Attack of the Lakeshore Lodge

[Brian Noble]

Worse. An academic.

 

[Brian Noble]

I have no interest in buying this if it [...] is another part of the trust.

Because that would bundle it with the cabins, or is there some other feature of the trust you don't like/are concerned about?

 

[Cfabar1]

Because that would bundle it with the cabins, or is there some other feature of the trust you don't like/are concerned about?

Both actually!

I have no interest in staying in the cabins, so having to pay for those dues one way or another doesn't intrigue me....

And with the trust, I am also suspicious of what that means long term, and am not eager to support a trust product - at least in the current form - and without additional qualifications.

 

[Brian Noble]

Other developers have a trust model vs. deeded ownership, and some have both. The primary differences in most of them are: (1) terminating the ownership of someone not paying maintenance fees is easier (no foreclosure required) and (2) voting rights are retained by the developer rather than passing to the owner.

For DVC, the second thing doesn't really matter, because owners don't vote for Board positions anyway.

 

[CastAStone]

I would strongly consider buying this if it is it's own deeded association.

I have no interest in buying this if it is bundled with the cabins or is another part of the trust.

It could also be its own trust.

Actually I don’t think that’s too unlikely

 

[zavandor]

After a zillion speculation posts about Poly "same or different association" I don't know if I'm ready for three years of "same or different trust".

 

[Brian Noble]

Maybe we should just start a betting market.

 

[tx911]

Is same association, different trusts possible??

 

[hockeydad21]

It could also be its own trust.

Actually I don’t think that’s too unlikely

It won’t…

Reflections + CFW will likely be the only 2 resorts ever baked into the trust.

 

[CastAStone]

It won’t…

Reflections + CFW will likely be the only 2 resorts ever baked into the trust.

You’re guessing. We have no idea.

 

[CastAStone]

Maybe we should just start a betting market.

I’d sooner bet on which contracts Disney will ROFR.

 

[kilik64]

You’re guessing. We have no idea.

We all are lol

I'm with hockeydad though, all that rampant trust speculation when CFW was opening was just crazy to me. I don't think any other DVC will go into a trust other than Reflections to lump it in with the cabins. And I don't necessarily think that is a foregone conclusion either.

 

[hockeydad21]

You’re guessing. We have no idea.

While true because nothing has been “confirmed” by DVC, you just have to read between the lines to understand where they’re going with this in a larger business decision. I’d argue the decision between poly association was much much more of a toss up than reflections and CFW, but that’s just me. And, frankly, I didn’t think poly tower was really much of a toss up either, but there were at least some better arguments for it than this reflections & CFW debate.

 

[Sandisw]

It could also be its own trust.

Actually I don’t think that’s too unlikely

To add, it could be part of the same trust but not be part of the same RTU vacation plan that they created for the cabins.

They can set it up exactly as CFW without making them all part of the same plan.

 

[Cfabar1]

It won’t…

Reflections + CFW will likely be the only 2 resorts ever baked into the trust.

I sincerely doubt this…. I think the trust model solves a lot of problems for Disney that come into play around oh say 2038…

 

[DVC Gma]

Little off topic, but is this why it seems to me they have tons of new DVC rooms, to help when BCV & BWV "Close?" (Others too) I just know I will not be staying at the Fort Cabins they just made. Of course by 2042 I will be even older and may not care what is going on at WDW DVC...LOL

 

[hockeydad21]

Little off topic, but is this why it seems to me they have tons of new DVC rooms, to help when BCV & BWV "Close?" (Others too) I just know I will not be staying at the Fort Cabins they just made. Of course by 2042 I will be even older and may not care what is going on at WDW DVC...LOL

They’re pushing DVC-only new builds right now because they’re trying to eliminate risk. Far too often Disney hotels have had poor occupancy rates over the last 25 years, and they’d like to minimize that as best as possible. And if you’re guaranteed these onsite DVC hotels are sold out, then you’re pretty much guaranteeing spend at your restaurants and parks as well. And sure, while they could probably make more money long term from a standard cash hotel, the far safer bet for Disney is in a timeshare.

 

[ocdb8r1]

To me the "same association/same trust" conversation just isn't as relevant as it was for PIT (certainly not until there's some resale CFW contracts on the market)...and even then, still not as relevant as no matter what, neither CFW nor Reflections will be bookable by non-home resort resale points). To me, this speculation was interesting for Poly because:

1) those wanting home resort priority at PIT wanted to know if they could get it via an existing Poly resale or if they'd need to wait an buy direct (or wait for a PIT resale which would also have "resale restrictions); and

2) those of us wondering if we'd be able to access PIT with our non-restricted resale points.

#1 becomes relevant once there's some CFW resale contracts as some might be willing to pick those up if it will get them access to Reflections....but there is no resale market now. #2 never becomes relevant because no matter what, Reflections is not accessible via resale points (unless DVC abandons the restrictions altogether).

 

[Brittleebee]

Just left Fort Wilderness. Lots of movement today and a large group of Disney officials flanked by construction employees touring the area.

 

[Lorana]

Anyone have some guesses as to when they might announce (re-announce) Reflections?

Of course I'm still waiting for them to tell us when the Skyliner will be down for refurbishment in January (or if it will), and that's two months out now, so I'm not hopeful of any kind of really early announcement at this point.