Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo

[luvsJack]

I really don't know I feel about this. I know through prayer God will and does cure people.

Then again I think the parents should do everything in there power to save this boy.

Yes, but He didn't give those dr.'s the gift He gave them for nothing. Sometimes the dr. IS the answer to the prayer. This mom doesn't need to be a mom if she would put her child through this and not be doing everything possible to get her son the best possible care.

My sil had cancer and she also used a combination of dr.'s, chemo, radiation and diet, vitamins etc. She was cancer free within a year and has, thankfully, stayed that way for many years. The diet and vitamins helped her tremendously through the treatments but she would have never considered replacing the treatments with them.



Bumbershoot, things happen everyday that cannot be explained; things that are different from the norm. Your husband was fortunate; that doesn't mean everyone would have the same outcome. Western medicine seems to be something you have an extreme issue with--that's unfortunate. There are many talented and caring dr.'s out there if just given the opportunity to do their job.

 

[happygirl]

Yes, but He didn't give those dr.'s the gift He gave them for nothing. Sometimes the dr. IS the answer to the prayer. This mom doesn't need to be a mom if she would put her child through this and not be doing everything possible to get her son the best possible care.

My sil had cancer and she also used a combination of dr.'s, chemo, radiation and diet, vitamins etc. She was cancer free within a year and has, thankfully, stayed that way for many years. The diet and vitamins helped her tremendously through the treatments but she would have never considered replacing the treatments with them.



Bumbershoot, things happen everyday that cannot be explained; things that are different from the norm. Your husband was fortunate; that doesn't mean everyone would have the same outcome. Western medicine seems to be something you have an extreme issue with--that's unfortunate. There are many talented and caring dr.'s out there if just given the opportunity to do their job.

I agree it goes back to a old joke a man was drowing and people kept throwing him lifesavers and he said no my God will save me, This went on several time, The man makes it to heaven and he says Lord why didn't you save me he said I gave you many lifesavers. There are so many religious that don't believe in Dr's. I believe in Dr and would do anything for my kids but in away I see where this woman is coming from with her views

 

[Mickey Fliers]

Did you hear the sound of the buzzer? That says that the statement is wrong. (yes I changed the way I said that, I just get so ANGRY at American "culture" and the religion of western medicine...western medicine has gotten control of the laws, the courts, everyone, and it is ridiculous and harmful to MANY people) Almost 10 years ago my husband healed a brain tumor withOUT any western medicine. Hyperbaric chamber treatments, enzymes, a severe macrobiotic diet (no fish b/c the fish we can get in America fish are so polluted). By the first post-diagnosis MRI it was already shrinking. Inside 2 years it was gone. Never a bit of radiation, not a drop of chemo, and it was inoperable.

He had to fight the diagnosing doctors at University of WA Medical Center. He had to hire an attorney to protect him b/c they were threatening him with being committed and treated against his will.

He was making about 20K a year and had to pay for all of his "alternative" treatments out of pocket. No one could "treat" him for the tumor, b/c in WA, at least, it's not legal for anyone but an oncologist to "treat cancer". So it was all considered supportive for his body's immune system, not treating it.

And it's gone, and by the time I met him it had been gone for a couple years.


If you read a bio of Dirk Benedict, you'll find out that he healed testicular cancer in just about the same way.

You don't hear about it b/c the doctors can't talk about it, b/c it's not allowed for people to treat cancer patients (for the cancer) in any OTHER way than the drugs or radiation.

But just b/c you don't hear about doesn't mean it doesn't happen every day.



And if he dies because of the treatment? Or how about despite the treatment?

Or how about because of something else they did along with the treatment?

My mom died b/c of a missed diagnosis of a bleeding ulcer, which was exacerbated b/c of the blood thinners they still had her on, despite being in remission from leukemia. Her doctors stopped billing when my stepdad reminded them of the four BIG symptoms she had in the month before she died, that they laughed at, ignored, and said "huh, that's weird" to. He could have sued them, righteously, for who knows HOW much money for missing that...after all, her chiropractor daughter, within a moment of being told the symptoms, had diagnosed that bleeding ulcer. Shouldn't have been that hard for the MDs, but they missed it, and they slunk away and stopped billing (even insurance), after stepdad reminded him of that.

So, if he dies because of or despite the western medical treatment...you'll be 100% behind the doctors taking full responsibility????????

I certainly can't be the only one who finds this post condescending and offensive?

"You don't hear about it b/c the doctors can't talk about it, b/c it's not allowed for people to treat cancer patients (for the cancer) in any OTHER way than the drugs or radiation. "

Yep, all of those evil doctors just watching everyone die while they know that herbs will do the trick. All those parents that watched their children suffer and wither away just weren't informed or fighting hard enough. Please!

 

[tlens]

Chemo is toxic. That's the point. Unfortunately it kills good cells as well as bad. A boy can't make an educated decision. He took one dose of chemo. Most likely got violently ill and figured he felt better without the chemo. Mom can't stand watching him so sick and convinces herself that no chemo is better. Unless you have your head in the sand, living in some Yurt and peeing in a bucket, you'd know modern medicine is this boy's best chance of survival.

 

[tlens]

I certainly can't be the only one who finds this post condescending and offensive?

"You don't hear about it b/c the doctors can't talk about it, b/c it's not allowed for people to treat cancer patients (for the cancer) in any OTHER way than the drugs or radiation. "

Yep, all of those evil doctors just watching everyone die while they know that herbs will do the trick. All those parents that watched their children suffer and wither away just weren't informed or fighting hard enough. Please!

Like you, I also find it astonishing that there are people out there who honestly think this way. That these people devoted so much of their lives to getting a medical education to help people when in reality, it was all greed and having their hand in the coffers of the big pharmaceutical companies. These people never give it a thought that these doctors might actually care about the people they treat. That they have their best interests at heart. You think a pediatric oncologist goes through what he goes through daily, watching little kids get to the brink of death, and mnay passing into death, for greed. What a heart-wrenching profession to be undertaken if the sole purpose is greed.

The attitude of these people towards doctors is disgusting.

 

[monkey68]

I love how so many people are convinced modern medicine is evil, and they can cure everything with herbs and yoga, but when something really bad happens, and they run to the "evil doctors", and they can't do anything because by that time, it's far too late, they're the first ones to sue the doctors.

Sorry, not directed at anyone here, just my sister's crazy ex-husband's family. This reminded me of it.

Legally, a parent can't refuse life saving treatment for their children. They don't know what the child will decide when they are old enough, and if the parent is refusing life saving treatment, the hospitals and the courts have and should have every right to intervene. Hodgkin's Disease is very treatable, I think the cure rates are something like 90%, especially in the teen-young adult age group without any other co-morbities. I hope this kid gets the treatment he deserves, and the mom given a big smack upside the head.

 

[imabrat]

Good for you!! That is something to celebrate! Please keep us posted on your followup, and after what you have been through? You have earned your screen name. Be the biggest BRAT you want to be!

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Good luck with your check-up.. With your fight and strong will, I'm sure the report will be a good one!!

You go girl!

On this case of the 13 year-old boy: the Mom sounds like a nutt! I hope they find them and throw her in the slammer for endangering her son!

Thank you all so, so, so, so, so much!

I certainly can't be the only one who finds this post condescending and offensive?

"You don't hear about it b/c the doctors can't talk about it, b/c it's not allowed for people to treat cancer patients (for the cancer) in any OTHER way than the drugs or radiation. "

Yep, all of those evil doctors just watching everyone die while they know that herbs will do the trick. All those parents that watched their children suffer and wither away just weren't informed or fighting hard enough. Please!

Yes, I kind of did find it condescending partially because it was directed at me.

 

[CowboyCO]

Who Knew? I have a family member fighting a vicious, rare cancer. Too bad that instead of intensive chemo, radiation and surgery, she could have been cured by the stuff I put on last Sunday's roast chicken.

 

[Shelton123]

I have to agree with Sonya! Herbal stuff does help, but it can't work on its own. As a co-survivor I can say that I'm glad my DGF's religion uses herbal remedies in conjunction with modern medicine. Modern medicine CAN work on its own, though. It does work better with herbs, because you can trace modern medicine back to the herbal remedies, they're just more advanced and work better. To JUST use herbal remedies is... kind of not that smart. Actually, it's really not that smart.

 

[Nancy]

And some tumors regress spontaneously for no apparent reason. Your DH was lucky. Medical science knows, that with proper treatment, this child can be cured. If you have had good luck with your choice of care, you and your DH are adults. Children do not have the life experience to make these life and death decisions. If he died despite western medical treatment, it will be unfortunate but he will have been given the best chance that he will have ever had. If you believe in "alternative care", that is fine. For you to tell someone, who has survived cancer from the age of 14 that she is wrong, is "just wrong".

wrong but not surprising considering who wrote it. Every single post she goes on that deals with anything remotely medical shows her disdain of medicine. It is bad and evil don't you know.

Well, in this case you said "brain tumor". Not all brain tumors are cancerous, just like not all bone tumors are cancerous, etc. Did your husband have MRIs, CT scans, etc to confirm there, in fact, was a tumor there and not just a cyst?

DawnCT1, thank you. It was tough and you bet I complained, but there was nothing I can do. All I could do was sit back, fight, and pray to God I would be healed. Thankfully, I have been cancer free for 14 months, and I am going back in a week for my next check-ups.

I agree...congrats.

I certainly can't be the only one who finds this post condescending and offensive?

"You don't hear about it b/c the doctors can't talk about it, b/c it's not allowed for people to treat cancer patients (for the cancer) in any OTHER way than the drugs or radiation. "

Yep, all of those evil doctors just watching everyone die while they know that herbs will do the trick. All those parents that watched their children suffer and wither away just weren't informed or fighting hard enough. Please!

I find it condescending and extremely offensive. My Mom has survived caner twice thanks to modern medicine..sorry herbs weren't going to cut a tumor out of her breast.

Chemo is toxic. That's the point. Unfortunately it kills good cells as well as bad. A boy can't make an educated decision. He took one dose of chemo. Most likely got violently ill and figured he felt better without the chemo. Mom can't stand watching him so sick and convinces herself that no chemo is better. Unless you have your head in the sand, living in some Yurt and peeing in a bucket, you'd know modern medicine is this boy's best chance of survival.

Like you, I also find it astonishing that there are people out there who honestly think this way. That these people devoted so much of their lives to getting a medical education to help people when in reality, it was all greed and having their hand in the coffers of the big pharmaceutical companies. These people never give it a thought that these doctors might actually care about the people they treat. That they have their best interests at heart. You think a pediatric oncologist goes through what he goes through daily, watching little kids get to the brink of death, and mnay passing into death, for greed. What a heart-wrenching profession to be undertaken if the sole purpose is greed.

The attitude of these people towards doctors is disgusting.

I too find it disgusting, hopefully these people will never need the help of real medical doctors that are trained through years and years of school.

 

[DISUNC]

I have been cancer free for 14 months, and I am going back in a week for my next check-ups.

YIPPIE​

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Back to the topic at hand. Just because someone is a "Parent" does not automatically make them Smart, or Thoughtfull or even a Good person.
It is quite obvious that this woman has placed her a child in a Fatal position. No more different then if she has him dangling from a cliff. She is a danger to him.

 

[crashbb]

imabrat - congratulations on your 14 months cancer free. Don't let Bumbershoot get you down - if she keeps true to form, she won't be back here anyway. You'll get used to her random spiel of nonsense on any thread to do with medicine.

Back on topic, given the evidence as presented, it definitely seems like the mother is failing her child (the article doesn't mention any developmental delay that would lead to the child being illiterate at 14, so the medical issue is not the first way in which she appears to be failing her child).

 

[debster812]

I certainly can't be the only one who finds this post condescending and offensive?

"You don't hear about it b/c the doctors can't talk about it, b/c it's not allowed for people to treat cancer patients (for the cancer) in any OTHER way than the drugs or radiation. "

Yep, all of those evil doctors just watching everyone die while they know that herbs will do the trick. All those parents that watched their children suffer and wither away just weren't informed or fighting hard enough. Please!

Bolding mine.

No, you are not the only one. Pretty much par for the course, from what I've seen. Condescending and offensive with a hefty side order of patronization for good measure.

imabrat--CONGRATS on your 14 month all clear, you're a trouper and fighter.

 

[TCPluto]

I just get so ANGRY at American "culture" and the religion of western medicine...western medicine has gotten control of the laws, the courts, everyone, and it is ridiculous and harmful to MANY people) Almost 10 years ago my husband healed a brain tumor withOUT any western medicine.

And it's gone, and by the time I met him it had been gone for a couple years.

Wow!! This is out there!

I hope no one truly believes this stuff......

 

[imabrat]

YIPPIE​

___________________

Back to the topic at hand. Just because someone is a "Parent" does not automatically make them Smart, or Thoughtfull or even a Good person.
It is quite obvious that this woman has placed her a child in a Fatal position. No more different then if she has him dangling from a cliff. She is a danger to him.

imabrat - congratulations on your 14 months cancer free. Don't let Bumbershoot get you down - if she keeps true to form, she won't be back here anyway. You'll get used to her random spiel of nonsense on any thread to do with medicine.

Bolding mine.

No, you are not the only one. Pretty much par for the course, from what I've seen. Condescending and offensive with a hefty side order of patronization for good measure.

imabrat--CONGRATS on your 14 month all clear, you're a trouper and fighter.

Thank you all! I was diagnosed 2 months after my 14th birthday, and now I'm 16 and in remission.

 

[Eeyores Butterfly]

Bumbershoot:

The family tried the herbal stuff and the doctor said the tumor was the same size it was when the boy was first diangosed even though it had initially shrunk after the first course of chemo, so clearly it was the western medicine in this case that helped the boy not the herbs.

The parents tried it, it didn't work, now they need to face reality and give that poor boy a chance at survival. I highly doubt that a thirteen year old who is unable to even read and whose mother would not the let the doctor even discuss his cancer with him is capable of making an informed decision on this case.

 

["Got Disney"]

Did you hear the sound of the buzzer? That says that the statement is wrong. (yes I changed the way I said that, I just get so ANGRY at American "culture" and the religion of western medicine...western medicine has gotten control of the laws, the courts, everyone, and it is ridiculous and harmful to MANY people) Almost 10 years ago my husband healed a brain tumor withOUT any western medicine. Hyperbaric chamber treatments, enzymes, a severe macrobiotic diet (no fish b/c the fish we can get in America fish are so polluted). By the first post-diagnosis MRI it was already shrinking. Inside 2 years it was gone. Never a bit of radiation, not a drop of chemo, and it was inoperable.

He had to fight the diagnosing doctors at University of WA Medical Center. He had to hire an attorney to protect him b/c they were threatening him with being committed and treated against his will.

He was making about 20K a year and had to pay for all of his "alternative" treatments out of pocket. No one could "treat" him for the tumor, b/c in WA, at least, it's not legal for anyone but an oncologist to "treat cancer". So it was all considered supportive for his body's immune system, not treating it.

And it's gone, and by the time I met him it had been gone for a couple years.


If you read a bio of Dirk Benedict, you'll find out that he healed testicular cancer in just about the same way.

You don't hear about it b/c the doctors can't talk about it, b/c it's not allowed for people to treat cancer patients (for the cancer) in any OTHER way than the drugs or radiation.

But just b/c you don't hear about doesn't mean it doesn't happen every day.



And if he dies because of the treatment? Or how about despite the treatment?

Or how about because of something else they did along with the treatment?

My mom died b/c of a missed diagnosis of a bleeding ulcer, which was exacerbated b/c of the blood thinners they still had her on, despite being in remission from leukemia. Her doctors stopped billing when my stepdad reminded them of the four BIG symptoms she had in the month before she died, that they laughed at, ignored, and said "huh, that's weird" to. He could have sued them, righteously, for who knows HOW much money for missing that...after all, her chiropractor daughter, within a moment of being told the symptoms, had diagnosed that bleeding ulcer. Shouldn't have been that hard for the MDs, but they missed it, and they slunk away and stopped billing (even insurance), after stepdad reminded him of that.

So, if he dies because of or despite the western medical treatment...you'll be 100% behind the doctors taking full responsibility????????

So does this mean you and DH never go to a Dr because of Western Medicine ? And if you got Cancer that was malignant would you totally avoid western medicine for treatment? Also not sure if you have kids but would you avoid treatment for your child like Chemo? And just go holistic or something? Curious...

 

[ryan840]

I would like to know more about this boy, not being able to read at 13 jumped out at me right away too.

I definitely agree that this boy needs chemo and his parents are doing him a huge disservice but I am hoping it is out of love and true belief that they are doing what's best. It's really easy to make judgments when you are on the outside looking in but only the family knows their true motives. Poor kid! I hope they find him so they can begin his treatment and he can put all this behind him that much sooner!

imabrat- Congrats on being in remission!

 

[chisnpeke]

Did you hear the sound of the buzzer? That says that the statement is wrong. (yes I changed the way I said that, I just get so ANGRY at American "culture" and the religion of western medicine...western medicine has gotten control of the laws, the courts, everyone, and it is ridiculous and harmful to MANY people) Almost 10 years ago my husband healed a brain tumor withOUT any western medicine. Hyperbaric chamber treatments, enzymes, a severe macrobiotic diet (no fish b/c the fish we can get in America fish are so polluted). By the first post-diagnosis MRI it was already shrinking. Inside 2 years it was gone. Never a bit of radiation, not a drop of chemo, and it was inoperable.

Maybe you should write a book on alternative medicine and the woes you have encountered in the cruel medical community? In all seriousness, you seem to have many experiences where you or a family member have been killed or seriously injured by modern medicine. Yet, former rampant diseases are now eradicated thanks to modern medicine! Millions of lives have been saved because of this terrible thing called modern medicine. I know there are things that go wrong in hospitals and in the medical community, but the good far outweighs the bad. I'm sure herbs do have their part to help with cancer but unfortuantely the only thing we have that works effectively right now is poison.

You're correct about the fish, by the way. The way the meat, fish, poultry in this country is raised is disgusting and the hormones injected have potential to be dangerous, so I will give you that. I'd rather not eat it at all so I don't.

 

[MarkFL]

I just get so ANGRY at American "culture" and the religion of western medicine...western medicine has gotten control of the laws, the courts, everyone, and it is ridiculous and harmful to MANY people

Parens patriae is a centuries-old doctrine. It has nothing to do with evil doctors controlling people. It simply says that the State is obligated to intervene on the behalf of children or mentally incapacitated adults.