Attack of the Lakeshore Lodge

[Brittleebee]

I figure if I buy direct (paying that premium), I’d want to have it for as long as possible (future resort booking benefits, later expiry), so a 2075(+?) resort has the edge there.

Mind you thinking about it for 30 seconds longer, I don’t necessarily need the direct benefits to last until age 90… age 80+ is certainly plenty. I’ll have to come up with another reason. Either way though I don’t think the restrictions would be the deciding factor.

I would be 81 in 2075, so that’s not the major playing factor for me. I solely own resale and the pricing on DVC-Y has always made me a little nauseous as a numbers kinda gal. On the other hand, I don’t like that I’m restricted from staying where I want currently. For that reason, blue card is likely in my future. As a resale owner though, I know I would never purchase a contract with even further restrictions attached. I’d like to know that if I were in need of getting out from under this already overpriced (in my opinion) product, I could do it and recoup the most value. That is likely something I am overthinking because I would hope to keep my contracts to expiry, but I’m also well aware that a lot could happen between now and 81. I love these forums for such great discourse on these topics.

 

[T00dles]

I always say, if you're going to buy direct, then you should buy new. In other words, purchase a resort direct when that's the only way you can buy it. You get maximum use of the points, and there isn't a lower price to be had. With this new Fort Wilderness Resort, we may not get a full 50 year contract since it will likely be mixed together with the Cabins at Fort Wilderness. But we should get close to 50, and that will be fine with me.

Looking forward to what comes of this project, and am starting to save $$ to purchase.

 

[disneylandtour]

I always say, if you're going to buy direct, then you should buy new. In other words, purchase a resort direct when that's the only way you can buy it. You get maximum use of the points, and there isn't a lower price to be had. With this new Fort Wilderness Resort, we may not get a full 50 year contract since it will likely be mixed together with the Cabins at Fort Wilderness. But we should get close to 50, and that will be fine with me.

Looking forward to what comes of this project, and am starting to save $$ to purchase.

But MFs here--assuming it's combined with the cabins--are absurdly high. From a long-term cost perspective--assuming MFs stay high--it might be better to buy into a different resort with lower MFs and then simply stay at Reflections.

 

[ehh]

Anybody know how to watch for permits for...houseboats?

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[Brittleebee]

Anybody know how to watch for permits for...houseboats?

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Whoa…

 

[T00dles]

But MFs here--assuming it's combined with the cabins--are absurdly high. From a long-term cost perspective--assuming MFs stay high--it might be better to buy into a different resort with lower MFs and then simply stay at Reflections.

MF's should come down once/if a tower is added to the CFW. Competition at 7 months may not be bad, but currently booking CFW is already tight frequently. If CFW are not added to the River Country resort, then better for MF's. If it is, then yes, the CFW maintenance fees will be absorbed but the 11 mo booking window will be good for us since we travel at popular times (e.g. Christmas break). If the pricing/MF's is too rich for our blood, we'll be fine with our current ownership.

In general though, buying a resort new is the best way to rationalize direct purchase.

 

[Kailunkat]

Anybody know how to watch for permits for...houseboats?

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Over water grand villa cabungaboats? I'm gonna need a lot more $$$$

 

[DonMacGregor]

... and to borrow from the never-ending Aulani thread "way too hot" or "much too cold"

I always shake my head at that, having grown up with Hawaii as our preferred vacation spot (SoCal local).

How you can be on a tropical island in the Pacific yet complain about the temperature of a man-made stream, 100 yards from the actual ocean is beyond me. It’s not a Great Wolf Inn in Des Moines.

 

[Mikey15]

Over water grand villa cabungaboats? I'm gonna need a lot more $$$$

Yours is good, not taking that away from you, but in my head now these will probably always be Mojo Dojo Casa Boats

 

[Brian Noble]

Mojo Dojo Casa Houseboats.

 

[davidhr]

PIT is old news. The thread is slow now. We need DVC to (re)announce this!

 

[Kailunkat]

Yours is good, not taking that away from you, but in my head now these will probably always be Mojo Dojo Casa Boats

Mojo Dojo Casa Houseboats.

I think we would be losing out if they were not henceforth known as Mojo Dojo Casa Cabungaboats. Bring on the M.D.C.C.'s

 

[BetterInTheWildnerness24]

I’m so proud to have been witness to the birth of these names.

Cabungaboats is a work of art.

Mojo Dojo Casa Houseboats makes my heart soar.

I could never choose, Mojo Dojo Casa Cabungaboats will simply have to stick!!

Five stars, 500 points a night, no notes.

 

[T00dles]

Each Cabungaboat rental comes with a dinghy to transport guests back and forth from the resort. Guests can also use the dinghy to attend the Treasure Island Pirate Campfire over on Discovery Island.

 

[marmentrout85]

I would be 81 in 2075, so that’s not the major playing factor for me. I solely own resale and the pricing on DVC-Y has always made me a little nauseous as a numbers kinda gal. On the other hand, I don’t like that I’m restricted from staying where I want currently. For that reason, blue card is likely in my future. As a resale owner though, I know I would never purchase a contract with even further restrictions attached. I’d like to know that if I were in need of getting out from under this already overpriced (in my opinion) product, I could do it and recoup the most value. That is likely something I am overthinking because I would hope to keep my contracts to expiry, but I’m also well aware that a lot could happen between now and 81. I love these forums for such great discourse on these topics.

I'm right there with you on only owning resale for now, and the whole direct debate is an ongoing struggle in my mind for the past 6+ months now lol.

My thing is, it's already expensive enough buying direct as-is, and somewhere down the line whenever I use those more expensive direct points elsewhere at the 7-month mark, I'm likely overspending on points since the lower-point rooms are usually taken up by then. And when I think about that it's tough to justify in my mind most of the time. But part of me is also kicking myself for not taking advantage of the good RIV direct pricing this past spring-summer or the great OKW direct deal from the Spring. But here we are, only owning resale, and probably looking at buying more RIV resale if you can believe it.

I guess if you know you're going to absolutely love a resort, and are patient enough (which I know is a real struggle for me a lot of times) then you could always wait until the right resale contract shows up for that resort after it's been open for awhile.

 

[Cfabar1]

I would strongly consider buying this if it is it's own deeded association.

I have no interest in buying this if it is bundled with the cabins or is another part of the trust.

 

[NVDISFamily]

I would strongly consider buying this if it is it's own deeded association.

I have no interest in buying this if it is bundled with the cabins or is another part of the trust.

Hmmmm… If I knew that this was going to be linked to the cabins and that the MFs would get lowered into something more aligned with reality it would make me ponder buying a very popular fixed week at the cabins with the knowledge I’d not be locked into that one room type and give me the flex to have a lot of options in the future. Use the room in the popular time, convert it to points and book a larger villa, or rent the room/reservation if needed. Also would likely add more value to the resale if I ever had to get rid of it….

 

[BrianLo]

I was somewhat opposed to the cabins inclusion, simply because of the sheer glut of them. But unlike typical cabins, they aren’t highly priced dead inventory dragging maintenance fees down. They are more cheap, technically desirable inventory dragging fees up.

It’s all 300+ of them that’s a little questionable. That said, this is looking to be an exceptionally large resort. So the cabins could still be diluted in a 3:1 ratio. Including the fact they could potentially be over estimated, we could see these maintenance fees more align with Animal Kingdom territory in a number of years. Then the math starts to dramatically change.

Since I think I personally only want this resort via resale, a glut of cheap cabins isn’t the worst thing in the world to get stuck booking. It also makes the points pool incredibly large and likely the buy in price incredibly low. Like 7-8 years from now, but still.

It also puts the resort points chart on a very, very affordable band. The opposite of Poly. You just cannot pull off a lake view Duo that’s more points than a cabin, when you are saddled with the cabins points chart setting the entry point.

All of which is to say… I think people really start to have a very different perspective on these cabins if their maintenance fees aren’t astronomical - and they include priority booking in more traditional units with more traditional deluxe amenities.

I have to imagine this is the plan, it’s the only clear path to completely rewrite the cabins. Otherwise they have 60, or whatever, already declared. With ability to sell about 2 more of them by 2030.

 

[Brian Noble]

If I knew that this was going to be linked to the cabins and that the MFs would get lowered into something more aligned with reality it would make me ponder buying a very popular fixed week at the cabins with the knowledge I’d not be locked into that one room type and give me the flex to have a lot of options in the future.

I don't think there is any urgency. They can sell up to 100-ish deeds for each week of the year, and the current sales pace is glacial. There is time to see how things unfold.

That said, my money is on: The Resort Formerly And Possibly Still Known As Reflections plus the Ft. W cabins are all going to be one big association when it is all said and done. I'd put a little money on "the whole TRFAPSKAR building will be DVC" as well, but that's probably just because it fits with my priors.

 

[tidefan]

I don't think there is any urgency. They can sell up to 100-ish deeds for each week of the year, and the current sales pace is glacial. There is time to see how things unfold.

That said, my money is on: The Resort Formerly And Possibly Still Known As Reflections plus the Ft. W cabins are all going to be one big association when it is all said and done. I'd put a little money on "the whole TRFAPSKAR building will be DVC" as well, but that's probably just because it fits with my priors.

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