Are You a Deadbeat??: Secret History of the Credit Card on PBS Frontline last night?

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It was very well done!

I consider myself an educated credit card user, but this show was a real inspiration to contact my Senator about some of their policies and the non existant regulations for the industry.

I have my credit card bill set to pay automatically from my Bank account each month (In full). I recently received a change in terms agreement from Chase, stating that my due date can fluctuate monthly!! After seeing this program, I now understand that this is just another way to create late fees for consumers that rely on autopay transfers.

I had planned on calling them regarding this issue, but to see it on Frontline last night, just made me angry.

 
This is from the pbs site.............


» Even if you make your credit card payments on time, the credit card bank can raise your interest rate automatically if you're late on payments elsewhere -- such as on another credit card or on a phone, car, or house payment -- or simply because the bank feels you have taken on too much debt.

This practice is called the "universal default" clause and increasingly is becoming a standard clause in credit card agreements. According to credit card executives, the logic behind universal default is that the bank is not being unreasonable in raising rates when it has reason to believe that the risk of being repaid by the customer has increased. [Note: Credit card banks can now easily track your everyday financial activities and monitor your credit score -- see below.]


» Your credit score -- known as a FICO score -- has become a vital statistic for many Americans and can be widely shared. It is used to determine how much you can borrow, how much you pay for life insurance, if you can rent a home, and, as already noted, it can be a factor in determining the interest rate you pay on a credit card.

Most Americans don't know what their credit score is, nor how it's computed and with whom it's shared. Your credit score is usually determined by five factors, with the most important being the amount you currently owe and your payment history on large debts. (Find out much more about your credit score and how it's tracked, by reading: Credit Scores - What Your Should Know About Your Own.)


» There is no limit on the amount a credit card company can charge a cardholder for being even an hour late with a payment.

In 1996, the U.S. Supreme Court in Smiley vs. Citibank lifted the existing restrictions on late penalty fees. Back then, fees ran to $5 or $10, and usually did not exceed $15. After the Court's decision, fees soared, reaching upwards of $30. Since then, the amount of revenue the companies generate from fees (including late charges, over-the-limit fees, and charges for returned checks) has doubled. Duncan MacDonald, one of the lawyers who worked on the Smiley case, predicts penalty fees could rise to $50 in another year.


» It's important to read the fine print on your credit card agreement.

Not many people do, however. Even credit card executives and consumer advocates admitted to FRONTLINE that the last time they read their own contracts was years ago and the credit card agreement is difficult to understand. Tucked into the fine print that people so often ignore is a clause that allows the company to change your interest rate (APR) at any time, for any reason, as long as they give you 15 days' notice. (So, Read the Fine Print.)


» Many Americans are inattentive about their credit card accounts.

Approximately 35 million Americans pay only the required minimum -- as low as 2 percent -- of their balance each month. Sticking to that rate, it could take years to clear their debt and they'll end up paying far more than the cost of the items or services they bought.

However, many of these 35 million cardholders could pay more than the minimum, and could possibly even pay off in full their balance some months. But they don't -- even though the interest rate they are paying on their credit card balance is considerably higher than what they pay on other things and compared to what they're getting in interest income from their savings account. Is this "financial illiteracy," or just human beings' "irrational behavior?" (Read our report, Credit Cards and Personal Responsibility. Or, try our "Payment Calculator" to see how long it would take you to pay off a balance if you paid just the 2 percent minimum each month.)

[Update - Nov. 2005: Federal regulators at the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, spurred on by watchdog groups, are requiring banks that issue credit cards to increase minimum payments in accordance with guidelines laid out in Feb. 2003. Banks are being required to increase minimum monthly payments to cover all fees and interest incurred during the month as well as covering at least 1 percent of the principal on the loan. Some banks have raised minimum payments by as much as 2 or 3%, effectively doubling the common minimum payment of 2%.]


» There is no federal limit on the interest rate a credit card company can charge.

If you've ever looked at the return address on your statement, you may notice your credit card issuer is located in a state such as South Dakota or Delaware. That's because these are the states that have either weak or no "usury laws" meaning there is no cap on the interest rate that is charged. (View this map that shows the states where the top ten credit card issuers are located.) The federal government once had national usury laws that set a cap on the amount of interest that could be charged on a loan. But after the Great Depression, it repealed them and some states put no new usury laws in place. That's why Citibank, the issuer of Mastercard, moved to South Dakota, which has no cap on interest rates. (For more on the South Dakota story and how the credit card industry took off in the 1980s, read The Ascendancy of the Credit Card Industry.)
Which Are You?

Here's the credit card industry's jargon for its customer categories:

"Revolvers" roll credit card balances over month to month, never paying in full.

"Deadbeats" pay their balances off in full every month.

"Rate Surfers" or "Gamers" shift usage between credit cards based upon interest rates.




» Significant credit card debt can put you at a markedly higher risk of bankruptcy.

Going bankrupt usually isn't the result of spending sprees. It's more commonly triggered by job loss, medical problems, or a divorce. Those hit by any of these misfortunes often turn to credit cards to stay afloat. But if they have trouble finding new sources of income or an illness keeps them off the job, they often cannot pay off their debt quickly, especially if their interest rate is high. "They get their feet tangled up in those high interest rates," says bankruptcy expert Elizabeth Warren, "and they just get sunk."

[Update: On October 17, 2005 a new federal bankruptcy law went into effect making it much more difficult to erase credit card debt by filing for bankruptcy.]


» You can get help.

Several trustworthy organizations exist that can advise people whose debt has spiraled out of control, or those who feel they've been treated unfairly by their credit card companies. For a list of groups offering free advice and for contact information on how to file a complaint if you feel you have been unfairly treated by your credit card company, read our suggestions on "Where To Go."
 
Boston Legal did a great episode about this last week. The CC industry considers people like me "deadbeats" because we pay off our balances in full, thus denying them obscene interest profits. They make money off every transaction, but that isn't enough for them.

Just about everyone I know has a horror story.
 
barbeml said:
Boston Legal did a great episode about this last week. The CC industry considers people like me "deadbeats" because we pay off our balances in full, thus denying them obscene interest profits. They make money off every transaction, but that isn't enough for them.

Just about everyone I know has a horror story.
I just changed my title because I think that is just rude!!!
 

I think your title was fine! It is crazy that the industry hates people with good credit. I read recently that a HUGE percentage of households have ZERO in savings, but the number of people with CC debt over $10,000 is huge.

This whole country is a house of cards.
 
I think that the CC industry hates people like me who realized that they needed to get their credit cards in order - we paid them all off and just have one now for emergencies. I can't tell you how many "new offers" I get in the mail daily.... its no wonder that people get out of control. I got my first card in college and quickly charged it to the limit - didn't think about anything except how cool it was to pay for drinks or buy junk - until the bill came in and I had to start "paying" for it all.

Thanks for posting this!
 
I'm a deadbeat and proud of it! I pay the CC bills in full every month and on time. Never late. Never any interest or penalty charges. They must hate me. Though they do give me lots and lots of reward points ;)
 
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disneysteve said:
I'm a deadbeat and proud of it! I pay the CC bills in full every month and on time. Never late. Never any interest or penalty charges. They must hate me. Though they do give me lots and lots of reward points ;)


You're right.... those reward points are mighty nice, aren't they??!!! :cool1: :rotfl2:
 
LIFERBABE said:
Here's the credit card industry's jargon for its customer categories:

"Revolvers" roll credit card balances over month to month, never paying in full.

"Deadbeats" pay their balances off in full every month.

"Rate Surfers" or "Gamers" shift usage between credit cards based upon interest rates.

By their lingo we've always been "deadbeats". Funny, I thought the opposite: deadbeats never paid their bills. Interesting and rather sick.
 
I saw this too and it just totally renewed my commitment to never have credit card debt again. Excellent program. What I find interesting is the push there is out there everywhere you go to put things on a credit card. We had to get our car fixed and it was twice as much as the estimate and when I groaned at the total, the mechanic tried to sell me on their 3 months same as cash credit card deal. For some people that would be fine, but we are still working on our credit discipline and I was not going to go there. I had the money, I just didn't want to put it in my car!

So, I am curious, what was your original title?
 
I agree that it totally renewed my committment too! We are definitely not perfect when it comes to Credit Cards and I will be sure to pass on what I have learned to my children.

My original Title was DID ANYONE SEE PBS Frontline Special. I missed the beginning where they talked about Deadbeats but then as I was looking at more info on the PBS site I read that and when Barbelm referred to it also, I was just amazed!

I know they are a business out to make money, but you would think that they fall under FDIC regulations or other regulations and they don't! That is just plain scary!
 
disneysteve said:
I'm a deadbeat and proud of it! I pay the CC bills in full every month and on time. Never late. Never any interest or penalty charges. They must hate me. Though they do give me lots and lots of reward points ;)

Steve, you are my hero!
 
LIFERBABE said:
I know they are a business out to make money, but you would think that they fall under FDIC regulations or other regulations and they don't! That is just plain scary!
I just finished reading "The Two Income Family Trap" by Elizabeth Warren and Amy Warren Tyagi. I can't say that I totally buy in to their whole theory, but they make some excellent points and reveal a great deal about how our whole banking and credit system work and how we've gotten to where we are now. If you are interested in learning more about this topic, head over to your local library and pick up this book.

can'twait - Thanks. :blush:
 
Caught some of this also and I tell DH was fired up! He has been singing the debt freedom song for a couple of years now, not there yet but things like this show help renew his faith....thank God for PBS, it keeps us informed.
 
Another proud Deadbeat here! I'm sorry I missed the show.

Thanks for posting!
 
I currently have a $5000 balance on 0% interest on bank of america card. This is my last interest free month. I already have another interest free card lined up to transfer to. I have been floating this interest free loan for 12 months. It started at $10,000. Hlaf paid off and my next transfer will give me another 12 months.

I am worse than a deadbeat.

I am a gamer and proud.
 
LIFERBABE said:
Here's the credit card industry's jargon for its customer categories:

"Revolvers" roll credit card balances over month to month, never paying in full.

"Deadbeats" pay their balances off in full every month.

"Rate Surfers" or "Gamers" shift usage between credit cards based upon interest rates."
What do they call people who don't make any payment for month after month?

Disney hints:
http://members.aol.com/ajaynejr/disney.htm
 
One of the points I found most interesting was that any true loan both parties agree to the terms for the life of the loan, but with a credit card, they can change the terms anytime they feel like it. One guy had been late on another credit card and MBNA whom he had had an account with for years and never been late, raised his interest rate by like 10%. So, that TV you bought for $10K at 3.9% may tomorrow be rated at 23%. THAT is scary!
 





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