Argo why wrongly bash the Brits yet again

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It was bad enough when Cameron had a go at the British in Titanic, but now Ben afflick's done it with Argo and he has really angered the British diplomats who DID GIVE THE AMERICANS SELTER!!!!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/...h-diplomats-who-helped-Americans-in-Iran.html

It's been described as one of the best new films of the year and has already been tipped as a potential Oscar winner for Ben Affleck, who is both its star and its director.
The $44 million Hollywood movie Argo tells the extraordinary story of how six American diplomats were smuggled out of Iran at the height of the 1979 Islamic revolution, in a subterfuge that involved an elaborately faked film project.
The officials had narrowly avoided being among those captured when Iranian militants invaded the US embassy compound and took 52 other American staff hostage, sparking an international crisis that was to last for 14 months.
But behind the Hollywood version of how the six State Department officials hid out at the Canadian ambassador's home while the CIA prepared the daring escape plan lie questions of historical accuracy that have infuriated British diplomats who were in Tehran at the time.
The six American diplomats had earlier been given sanctuary when they turned up unexpectedly at the British embassy's summer compound in northern Tehran, desperately seeking shelter from the anti-Western mobs roaming the volatile city.
Yet not only does Hollywood's account write out the British officials who sheltered the Americans but it also claims, falsely, that the US staff were "turned away" from the British embassy in their hour of need.
The film's director, Ben Affleck, claims to have depicted it "as best I can, factually".
But Sir John Graham, 86, who was Britain's ambassador to Iran at the time, said: "It is not the truth that they were turned away from the British Embassy. We gave them all help at the time.
"My immediate reaction on hearing about this was one of outrage. I have since simmered down, but am still very distressed that the film-makers should have got it so wrong. My concern is that the inaccurate account should not enter the mythology of the events in Tehran in November 1979."
Arthur Wyatt, 83, who was then the British charge d'affaires in Tehran, said: "Hollywood's record in this is certainly lacking in many cases. I'm disappointed to hear how we have been portrayed.
"The Americans who had escaped from their embassy fetched up at our summer compound in northern Tehran, and I think they stayed there for one night before moving on to the Canadians. If it had been discovered we were helping them I can assure you we'd all have been for the high jump."
Mr Wyatt, who served as a diplomat for 45 years, was awarded the Companion of the Order of St Michael and St George for his work in Tehran - in recognition of the risks he took at the time.
Most British staff were soon withdrawn but Mr Wyatt stayed behind and sent books, chocolate and other supplies to three American diplomats hiding elsewhere in Tehran - another act of kindness unrecognised in Argo.
"We were living on our nerves and under constant threat," said Mr Wyatt. "The revolutionary regime ignored all the rules of diplomatic protection and the Vienna Convention. When they over-ran our embassy too, I said to one of them: 'You can't do this; we're diplomats.' He just waved his machine pistol around and replied: 'This is what matters.'"
Sir Nicholas Barrington, head of the British interest section at the Swedish embassy in Tehran from 1981 to 1983, following the closure of the British Embassy, said: "There was no question of the British just rejecting the Americans. The diplomatic community would do what they could to help.
"Hollywood have got rules about depicting the British as villains - it's part of Hollywood tradition."
Mr Affleck, who also stars in the leading role and has been tipped for an Oscar for his directorship, has admitted agonising over taking such liberties but said he had depicted events "as best I can, factually". The film's script also fails to credit the New Zealand diplomats who helped the group's passage to safety.
"I struggled with this long and hard, because it casts Britain and New Zealand in a way that is not totally fair," he conceded. "But I was setting up a situation where you needed to get a sense that these six people had nowhere else to go. It does not mean to diminish anyone."
US consular officer Robert Anders and the five colleagues who fled into hiding with him were spirited out of Iran three months later, using a CIA-invented cover story that they were members of a Canadian sci-fi film crew.
 
Because Argo is a FICTIONAL movie based on a true storie. Much of this movie was exaturated.
 
It was bad enough when Cameron had a go at the British in Titanic, but now Ben afflick's done it with Argo and he has really angered the British diplomats who DID GIVE THE AMERICANS SELTER!!!!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/...h-diplomats-who-helped-Americans-in-Iran.html

It's been described as one of the best new films of the year and has already been tipped as a potential Oscar winner for Ben Affleck, who is both its star and its director.
The $44 million Hollywood movie Argo tells the extraordinary story of how six American diplomats were smuggled out of Iran at the height of the 1979 Islamic revolution, in a subterfuge that involved an elaborately faked film project.
The officials had narrowly avoided being among those captured when Iranian militants invaded the US embassy compound and took 52 other American staff hostage, sparking an international crisis that was to last for 14 months.
But behind the Hollywood version of how the six State Department officials hid out at the Canadian ambassador's home while the CIA prepared the daring escape plan lie questions of historical accuracy that have infuriated British diplomats who were in Tehran at the time.
The six American diplomats had earlier been given sanctuary when they turned up unexpectedly at the British embassy's summer compound in northern Tehran, desperately seeking shelter from the anti-Western mobs roaming the volatile city.
Yet not only does Hollywood's account write out the British officials who sheltered the Americans but it also claims, falsely, that the US staff were "turned away" from the British embassy in their hour of need.
The film's director, Ben Affleck, claims to have depicted it "as best I can, factually".
But Sir John Graham, 86, who was Britain's ambassador to Iran at the time, said: "It is not the truth that they were turned away from the British Embassy. We gave them all help at the time.
"My immediate reaction on hearing about this was one of outrage. I have since simmered down, but am still very distressed that the film-makers should have got it so wrong. My concern is that the inaccurate account should not enter the mythology of the events in Tehran in November 1979."
Arthur Wyatt, 83, who was then the British charge d'affaires in Tehran, said: "Hollywood's record in this is certainly lacking in many cases. I'm disappointed to hear how we have been portrayed.
"The Americans who had escaped from their embassy fetched up at our summer compound in northern Tehran, and I think they stayed there for one night before moving on to the Canadians. If it had been discovered we were helping them I can assure you we'd all have been for the high jump."
Mr Wyatt, who served as a diplomat for 45 years, was awarded the Companion of the Order of St Michael and St George for his work in Tehran - in recognition of the risks he took at the time.
Most British staff were soon withdrawn but Mr Wyatt stayed behind and sent books, chocolate and other supplies to three American diplomats hiding elsewhere in Tehran - another act of kindness unrecognised in Argo.
"We were living on our nerves and under constant threat," said Mr Wyatt. "The revolutionary regime ignored all the rules of diplomatic protection and the Vienna Convention. When they over-ran our embassy too, I said to one of them: 'You can't do this; we're diplomats.' He just waved his machine pistol around and replied: 'This is what matters.'"
Sir Nicholas Barrington, head of the British interest section at the Swedish embassy in Tehran from 1981 to 1983, following the closure of the British Embassy, said: "There was no question of the British just rejecting the Americans. The diplomatic community would do what they could to help.
"Hollywood have got rules about depicting the British as villains - it's part of Hollywood tradition."
Mr Affleck, who also stars in the leading role and has been tipped for an Oscar for his directorship, has admitted agonising over taking such liberties but said he had depicted events "as best I can, factually". The film's script also fails to credit the New Zealand diplomats who helped the group's passage to safety.
"I struggled with this long and hard, because it casts Britain and New Zealand in a way that is not totally fair," he conceded. "But I was setting up a situation where you needed to get a sense that these six people had nowhere else to go. It does not mean to diminish anyone."
US consular officer Robert Anders and the five colleagues who fled into hiding with him were spirited out of Iran three months later, using a CIA-invented cover story that they were members of a Canadian sci-fi film crew.

Hmm, yes, please do get upset over a fictionalized movie, because normally all nationalities are always depicted accurately in all films worldwide. :rolleyes:

Honestly, you seem to mostly post about the unfortunate incidents from our news over here, and get upset at the smallest perceived slight against your country. Why the hate for us? And why spend so much time on a board that has so many Americans on it if we are so beneath you?

BTW, I would much prefer if historical events were portrayed accurately, but I'm not going to get upset when they're not. It's just a movie.
 
Why get so upset over a fictionalized account? It happens all the time. There were other people behind the scenes working to get the Americans out. I don't read about them griping.
 

Rules about the British as villains? You need to find better stories.
 
Um, what about Austin Powers?

James Bond?



BTW I watched Argo the night before the OScars and did not come away thinking the British were the bad guys. I could be wrong but I'm fairly certain the IRANIANS were depicted as the bad guys (and to a lesser extent the US government who at times were kind of useless in helping the stranded Americans).

To be honest OP, I don't recall the UK being featured in the film at all.
 
BTW I watched Argo the night before the OScars and did not come away thinking the British were the bad guys. I could be wrong but I'm fairly certain the IRANIANS were depicted as the bad guys

:rotfl:


To be honest OP, I don't recall the UK being featured in the film at all.

::yes:: It sounds like sour graping to me. Especially as it came out the day after ARGO wins. :p


Funny, I always thought it was well known that Britain is the U.S.' greatest political ally.

And we have such a love of the British royal family.

Its the French we notoriously hate, as they are thought to be arrogant & rude. Remember how there was a boycott of french fries for a while? :lmao:
 
I don't know much about that incident, and I haven't seen the film, but I think using "the British wouldn't let us in" is a quicker way to explain why the hostages weren't in the British embassy as opposed to whatever the real reason was. :confused3

And what did Titanic do to the British again?
 
I don't know much about that incident, and I haven't seen the film, but I think using "the British wouldn't let us in" is a quicker way to explain why the hostages weren't in the British embassy as opposed to whatever the real reason was. :confused3

And what did Titanic do to the British again?

Well they did sink and unsinkable ship :rolleyes1
 
I don't know much about that incident, and I haven't seen the film, but I think using "the British wouldn't let us in" is a quicker way to explain why the hostages weren't in the British embassy as opposed to whatever the real reason was. :confused3

And what did Titanic do to the British again?

I didn't see Argo. I did see Titanic and have no idea how to made Brits into the bad guy.
 
FlightlessDuck said:
I don't know much about that incident, and I haven't seen the film, but I think using "the British wouldn't let us in" is a quicker way to explain why the hostages weren't in the British embassy as opposed to whatever the real reason was. :confused3

And what did Titanic do to the British again?

Yea I would like to know the answer to this as well.
 
And the greatest screen hero of all time, James Bond? Who is adored in the US.

And there is that orphan wizard kid too.

I was thinking about Dr. Who, too, but neither that nor Harry Potter is an American creation. Although we do love them over here "across the pond!"
 
BTW I watched Argo the night before the OScars and did not come away thinking the British were the bad guys. I could be wrong but I'm fairly certain the IRANIANS were depicted as the bad guys (and to a lesser extent the US government who at times were kind of useless in helping the stranded Americans).

That's not true at all. What you saw portrayed about the US Gov was also made up. They never got close to abandoning them, that was made up for the movie. Read "Master of Disguise" written by Tony Mendez about his time as an agency employee. Argo was but a very small fraction of his book (and his life), btw. He was portrayed incorrectly in the film as some rogue agent which is very far from the truth. He was very well respected and so many things in the film never happened. It actually was a very well planned and smoothly run operation, but that doesn't make for a good movie.
 
OP, I'm afraid your concerns are baseless, since the USA is loaded with Anglophiles and others who enjoy the British lifestyle. Your culture is adored in the USA, so if you are looking for anti-British sentiment, you'll probably have better luck searching elsewhere. I suppose, however, if you look hard enough for something, you'll fool yourself into thinking you've found it, even where it doesn't exist.
 
Well they did sink and unsinkable ship :rolleyes1

I thought that the Titanic was built in Ireland?

And I personally do not like the way some British actors play Americans . . . why do we all sound really brash and Southern?
 
I thought that the Titanic was built in Ireland?

And I personally do not like the way some British actors play Americans . . . why do we all sound really brash and Southern?

It's funny you say that because I heard Donald Trump(I know, I know) saying he didn't like Daniel Day Lewis playing Lincoln because of that.

I hadn't thought about it before, but we had an actor from England playing Abraham Lincoln. I still want to see it.:goodvibes
 
I thought that the Titanic was built in Ireland?

And I personally do not like the way some British actors play Americans . . . why do we all sound really brash and Southern?

Yes, the Irish built an unsinkable ship.

But the British Captain and Chief Officer sank it. ;)

j/k. I have no clue how the British were bashed in the movie Titanic.
 
It's funny you say that because I heard Donald Trump(I know, I know) saying he didn't like Daniel Day Lewis playing Lincoln because of that.

I hadn't thought about it before, but we had an actor from England playing Abraham Lincoln. I still want to see it.:goodvibes

Trump is always making a big deal out of something stupid.

We are going to have a British Superman too.
 
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