempted grabbing of the room key was to delay her reporting it and giving him extra time to get away.

The perp sounds like they acted on the fly and picked a lone woman to try to assault. The first thing he grabs is the key because he wants to ensure he can make a quick getaway when done and he doesn't have to think about it. Sounds like someone who has thought it out.

Attack, grab the key, assault, run. Any extra time he has is get away time for him.

Possibly...but if he took her key...then how did she have trouble getting into her hotel room due to her bent key?? That's one of the parts I DO NOT understand. He takes key...yet she still has her key.

 

[DancingBear]

He takes the key out of her pocket, she grabs for it, they struggle, she gets it back, it's bent. What's so hard to understand about that? And anyway, why would she make that up? What's that supposed to add to the scam?

 

[Maistre Gracey]

Hell - a group of housekeeping cast members were caught running a prositution ring on Disney property many years ago.

I heard this several years back. Since then I've searched for information about it, and found none.
Can you provide a link that addresses this? If there is one, I guess I'm not skillfull enough to find it.

MG

 

[sarcasticblonde]

He takes the key out of her pocket, she grabs for it, they struggle, she gets it back, it's bent. What's so hard to understand about that? And anyway, why would she make that up? What's that supposed to add to the scam?

Okay...he takes the key from her. And then she's going to fight with her attacker to get her key back?? Yeah. Okay.

 

[minnie61650]

He takes the key out of her pocket, she grabs for it, they struggle, she gets it back, it's bent. What's so hard to understand about that? And anyway, why would she make that up? What's that supposed to add to the scam?

I am NOT saying it is a scam for money. I do not think it is.
I am waiting for more info because there is a lot missing from the article such as how she was able to get the key back. I think a lot of info is being held back for whatever reason.

Sometimes
police along with the newspapers will intentionaly make things kind of vauge or may distort certain facts in an attempt to catch the suspect.

Just an FYI to show my line of thinking:

During the years of 1976 and 1977 there was a kidnapper/killer in Oakland County Michigan who kidnapped and killed 2 girls and 2 boys ages 10-12.
The killer was also nicknamed The Babysitter, as all four victims had been recently bathed. The children were each held from 4 -19 days before being killed. They were all killed during the winter months.

One of the newsparper articles profiled him as being like a squirrel
and that he took them to his nest and held them until he killed them.


He was never found.

Years later we learned that police were hoping to lure the killer to Squirrel Road, Auburn Hills, MI where police were hoping to entrap him.

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Oakland County Child killer link added:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_County_Child_Killer

Just my 2 cents.

 

[LoveDoc143]

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