At Last! All Illegal Immigrants to be expelled.

[CheshireVal]

Yeah! What supreme logic! Who cares about kids anyway! Why treat them like human beings when they are part of the problem! Education's over-rated anyway.

How does sending them back home equate to not treating them like humans? Can't they get education at home? Why do *we* need to pay for them to use our education system when their parents are not helping support it through taxes?

 

[cardaway]

And the immigrants ( Oriental, European, Mexican) are always there, some of them walk to work, or get there in a cab, but they are always there, no cigarett breaks, no complaining. Of course on his company they must be legal to work there.

In my experience it's all about the money, and in many cases time with the family is worth more than the money. For others, the opposite.

And it's Asians, a rug is Oriental.

 

[Belle for President]

How does sending them back home equate to not treating them like humans? Can't they get education at home? Why do *we* need to pay for them to use our education system when their parents are not helping support it through taxes?

If we are going to use rhetoric like "freedom" and "equality" to describe who we are as a nation, then we should exhibit behaviors that warrent this description. Because ultimately we will be judged by our actions and humanity. And that's what matters.

 

[toto2]

We love Walmart!
I pay less for good quality product.

Again , my comment about walmart was about people not being willing to pay for things if they would cost more because the service or product would be made by people who make them being paid a wage that is descent.

 

[CheshireVal]

If we are going to use rhetoric like "freedom" and "equality" to describe who we are as a nation, then we should exhibit behaviors that warrent this description. Because ultimately we will be judged by our actions and humanity. And that's what matters.

Oh, but *freedom* is such a very subjective word.

And because the gov't has imposed limits on immigration in this country, then obviously people from around the world don't have any sort of inherent "freedom" to come here or "freedom" to stay here under the law.

 

[PixieDust32]

In my experience it's all about the money, and in many cases time with the family is worth more than the money. For others, the opposite.

And it's Asians, a rug is Oriental.

Oops! Well, they called themselves Like that. lots of people called the hispanic community, Mexican or Latin also. so!

It's about the money, when they need to eat and pay bills. To us (DH and I) we rather spend more time with the kids than having 2 jobs to make more $$, but we aren't in their shoes.

 

[Belle for President]

Oh, but *freedom* is such a very subjective word.

And because the gov't has imposed limits on immigration in this country, then obviously people from around the world don't have any sort of inherent "freedom" to come here or "freedom" to stay here under the law.

You are hiding behind legality and ignoring the moral responsibilities that lay beneath such terms.

 

[CheshireVal]

You are hiding behind legality and ignoring the moral responsibilities that lay beneath such terms.

Sorry, I have no personal moral responsibility to protect illegal immigrants.

 

[dennis99ss]

I just love the fact that all these people just want to p*** on the Constitution. Even Dawnct, who is a Bushie, I believe, and supports a strict construction of the constitution, am I right?, I think even Scalia would say the Constitution allows for the child to become a citizen.

I wonder how many of these people saying ship them home, actually live in locations that have economies dependant on migrant/illegal/etc. workers. Houston does. There would be a failure of this economy. There would be no lower support, such as lawn work, cleaning, restaurant help, etc. There would be no houses built, there would be no bricklayers, no carpenters, etc.

Send them back!

Right, so, you are willing to pay double for the products and services they work in, (or more) while your wages cannot be increased, due to the increase of expenses incurred by the business you are employed by, as a result of the loss of tghe labor.

Short sighted. I agree with the NY poster, who indicated that it is rightous for people to attempt to better themselves.

I probably use some of these people, and I would think some of them have worked on the houses I have built. I applaud them. They work, then, they work, and then, they work.

 

[dennis99ss]

They have a work ethic that moany americans have forgotten about. They have the work ethic of the old Irish, German, Itilian, etc. immigrants.

 

[dennis99ss]

No personal moral responsibility to protect illegal immigrants? So, you do have a moral responsibility to protect someone here legally, but if they are illegal, your moral dilema, because their human status has changed in some way, no longer exists. So, I guess a dog here legally deserves more protection than that human being.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

You are hiding behind legality and ignoring the moral responsibilities that lay beneath such terms.

What about the moral responsibilities of those who illegally enter this country? I suppose in your reality moral responsibilities only lie with the U.S., not with anyone else?

 

[DawnCt1]

What about the moral responsibilities of those who illegally enter this country? I suppose in your reality moral responsibilities only lie with the U.S., not with anyone else?

You got that right! It's hard to imagine that the number of illegal aliens from Mexico who are here exceed the number of Mexicans who have entered this country legally but that seems to be the way it is. Do you really need 11 million more criminals here? I don't think so.

 

[mickeyfan2]

They have a work ethic that many americans have forgotten about. They have the work ethic of the old Irish, German, Itilian, etc. immigrants.

Yes and their children will take the same path as the "old" immigrants' children did and slack off.



I know that no illegal did one bit of work on my home. I was the general contractor and paid only legals and citizens to work on my house. I don't have lawn service or a house keeper. If I did, again I would not hire an illegal.

As far as the one post about them getting $10/hour. That is clear and non-taxed money. So how are they paying taxes?

 

[toto2]

What about the moral responsibilities of those who illegally enter this country? I suppose in your reality moral responsibilities only lie with the U.S., not with anyone else?

Illegally entering a country might be illegal ( that is obvious , I know) but it is not immoral.

Jeopardize somone health or life , or putting them in danger is immoral

 

[DawnCt1]

Illegally entering a country might be illegal ( that is obvious , I know) but it is not immoral.

Jeopardize somone health or life , or putting them in danger is immoral

Stealing and lying are not immoral?? Tell that to the refillable mug and children's passports for an 11 year old crowd.
Illegal aliens who enter the country do not pay taxes. Therefore they are stealing health care, avoiding paying automobile insurance, sending their children to our schools without constributing one dime, and utilizing the safety resources of whatever town or city they live in without contributing. IF they pay taxes, then they have had to engage in identity theft by stealing someone elses SS number, etc. So, in my opinion, its illegal and its immoral.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

Illegally entering a country might be illegal ( that is obvious , I know) but it is not immoral.

If you want to split hairs...

Jeopardize somone health or life , or putting them in danger is immoral

The use of medical services, public services, welfare, schools, etc. by illegal aliens can jeopardize another person's health or life by draining or restricting access to these resources by someone who lives in this country legally.

So, yes, they are illegal AND immoral.

 

[cardaway]

If you want to split hairs... The use of medical services, public services, welfare, schools, etc. by illegal aliens can jeopardize another person's health or life by draining or restricting access to these resources by someone who lives in this country legally.

So, yes, they are illegal AND immoral.

Don't forget the amount of money that has to wasted on dealing with the whole illegal system in the first place.

Sometimes I wonder if it would be more economical to protect the borders rather than deal with the aftermath.

 

[dennis99ss]

The moral statements are misqouted, I think. Illegality and immorality are two different terms, with two different meanings.

Immoral can mean illegal, but it does not have to. An illegal act does not necessarily need to be immoral. It is illegal to steal, but, would it be immoral to steal if a life could be saved as a direct result?

It may be illegal to cross the border, but that does not make the action, per se, immoral.

Additionally, simply because one person's actions may be immoral, does not mean that the actor opposite the immoral action is allowed to ignore his moral responsibilities.

If the illegal's actions are immoral, it does not mean that the way we treat them is absolved from morality. The way we treat them must be moral as well, which is treating them with all the rights and dignoty as we would someone who is not illegal.

 

[cardaway]

If the illegal's actions are immoral, it does not mean that the way we treat them is absolved from morality. The way we treat them must be moral as well, which is treating them with all the rights and dignoty as we would someone who is not illegal.

Which is why we should deport them safely rather than shoot them.