Argo why wrongly bash the Brits yet again

[cabanafrau]

Henry the Eighth has taken quite a cinematic beating.

 

[gometros]

Henry the Eighth has taken quite a cinematic beating.

Not more than his wives took from him

 

[Lorelei Lee]

Wait a minute. . . In Titanic the nasty piece of work Rose was supposed to marry was (gaso) an American. As were Rose and Jack. Script didn't really pass judgment on the ship's owners, builders or crew. There were other movies about the Titanic that were more focused on laying blame.

Yes, Affleck did take dramatic license with Argo. I saw a tv documentary over the weekend about the event.

Did you catch the error in Lincoln? Spielberg had Connecticut voting against the 13th amendment, when in fact they actually voted for it.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Agree 100%! I've never, ever sensed an anti-British sentiment in the U.S.
Anti-French OTOH...

Remember now its Hollywood, not the rest of the states........in fact most of us don't think of Hollywood as part of the States, in fact most of hollywood think they to smart and know it all and are above the rest of the world.


They like to beleive their own press releases.

AKK

 

[WDSearcher]

Hmmm...I live here and didn't see any of that in the news. There were stories about it when it first came out (especially before they changed the wording of the afterward), but nothing in the lead up to the Oscars. It was mentioned yesterday that he did thank Canada, but I never heard/read anyone saying that it would be bad if he didn't. Not saying you didn't, but it wasn't all over the news, as implied.

Other than some characters (Rose's family, for example) being British and being portrayed in a poor light, I don't see how Titanic slagged the Brits at all. And the "bad" British characters weren't made to represent their country - they just happened to be be British.

Well it seemed "all over" to me, since pretty much every time I turned on CBC, there seemed to be a story about the Oscars. And every time they talked Oscars -- which they did a fair amount as there were Canadians favored in key races -- someone would bring up Argo and how this person or that person was upset about how downplayed the Canadian role was and how they'd be pretty upset if Ben Affleck didn't thank Canada. Several articles in the papers too. Maybe I was just seeing it more because I had limited television channels available to me in my hotel!

 

[sunshinehighway]

This thread kind of reminds me of the end of The Muppet. The British bad guy has a line about why is he typecast as a bad guy just because of his scary British accent. He's a Muppet not a Moopet. I guess even The Muppets see the Brit bashing.

 

[msjprincess]

Remember now its Hollywood, not the rest of the states........in fact most of us don't think of Hollywood as part of the States, in fact most of hollywood think they to smart and know it all and are above the rest of the world.


They like to beleive their own press releases.

AKK

Really?

 

[Skywalker]

James Cameron is Canadian so using him as an exmaple of American bashing Britain is just weird, lol.

I haven't seen Argo but I will. I would imagine most people that see take it as a true story. I can understand getting a little frustrated with the portrayal especially if people really did risk their own safety and then come off looking bad or "lesser important" in the film simply because they are trying to make the Americans look better, braver, more heroic, etc etc.

Yes people could make their own documentary but lets face it how many will see it compared to who will see an A-List Hollywood movie? This is the going to be the common knowledge story from here on out.

 

[Ceila]

James Cameron is Canadian so using him as an exmaple of American bashing Britain is just weird, lol.

I haven't seen Argo but I will. I would imagine most people that see take it as a true story. I can understand getting a little frustrated with the portrayal especially if people really did risk their own safety and then come off looking bad or "lesser important" in the film simply because they are trying to make the Americans look better, braver, more heroic, etc etc.

Yes people could make their own documentary but lets face it how many will see it compared to who will see an A-List Hollywood movie? This is the going to be the common knowledge story from here on out.

You're right, I can see that point of view; it makes sense. I'm willing to change my viewpoint on how people might interpret the movie. I still don't think that any reasonable person would interpret it as British-hating as the OP seems to, though.

 

[Skywalker]

Well it seemed "all over" to me, since pretty much every time I turned on CBC, there seemed to be a story about the Oscars. And every time they talked Oscars -- which they did a fair amount as there were Canadians favored in key races -- someone would bring up Argo and how this person or that person was upset about how downplayed the Canadian role was and how they'd be pretty upset if Ben Affleck didn't thank Canada. Several articles in the papers too. Maybe I was just seeing it more because I had limited television channels available to me in my hotel!

And by "this person or that person" do you mean Ken Taylor the Canadian Ambassador who actually rescued the American hostages, lol? He was doing the interview circuit just before the Oscars so that is why you saw him here and there. And the fact that you reduce him to "this person or that person" just goes to prove the point, lol.

 

[NotUrsula]

I thought that the Titanic was built in Ireland?

Yes, the Irish built an unsinkable ship.

But the British Captain and Chief Officer sank it.

j/k. I have no clue how the British were bashed in the movie Titanic.

The Titanic was built at the Harland and Wolff yards in Belfast. That's Northern Ireland, and it was then and is now part of the UK. H&W is still in business and so is the shipyard; these days it mostly manufacturers renewable energy equipment. If you fly into the Belfast City Airport, you drive right past the yard's giant yellow gantry cranes on the way in and out of the airport.

BTW, the character of the nasty fiance in Cameron's Titanic, "Caledon Hockley" wasn't British, he was supposed to be an American from Philadelphia. He was portrayed by an American actor from Chicago, Billy Zane.

Perhaps the OP feels that the character of J. Bruce Ismay was derogatorily portrayed in the film. Unfortunately, Cameron wasn't embroidering much in that regard; Ismay was widely considered a jerk by his contemporaries, and he was vilified in both the US and the UK press at the time for not choosing to go down with the ship.

 

[Robbi]

Henry the Eighth has taken quite a cinematic beating.

And rightly so. Today he would have been put on trial as a serial killer or at least conspiracy to murder.

 

[cabanafrau]

And rightly so. Today he would have been put on trial as a serial killer or at least conspiracy to murder.

What if he's just misunderstood, a misconception largely fueled by Hollywood taking artistic license with his story?

 

[EmJay2001]

Former President Carter took the time to comment on the film as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr5XJ8dbJtg

 

[Robbi]

What if he's just misunderstood, a misconception largely fueled by Hollywood taking artistic license with his story?

It's in historical papers. Unless there was a huge conspiracy set in motion while he was still alive to slander him, it's true. Not to mention, his son and 2 daughters who sat on the throne did nothing to change the story.
If anything, the program, The Tudors did not treat him as poorly as they could have and neither did Anne Of the Thousand Days just to name a couple of examples.

 

[cabanafrau]

It's in historical papers. Unless there was a huge conspiracy set in motion while he was still alive to slander him, it's true. Not to mention, his son and 2 daughters who sat on the throne did nothing to change the story.
If anything, the program, The Tudors did not treat him as poorly as they could have and neither did Anne Of the Thousand Days just to name a couple of examples.

Twas just a little levity, nothing more.

 

[msjprincess]

It's in historical papers. Unless there was a huge conspiracy set in motion while he was still alive to slander him, it's true. Not to mention, his son and 2 daughters who sat on the throne did nothing to change the story.
If anything, the program, The Tudors did not treat him as poorly as they could have and neither did Anne Of the Thousand Days just to name a couple of examples.

I may be mistaken but I'm pretty sure that cabanafrau was joking in both posts. LOL

 

[yeartolate]

Henry the Eighth has taken quite a cinematic beating.

The music world either..

I am 'enery the 8th I am....'enery the eith I am I am....I got marred to the widow next door........

 

[cabanafrau]

The music world either..

I am 'enery the 8th I am....'enery the eith I am I am....I got marred to the widow next door........

To be fair, that portrayal originated on the other side of the pond, so I think maybe that's Brits taking a swipe at their own -- nothing to do with us Yanks.

 

[LSmith]

James Cameron is Canadian so using him as an exmaple of American bashing Britain is just weird, lol.

I haven't seen Argo but I will. I would imagine most people that see take it as a true story. I can understand getting a little frustrated with the portrayal especially if people really did risk their own safety and then come off looking bad or "lesser important" in the film simply because they are trying to make the Americans look better, braver, more heroic, etc etc.

Yes people could make their own documentary but lets face it how many will see it compared to who will see an A-List Hollywood movie? This is the going to be the common knowledge story from here on out.

True.

The fact is that many, if not most, of the key players in this crisis are still alive. It would make sense to stick with the actual known facts and not take huge "creative license" with the movie. In Argo, they've basically rewritten history.