Asia Disney Parks closed due to Coronavirus (SHDL, HKDL, TDL)

[Alison S]

I actually wonder if I already had it in Australia. Early Dec I had my worse flu in years including 24hrs where my chest was on fire. Took me weeks to recover. I work with a few guys that travel to China all the time. Plus get train that stops at suburbs that are almost all chinnese and Korean. No way early Jan 60k people in one area suddenly got it when it has such a long period to show signs. I reckon its been around for while. I know in Australia they said this year flu shot wasn't very successful. How would they know it wasn't coronavirus if they didn't know to test for it
This article about 2019 flu season in Australia says it didn't effect many but higher death rate espically in older people
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/04/health/flu-australia-america.html

Finally, someone else who thinks they had it! My DH and I both were sick for 3 weeks in January with the flu. He never gets sick so it was quite shocking for him! We both had flu shots in November. I know it's probably just a regular flu that wasn't in the shot, but still I wonder...

I also thought it was weird at the time that our two kids didn't get sick. But it would make sense if it was covid-19.

 

[Dreams&wishes]

In Lombardy they have now advised all people over 65 to stay indoors and they will be organising volunteers to bring food and necessary items. This is gonna a mammoth effort, but because it affects older people so much their think that it's in their best interest and to stop the virus to do so. My parents are 70 so I will let you know how it goes...

 

[mckennarose]

but the run on food, goods, and surgical masks is being fed by the media.

The sensationalized news stories combined with social media posts are out of control. On our local news on Friday it was headlined "how the coronovirus is affecting our area; area native has coronavirus". Turns out the person who had it hasn't lived here for 30 years! And he had it in Japan and never set foot in the US. And they way it "impacted" our areas was only that some old friends were concerned about him. Just the headline alone freaked people out around here and some didn't bother to research the whole story before passing it on to others. It's irresponsible.

 

[clarker99]

The sensationalized news stories combined with social media posts are out of control. On our local news on Friday it was headlined "how the coronovirus is affecting our area; area native has coronavirus". Turns out the person who had it hasn't lived here for 30 years! And he had it in Japan and never set foot in the US. And they way it "impacted" our areas was only that some old friends were concerned about him. Just the headline alone freaked people out around here and some didn't bother to research the whole story before passing it on to others. It's irresponsible.

The media hysteria, clickbait and 24hrs new cycle is my problem. Context-less reporting is doing way more harm than good. There is a lot to be concerned about but also there a lot of FUD that people have to sift through to find real information. It is exhausting.

 

[Q-man]

John Hopkins has a tracking website. Pretty sobering removing politics from the stats. It has been moving been a 3-3.5% global fatality rate all day. That's higher than the Spanish flu. https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

 

[Thecouch]

Finally, someone else who thinks they had it! My DH and I both were sick for 3 weeks in January with the flu. He never gets sick so it was quite shocking for him! We both had flu shots in November. I know it's probably just a regular flu that wasn't in the shot, but still I wonder...

I also thought it was weird at the time that our two kids didn't get sick. But it would make sense if it was covid-19.

Same here. I have 5 kids and none of them got sick. My wife was sick for a few days so was waiting for kids but they were fine

 

[Sparkly]

John Hopkins has a tracking website. Pretty sobering removing politics from the stats. It has been moving been a 3-3.5% global fatality rate all day. That's higher than the Spanish flu. https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

This also is part of the problem. It's good to have information and the stats are kind of interesting, but at the same time, it's TOO much information. I don't need to know every time somebody so much as coughs. 10 years ago with the Swine Flu social media wasn't nearly as widespread as it is now.

It's lead to me freaking out when I came down with a cough, even though it's very unlikely to be the virus. I just can't deal with the constant stream of information shoved in my face online, on social media, on my smart phone all the time.

 

[Q-man]

I just posted this on another thread:

‘In 2009, we had a 2 week holiday to Mexico booked. H1N1 caused Canada to block flights to Mexico. Through our travel agent (and tour company), we re-booked to go to WDW. So, WDW did not close.

H1N1 which (depending on what you read) had bw 200k-500k deaths related to it. This COVID-19 is not on that level at all.’

H1N1 had a case fatality rate of .01-.08%. Present COVID-19 case fatality rate is over 3%.

 

[Q-man]

This also is part of the problem. It's good to have information and the stats are kind of interesting, but at the same time, it's TOO much information. I don't need to know every time somebody so much as coughs. 10 years ago with the Swine Flu social media wasn't nearly as widespread as it is now.

It's lead to me freaking out when I came down with a cough, even though it's very unlikely to be the virus. I just can't deal with the constant stream of information shoved in my face online, on social media, on my smart phone all the time.

Real documented numbers without an agenda are the problem???

 

[Q-man]

Are a lot of people canceling WDW trips? Seems like there are more Disney hotels available Easter weekend - and at a cheaper price - compared to a few weeks ago.

I've been looking at Hilton Head for Spring Break and there is a bunch of stuff that wasn't there last week. Haven't looked at the Hilton Head DVC.

 

[TwoMisfits]

This also is part of the problem. It's good to have information and the stats are kind of interesting, but at the same time, it's TOO much information. I don't need to know every time somebody so much as coughs. 10 years ago with the Swine Flu social media wasn't nearly as widespread as it is now.

It's lead to me freaking out when I came down with a cough, even though it's very unlikely to be the virus. I just can't deal with the constant stream of information shoved in my face online, on social media, on my smart phone all the time.

What I've been doing...and what's a good idea...is stepping away from the computer for a few hours every day.

If you're sick, that may mean you can't go out (to places like Church, the movies, a restaurant, etc - places I've been the last few days), but you can still shut the internet down.

Find a good book you haven't read yet - either in paper form, or get one from Amazon.
Take a walk in your neighborhood or just sit on your porch - fresh air and nature are always calming.
Take a hot bubble bath - in bonus, it will also help the cough.
Find a movie or new series you haven't caught up with yet on whatever entertainment streaming you have...and plan to watch and episode or two a day - note, do NOT watch the news - fluff only!
Start spring cleaning inside or out. In bonus, it will also help you see what you might need if stuff goes badly...

I could go on...but again, mental sanity has always been gained by being able to shut everything down for awhile...so plan for that, and it will make you feel better. You can't stop the 24-7 cycle, but you can break yourself away from it.

 

[clarker99]

John Hopkins has a tracking website. Pretty sobering removing politics from the stats. It has been moving been 3-3.5% global fatality rate all day. That's higher than the Spanish flu. https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

The macro numbers are important. But where is the context? Mean/Median ages, socio-ecomonic background, health condition, pre-existing conditions etc

S.Korea’s at a 0.46% death rate. In 3736 cases? Why so low?

Plus, the trends are still not pointing to anywhere near 500k deaths like H1N1 (Knock on wood).

 

[Thecouch]

S.Korea’s at a 0.46% death rate. In 3736 cases? Why so low?

Sth Korea is a weird one. Most the early on one's are from a big cult (they have members all over the world) and haven't been sharing info. There leader was just charged with murder by the government for not cooperating

 

[TwoMisfits]

Sth Korea is a weird one. Most the early on one's are from a big cult (they have members all over the world) and haven't been sharing info. There leader was just charged with murder by the government for not cooperating

It seems the virus takes 3-4 weeks in most to do what it's gonna do. It's probably too early in SK to see trends one way or the other (it's the same reason their recovered cases are only 30)...

 

[DeniseJH]

Sth Korea is a weird one. Most the early on one's are from a big cult (they have members all over the world) and haven't been sharing info. There leader was just charged with murder by the government for not cooperating

I feel like I'm living in the craziest movie!

 

[HuskieJohn]

First positive pre test rumored to be in FL
https://t.co/zkUfY8URNI?amp=1

 

[Brianstl]

Sth Korea is a weird one. Most the early on one's are from a big cult (they have members all over the world) and haven't been sharing info. There leader was just charged with murder by the government for not cooperating

people don’t just drop dead immediately from this. The rise in fatalities lags behind the rise in the number of cases.

 

[QueenElinor]

You also have to factor in that we have much better healthcare than they did 100 years ago. So it could be as deadly or even more deadly than the Spanish influenza was but it is just mitigated by better healthcare.

Yes, and the problem is that the places with the worst healthcare are also places where information doesn't flow freely (that's not a coincidence, BTW). The rumors out of places like NK and Iran are pretty terrible, and seem to correspond with what happened in Wuhan and the extreme Chinese reaction to this virus in that province. So this really restricts our knowledge of what the virus is doing. But it tells us that in areas without good healthcare, the outcomes are pretty bad- we just don't know how bad.

But this much we DO know:
If 20% of victims need modern hospital care and aren't getting it, then where does that put the fatality rate? 15%? Higher? This makes the 1918 flu look like the sniffles.

Now think about Africa.

 

[Q-man]

The macro numbers are important. But where is the context? Mean/Median ages, socio-ecomonic background, health condition, pre-existing conditions etc

S.Korea’s at a 0.46% death rate. In 3736 cases? Why so low?

Plus, the trends are still not pointing to anywhere near 500k deaths like H1N1 (Knock on wood).

One week ago the reported SK infected numbers were 800-900 with a 3% fatality rate. I'd wait a 2-3 weeks to see if fatality numbers follow case numbers or if catching it earlier has significantly cut that as wide spread testing has just begun in SK.

 

[Krandor]

Cisco had a bit devnet conferences scheduled in mountain view CA for march 10-11. Just cancelled.

When big companies like cisco are cancelling stuff in the US I get more concerned because I am sure a company like cisco is talked to CDC and others before making that call.