At Risk for Being Overweight

Toby'sFriend said:
yes, 88.5% as a BMI makes no sense. I wonder if it is a Growth Percentile?
They really just need to make annual physicals a requirement rather than K, 5th, and 9th grades and let the kid's Doctors diagnose whether or not there is a problem.

If you the calculated BMI: wt (lb)/stature (in)/stature(in)x703 it would come out to 20.7. If you plotted that number with the age 11 it would near the 85th% for age. It's true the BMI doesn't take into account muscle mass(but for many kids this is not the issue).There is a new calculation just using waist and hips but I don't have the guidelines for the numbers handy. Has anyone read about it recently?
 
Here is a good online calculator...

BMI Calculator for kids

HOWEVER, it does not take muscle v. fat ratio. If you plug in an athlete's weight, he will almost always come out as "fat". I remember reading an article about Shaq. In his best playing shape he had a ridiculous body fat percentage, something like 4%, but if you just plugged in height/weight then he was grossly overweight. Your doc is the best source of info. Toss the nurse's note and don't worry about it. To me, her reading is like having a cheolesterol score without the breakdown.

On the topic of the dentist, DD was required to have a dental exam to enter Kdg, a new requirement in IL this year.
 
NCRedding said:
The chart or table they are using is incorrect. Your son's BMI is about 21.9%.
It is not his bmi it is the percentile he is larger than 88 percent of kids his age.
 
Is the 88th percentile for height or weight? My pediatrician said that if the height percentile's above the weight percentile, even if both are very high, that not to worry. It's when the weight # is higher than the height # that you might have to take a second look. Plus, you have three body types, endomorph (solid, short and dense), mesomorph (most people, average) and ectomorph (string bean types).

On a similar thread, I got a note from some lackey at school telling me my kindergartener had been late for school 4 times in the last 100 days and that this was a warning letter and I needed to make changes to get her to school on time. I wrote a letter back telling her I had a 96% success rate, which was an A, and I wasn't going to change my A habits one iota. Sheesh.

Why can't the nurses just do what they're hired to do, care for illness, look for lice and put bandaids on boo boos...
 

Disneyrsh said:
Why can't the nurses just do what they're hired to do, care for illness, look for lice and put bandaids on boo boos...

I don't know about your district, but in our district that is part of what they're hired to do.
 
maleficent1959 said:
I don't know about your district, but in our district that is part of what they're hired to do.

Oops, I don't want to turn this into a nurse flame post, that wasn't my intention. MIL is a retired NICU nurse. What I'm trying to say is let the nurses be nurses, not pencil pushers.

I am annoyed that they're making nurses do silly parental-replacement type stuff when most parents are capable of assessing their kids' weight, along with making sure their teeth are clean and their eyes are checked. It's when public school starts getting all Big Brother that I start to get really annoyed.
 
I find it funny that schools will be the first ones to tell you that your child is at risk/or is overweight, yet the lunches they serve are some of the most fattening and they cut back on PE in the classroom. Sure I don't have to purchase a "hot" lunch, and I can sign up my kids for sports or fitness classes, but come on isn't this like the "pot calling the kettle black". If they are going to "warn" you about something they need to lead by example.
 
Disneyrsh said:
Why can't the nurses just do what they're hired to do, care for illness, look for lice and put bandaids on boo boos...
I think it is a state law in PA that they have to do this. Our school nurse came to our last PTO meeting to talk about BMI. There are an awful lot of overweight kids and it is becoming a bigger problem, with several in our district developing diabetes. I agree lunches need to be healthier too.
 
This reminds me of the doctor at my DH's workplace (a plant). He told DH that he really needed to start exercising. LOL

DH just ran the WDW marathon, runs everyday or rides mountain bikes. Gosh, have we laughed over this. He's a quack doctor.
 
Breezy_Carol said:
When DS was in kindergarten, he came home with a note telling us he couldn't see and he would be reevaluated in 6 weeks. DH is an optometrist. DS has worn glasses since he was 2. I sent a note and told them I thought they could better use their time elsewhere.


:rotfl2: :lmao: That's classic :rotfl2: :lmao:
 
mrsv98 said:
HOWEVER, it does not take muscle v. fat ratio. If you plug in an athlete's weight, he will almost always come out as "fat". I remember reading an article about Shaq. In his best playing shape he had a ridiculous body fat percentage, something like 4%, but if you just plugged in height/weight then he was grossly overweight. Your doc is the best source of info. Toss the nurse's note and don't worry about it. To me, her reading is like having a cheolesterol score without the breakdown.


This is true. We have one of those gizmos that measures BMI and body fat % and DH's comes up as "pre-obese". :lmao: He works out and does Taekwondo, the man is all muscle.

Schools have taken on too many roles that should be left up to the parents.
 
Disneyrsh said:
Oops, I don't want to turn this into a nurse flame post, that wasn't my intention. MIL is a retired NICU nurse. What I'm trying to say is let the nurses be nurses, not pencil pushers.

I am annoyed that they're making nurses do silly parental-replacement type stuff when most parents are capable of assessing their kids' weight, along with making sure their teeth are clean and their eyes are checked. It's when public school starts getting all Big Brother that I start to get really annoyed.


The problem is that there are a LOT of parents that DON'T do this. You look at an inner city school for example and a vast majority of those kids don't get breakfast. Their parents aren't going to worry about their weight if they aren't feeding them or if they get twinkies for breakfast or what ever. Then, do they even have dental care? Who knows. So, the state passes a law saying that the school nurse needs to screen for dental problems, scoliosis, hearing, vision, etc. and the parent in the suburbs get mad because the school is all "Big Brother". Then they get REALLY mad if they only require this in a poor school because that is racial profiling you know. Darned if you do, Darned if you don't.

I have NO problem with the school nurse checking these things. There was one girl in DS's class that was severely anorexic and hid it VERY well. They didn't discover her problem until they did the annual height/weight checks with the vision and hearing screening. She weighed about 85 lbs at 5'7" tall, yikes. I help the nurse with the vision and hearing tests and do you know how many kids we find each year that either can't see or can't hear?????
 
My parents didn't realize my sister couldn't see well until she was screened at school.

I think BMI is a poor measure of overweight, but (believe it or not!) many parents who are obese themselves, don't realize their kids are bordering on obesity too. Obesity is a very serious, and prevalent, health problem in kids.
 
This thread reminds me of my daughter and the Scoliosis Screening at school. She developed Scoliosis at age 4.5 due to factors from her birth defect going wrong. She went into a back brace for three years or so, then had back surgery at age 8.5 to try to correct the curve as much as possbile. (Went from 60 degrees to about 19). She also had to go to school out of her regular area due to issued with the brace early on.
Then when she was about 10 or 11, the school sends home a note about her having Scoliosis. Like we didn't already know! And, couldn't you tell by the scar down her back? :rolleyes: Well we sent word back that yes we knew and it was on her file about this. They then sent back word saying we had to have a note from her doctor! What! All of this was already on her file for pete's sake.
These people really make you wonder what they use for brains sometimes.:)
BTW, we just ignored the last letter....
Kim
 
PrincessKitty1 said:
My parents didn't realize my sister couldn't see well until she was screened at school.

This is so common because visual check-ups is not something people usually do for young children. Like it was explained to me.......if you have always been hard of hearing, how would you know you are supposed to be able to understand a voice from across the room? Same goes with sight. if you have never had 20/20 vision, how do you know that the vision you have is bad so that you can tell someone you can't see well? My son always wanted to sit close to the tv. How many kids sit close to the tv? Lots. My brother and I always got yelled at for sitting so close. We never had bad eyesight as young childen. So, when my son did, I never thought anything of it. We had him enrolled in a private daycare at the age of 3. At the age of 4, they started "schoolwork" and used the blackboard. One day stopped in to get my son and the teacher asked me if I had ever had my son tested for vision. I looked at her like she had a 3rd eye. I asked why. She said she had to move my son's desk all the way to the chalkboard before he could read the words....yes, his desk was TOUCHING the board. When I took my son in for testing, it was found that he could not see any better than I could after almost 10 years of deteriorated vision. At that time, I couldn't see the tv without my glasses unless I was on top of it, so I knew what the world looked like for him, however he did not know there should be a difference. I felt like such a horrible parent. I wondered how long he walked around blind like that. Wondered if this was a sudden development or if he had always had poor vision. I highly recommend parents add visual screenings to the list of normal check-ups as they would teeth, etc.
 
Disneyrsh said:
Why can't the nurses just do what they're hired to do, care for illness, look for lice and put bandaids on boo boos...
Wow, I find this comment to be extremely offensive. :(

ROLE OF THE SCHOOL NURSE

INTRODUCTION

The practice of school nursing began in the United States on October 1, 1902 when the initial role of the school nurse was to reduce absenteeism by intervening with students and families regarding health care needs related to communicable diseases. While the nurse’s role has expanded greatly from its original focus, the essence of the practice remains the same. The school nurse supports student success by providing health care assessment, intervention, and follow-up for all children within the school setting.

BACKGROUND

In 1999, the National Association of School Nurses Board of Directors defined school nursing as:

A specialized practice of professional nursing that advances the well-being, academic success, and life-long achievement of students. To that end, school nurses facilitate positive student responses to normal development; promote health and safety; intervene with actual and potential health problems; provide case management services; and actively collaborate with others to build student and family capacity for adaptation, self management, self advocacy, and learning.

Inherent in this definition is the framework that school nurses engage in professional nursing practice, use the nursing process for decision-making, document the care they provide, and assure confidentiality. Professional nurses address the physical, mental, emotional, and social health of their clients. In addition, professional school nurses have as the ultimate outcome of their practice, the support of student success in the learning process. In this context the school nurse provides services to the entire school population, which may include infants, toddlers, pre-schoolers, children with special needs, traditional school populations, and, to a limited degree, adults within the school community.

ROLE OF THE SCHOOL NURSE

Seven roles of the school nurse have evolved from this definition.

The school nurse provides direct health care to students and staff.
The school nurse provides care to students and staff who have been injured or who present with acute illnesses. Care may involve treatment of health problems within the scope of nursing practice, communication with parents for treatment, and referral to other providers. The school nurse uses the nursing process to assess, plan, implement, and evaluate care for students with chronic health conditions. This care should begin with the development of a nursing care plan (also known as an individualized health care plan) that should include an emergency action plan. The school nurse is responsible for medication administration and the performance of health care procedures that are within the scope of nursing practice and are ordered by an appropriately licensed health care provider. The school nurse also assists faculty and staff in monitoring chronic health conditions. As the scope of nursing practice expands to utilize the increasingly complex technology needed to provide up-to-date care for clients, the school nurse’s body of knowledge grows through personal professional development.

The school nurse provides leadership for the provision of health services.
In addition to providing health services directly, the school nurse must take into account the nature of the school environment, including available resources. As the health care expert within the school, the school nurse assesses the overall system of care and develops a plan for assuring that health needs are met. This leadership role includes developing a plan for responding to emergencies and disasters and training staff to respond appropriately. It also involves the appropriate delegation of care within applicable laws. Delegation to others involves initial assessment, training, competency validation, supervision, and evaluation by the school nurse.

The school nurse provides screening and referral for health conditions.
In order to address potential health problems that are barriers to learning or symptoms of underlying medical conditions, the school nurse often engages in screening activities. Screening activities may include vision, hearing, postural, body mass index, or other screening. Determination of which screenings should be performed is based on several factors, including legal obligations, the validity of the screening test, the cost-effectiveness of the screening program, and the availability of resources to assure referral and follow-up.

The school nurse promotes a healthy school environment.
The school nurse provides for the physical and emotional safety of the school community. The school nurse monitors immunizations, assures appropriate exclusion from and re-entry into school, and reports communicable diseases as required by law. The school nurse provides leadership to the school in implementing precautions for blood borne pathogens and other infectious diseases. The school nurse also assesses the physical environment of the school and takes actions to improve health and safety. Such activities may include an assessment of the playground, indoor air quality evaluation, or a review of patterns of illness or injury to determine a source of concern. Additionally, the school nurse addresses the emotional environment of the school to decrease conditions that may lead to bullying and violence and/or an environment not conducive to optimal mental health and learning.

The school nurse promotes health.
The school nurse provides health education by providing health information directly to individual students, groups of students, or classes or by providing guidance about the health education curriculum, encouraging comprehensive, sequential, and age appropriate information. They may also provide programs to staff, families, and the community on health topics. Other health promotion activities may include health fairs for students, families, or staff, consultation with other school staff such as food service personnel or physical education teachers regarding healthy lifestyles, and staff wellness programs. The school nurse is a member of the coordinated school health team that promotes the health and well-being of school members through collaborative efforts.

The school nurse serves in a leadership role for health policies and programs.
As the health care expert within the school system, the school nurse takes a leadership role in the development and evaluation of school health policies. The school nurse participates in and provides leadership to coordinated school health programs, crises/disaster management teams, and school health advisory councils. The school nurse promotes nursing as a career by discussions with students as appropriate, role modeling, and serving as a preceptor for student nurses or as a mentor for others beginning school nursing practice. Additionally, the school nurse participates in measuring outcomes or research, as appropriate, to advance the profession and advocates for programs and policies that positively affect the health of students or impact the profession of school nursing.

The school nurse serves as a liaison between school personnel, family, community, and health care providers.
The school nurse participates as the health expert on Individualized Education Plan and 504 teams and on student and family assistance teams. As case manager, the nurse communicates with the family through telephone calls, assures them with written communication and home visits as needed, and serves as a representative of the school community. The school nurse also communicates with community health providers and community health care agencies while ensuring appropriate confidentiality, develops community partnerships, and serves on community coalitions to promote the health of the community.

The school nurse may take on additional roles to meet the needs of the school community.

CONCLUSION

Healthy children are successful learners. The school nurse has a multi-faceted role within the school setting, one that supports the physical, mental, emotional, and social health of students and their success in the learning process.
 
I do not want the school nurse touching my child for any reason. I dont know WHERE our district gets their school nurses from! Last time I went in to give my daughter a breathing treatment at lunchtime I used the nurses office and she says "wow, I have never seen a machine like that before, back when I went to school we used a glass tube and a bulb"!!!! Thats "machine" was just a standard nebulizer!!! I do NOT need them weighing my child. checking her eyes (she goes to the eye Dr once a year for a full exam) checking her teeth (she goes to the dentist twice a year) her hearing she gets checked yearly at a real Dr, she gets a full physical from her Dr once a year..that is sufficient, I do not need the school sticking their nose into my childs health. If they start doing BMI counts I am going to get the letter home saying my child is to skinny yet her Dr says she is just perfect! One time they said I could leave the nebulizer and the nurse would do the breathing treatments....No thanks, I will run over during lunch from work and do it myself.
 
If they are a public school, they are likely mandated to do what they are doing. Your complaint may be more with your state legislature than the school nurse, or even the school.
 
aprilgail2 said:
I do not want the school nurse touching my child for any reason. I dont know WHERE our district gets their school nurses from! Last time I went in to give my daughter a breathing treatment at lunchtime I used the nurses office and she says "wow, I have never seen a machine like that before, back when I went to school we used a glass tube and a bulb"!!!! Thats "machine" was just a standard nebulizer!!! I do NOT need them weighing my child. checking her eyes (she goes to the eye Dr once a year for a full exam) checking her teeth (she goes to the dentist twice a year) her hearing she gets checked yearly at a real Dr, she gets a full physical from her Dr once a year..that is sufficient, I do not need the school sticking their nose into my childs health. If they start doing BMI counts I am going to get the letter home saying my child is to skinny yet her Dr says she is just perfect! One time they said I could leave the nebulizer and the nurse would do the breathing treatments....No thanks, I will run over during lunch from work and do it myself.


Well, when your DD falls on the playground and breaks her leg, I am sure the nurse will leave her there until you can get the time off of work to come take care of her then.
 
golfgal said:
The problem is that there are a LOT of parents that DON'T do this. You look at an inner city school for example and a vast majority of those kids don't get breakfast. Their parents aren't going to worry about their weight if they aren't feeding them or if they get twinkies for breakfast or what ever. Then, do they even have dental care? Who knows. So, the state passes a law saying that the school nurse needs to screen for dental problems, scoliosis, hearing, vision, etc. and the parent in the suburbs get mad because the school is all "Big Brother". Then they get REALLY mad if they only require this in a poor school because that is racial profiling you know. Darned if you do, Darned if you don't.

I have NO problem with the school nurse checking these things. There was one girl in DS's class that was severely anorexic and hid it VERY well. They didn't discover her problem until they did the annual height/weight checks with the vision and hearing screening. She weighed about 85 lbs at 5'7" tall, yikes. I help the nurse with the vision and hearing tests and do you know how many kids we find each year that either can't see or can't hear?????
I partially agree with you BUT most of the kids who are in the position you mentioned get free lunch and breakfast , parents do not give them breakfast because they get the free one in school. I know many people in my comunity that not only get free lunches but also free medical care for the children , and they all have braces in their mouths that the parents did not pay for , I know because when I mentioned to one of them what I had to pay for my daughter's braces ( and she still needs more work ) they almost fainted and said they didn't pay a dime.
Yes many kids don't get this kind of care unless the school does it , make it mandatory just like they do with shots and until this is done by a doctor , do not allow the kids in school , you will see how fast they would take them to a doctor or dentist.
And now here are the parents who do take them , who struggle to take them to dentists because they have to pay an arm and a leg for it since they are not eligible for any state insurance program because the parents make too much money , and those are the ones whose kids are put on the spot like it or not.
The BMI test thing is a new mandatory test for this year that goes for grades K-4 and every year it will go up 3 more grades until it covers all grades. And as far as hearing and vision screening goes.....my daughter was examined and told that her vision was 40/70 , I had her re-tested by her eye doctor ( that she was already under the care of ) and her test came back 30/30, BIG difference if you ask me. At least if they are going to do tests, they should do ACCURATE tests or request them to be done by physicians.
BTW , my daughter is 5' 3" and is 140 lbs , all muscle and very active. I have been told already by her doctor who is a friend of ours , if the school has a problem with her , he will deal with them.
 

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