Are we good canidates for a small contract..

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The players: dh, myself and dds 3.5 and 16months. We plan on one more if we are fortunate enough to have a third child. Dh and I are 32 and 31.

We have been to Disney twice in the last 1.5 years, and have already scheduled our Sept trip for this year.
We stayed at AKL the first trip, and CSR the second. CSR was fine, but we decided that we like the deluxes better overall.

We initially were holding back on DVC because if we became a family of 5, we would have been limited to a 2 bedroom after all the kids are above the age of 3, which meant big points.

We have considered buying a small resale contract somewhere between 60-75 points. We have considered this for several reasons:

1. We could swing the $6-7000 now, not 15-16000 which we would need if we bought through Disney with the minimum 160 point contracts. And MF are less too.

2. The weekend point requirements seem to be what add a lot to the overall point requirements for a weeks stay. We would be fine staying at a mod or, gasp, a value for a night or two and then transfering to DVC for 5 nights to save points.
75 points should get us enough points for 5 weeknights a studio yearly until our youngest (if we have a third) is three, or a 1 bedroom every other year.

3. With the ability to stay in a 1 bedroom at AKLV with 5 people, it makes it much more tempting to buy in for a family of 5.

4. The smaller point contracts seem easier to sell down the road if needed, although we wouldn't plan on it.

5. I don't see us going more than once a year for a week at most given we live up north, and between airfair and park tickets, it gets too expensive.

6. I crunched the numbers for the possible trips we would take over the next 8-10 years, and it seems that DVC even with MF would pay for itself during that time. Then we'd get to vacation for many more years for the cost of MF.


Now my fears:
1. When the kids get bigger, are they still going to like Disney? I thought at least with a small contract, we could bank and borrow and go every third year, and vacation somewhere else to expand their horizons rather than vacationing at the same place yearly.
But really, is this just a phase we are in, that we'll outgrow? I hate to spend all this money and decide in a few years that we'd rather vacation somewhere else.

2. With a small contract, are we going to be too limited. I tried to crunch the number for points needed, and ~150 for 5 nights in a one bedroom seems to be enough every other year.

3. By buying resale somewhere in the next year, we realistically won't be able to buy in at AKLV. Since we are really hoping to utilize the 1 bedroom with 5 people at AKLV, is it dumb to buy somewhere else, or do you think that after the new building is done, several years out, availability won't be a huge issue at 7 months out?

4. How are the studio's really. They seem to be like normal hotel rooms which is what we stay in now anyway. Are the pull out beds comfortable, or are we subjecting our kids to torture by making them sleep on a couch rather than just booking a normal hotel room with 2 beds if we didn't own DVC. Are the rooms similar in size to a typical hotel room? Meaning are the studios at VWL similar in size to a hotel room at WL?

And finally some random questions:
1. How much are typical closing costs?

2. I keep hearing that it isn't worth it to use your points for non DVC vacations. Are there people out there that use them that do feel it is worth it?

3. I keep trying to figure out how use year is important. Could someone please explain it to me again. Right now we seem to be going in Sept because school isn't a big issue yet, but our times may change as the kids are further into school.

4. I know about the TTS, are there any other good resale places out there?

Thanks for listening to me ramble. Really, any comments or suggestions are appreciated.

Jen
 
As it has been mentioned on this sight before, Disney does allow 5 in a 1BR, but they do not give you additional sheets, pillows, or towels. This could stretch your points further.:)
 
As it has been mentioned on this sight before, Disney does allow 5 in a 1BR, but they do not give you additional sheets, pillows, or towels. This could stretch your points further.:)

So even though the total number of people they quote as being 4, you can actually fit 5 in a one bedroom?
I'm sorry I have never seen this on the boards before, and thought it was considered flameworthy to even ask. As if you were trying to sneek an extra person in a room.

If this is true, I'd be thrilled. Thanks.
 
So even though the total number of people they quote as being 4, you can actually fit 5 in a one bedroom?
I'm sorry I have never seen this on the boards before, and thought it was considered flameworthy to even ask. As if you were trying to sneek an extra person in a room.

If this is true, I'd be thrilled. Thanks.

My guide has told me and confirmed this statement to me. MS will allow you to book 5 in a 1BR. Ther are other threads on this topic. If you use the search link on the blue bar above. Type in max occupancy in dvc resorts, this should answer any questions. Good luck!:) also another reputible timeshare broker for dvc is www.atimeshare.com. Very knowledgeable. Closing costs vary on the total amount of the contract. $300 - $525 I think.
 

Based on your current travel patterns it sounds like you are a perfect DVC family.:thumbsup2 If you are able to afford without stretching it a smaller contract then I say go ahead and buy that now, but realize that it is a real possibility that you may want or need to add on later.

As for your children "outgrowing" Disney, all I can say is that my DD14 and DS10 are still enjoying our vacations...frankly, telling my DD that we may consider something different for next year sends her into a tizzy.:scared1: She seems to think that since the points are there anyway, we should just try the new vacation AND do Disney next summer. Remember that you can always try Vero or Hilton Head if they do "outgrow" WDW. But if they are like most DVC children, an add on will be more likely for you than a total loss of interest.

Your idea of not using points for the weekend is what a lot of DVC families do. Members are able to book rooms at DVC resorts on cash and sometimes there is even a member discount of 25% off rack rates. And of course, you can always stay at a moderate or value if the discounts aren't being offered at that time.

I can't remember what closing costs are, but if you do a search I do remember reading that the TSS had changed their costs maybe a year or so ago. And of course, you can always call them and ask...and get on a list for the property you want if they don't currently have what you would like.

As for booking AKV at the 7 month mark, I don't really think any of us can really predict that yet. I do know that we have been able to book at all the resorts at 7 months out so far.

Sounds like you have already done a lot of homework...good luck with your decision.
 
When the kids get bigger, are they still going to like Disney? I thought at least with a small contract, we could bank and borrow and go every third year, and vacation somewhere else to expand their horizons rather than vacationing at the same place yearly.
But really, is this just a phase we are in, that we'll outgrow? I hate to spend all this money and decide in a few years that we'd rather vacation somewhere else.

Our kids first went to WDW when they were 8 and 11 y/o. We continued to go there as a family until DS reached his late teens, then he said he'd had enough. :sad: DD, like her mother, is a ::MickeyMo freak, so she continued her visits.

We purchased DVC 7 years ago, and we finally got DS to make another trip down----luring him with Daytona 500 tix. :car: :lmao: Now he returns once a year and enjoys Disney again, taking his friends with him. And DD has introduced her DH to the magic of WDW.

We have not outgrown Disney. It was great to be there when the kids were younger, but it's truly wonderful to visit with them now that they're older. I set aside points for them every year (for a Sun-Thur trip), and they just love DVC! The first time I saw my grown children on Keister Coaster, :cloud9: It was like they were little kids again! :grouphug: Our family trips to WDW are very, very special.
 
Now my fears:
1. When the kids get bigger, are they still going to like Disney? I thought at least with a small contract, we could bank and borrow and go every third year, and vacation somewhere else to expand their horizons rather than vacationing at the same place yearly.
But really, is this just a phase we are in, that we'll outgrow? I hate to spend all this money and decide in a few years that we'd rather vacation somewhere else.

2. With a small contract, are we going to be too limited. I tried to crunch the number for points needed, and ~150 for 5 nights in a one bedroom seems to be enough every other year.

3. By buying resale somewhere in the next year, we realistically won't be able to buy in at AKLV. Since we are really hoping to utilize the 1 bedroom with 5 people at AKLV, is it dumb to buy somewhere else, or do you think that after the new building is done, several years out, availability won't be a huge issue at 7 months out?

4. How are the studio's really. They seem to be like normal hotel rooms which is what we stay in now anyway. Are the pull out beds comfortable, or are we subjecting our kids to torture by making them sleep on a couch rather than just booking a normal hotel room with 2 beds if we didn't own DVC. Are the rooms similar in size to a typical hotel room? Meaning are the studios at VWL similar in size to a hotel room at WL?

And finally some random questions:
1. How much are typical closing costs?

2. I keep hearing that it isn't worth it to use your points for non DVC vacations. Are there people out there that use them that do feel it is worth it?

3. I keep trying to figure out how use year is important. Could someone please explain it to me again. Right now we seem to be going in Sept because school isn't a big issue yet, but our times may change as the kids are further into school.

4. I know about the TTS, are there any other good resale places out there?

Thanks for listening to me ramble. Really, any comments or suggestions are appreciated.

Jen

My thoughts...

as for kids outgrowing Disney:

Most folks who say they looked at DVC years ago are sorry they didn't buy sooner. We all think Disney is something the kids will outgrow. Well, I'm 42 and I haven't outgrown it, but I can say my 19 yo son has, mostly. My 17 yo hasn't as much, but my DH and I plan on our 3 trips a year with or without them at this point!

limited with small contract? Well sure...but there are always add-ons down the road if you want.

7 mos availability - this is a HUGE topic, and be careful. I wouldn't make any statements that trading at 7 mos out is easy across the board. It will certainly depend on where you want to trade into, and the time of year. I can say I have all my points at SSR and although I've been able to stay at BWV twice so far with less than 7 mos notice, I can't get into that resort for October and I called at 7 mos. I am keeping my fingers crossed for the waitlist. You HAVE TO BUY WHERE YOU WANT TO STAY. You cannot count on the 7 mos opportunities...IMHO.

Studios - not so bad! I will always prefer a one bedroom for the king size bed, kitchen and larger tub myself, but the studios are really nice. Both my children have used the pull out sofas and they actually like them. And that's saying something since they are BOTH very picky about pull out sofas since they've each spent lots of time in them over the years. The new foam mattresses are really nice.

Use year...I have August....it's nice to get "more" points half way through the year...( I know that's not necessarily a good way to think about it)...but I travel at 3-4 or more different times of the year. I think others have told me to consider UY when you travel at a specific time of year, in case you have to cancel your ressie at some point. But for me, the only problem with my UY is that resales don't come up often enough on the smaller contracts...:sad2:

That's all for me....good luck in your decision. We put ours off for 12 years and continued to pay Disney for rooms or off-sited it in those years. Looked at and toured DVC 3 times before we bought. We always said we could wait. Well, we finally bought when the kids were 18 and 16. I think we waited too long....(except now I can use the points the way I want too!!!!;) )
 
I went alot when my girls were young. However, we stopped. I went back last year with two teenagers (15 and 16). They made fun of my vacation selection until we got there. My more sophisicated teeager was running after characters taking pictures. This summer I offered them disney or hawaii. They chose disney. I said, why.. I thought you had to reduced to a toddler to enjoy disney. She said she learned and is not making that mistake.

This year we are going to AKL and OKW. Also we are taking a 3 day cruise. Next year, I might transfer points for more cruises. I also want to spend some time at Hilton Head.

The initial cost is steep. However, you can do the financing through Disney. I did that for my AKL points.. it is only 100 dollars a month. However, all i need to do is pay for airfare, food and AP... I am done. It really helps.
 
I went alot when my girls were young. However, we stopped. I went back last year with two teenagers (15 and 16). They made fun of my vacation selection until we got there. My more sophisicated teeager was running after characters taking pictures. This summer I offered them disney or hawaii. They chose disney. I said, why.. I thought you had to reduced to a toddler to enjoy disney. She said she learned and is not making that mistake.

That struck me as funny because that's the exact reason I keep going back!

:laughing::rotfl::laughing:
 
Just to clarify on the occupancy situation, the only resort that will allow 5 in a 1B by contract is AKV. DVC began informally allowing 5 at all of the resorts, but it would be well within their rights to change that policy somewhere down the road. Whether they ever would do so remains a topic for debate.

The sleeping configuration is really only suitable for 4 (king bed plus queen sofabed) and they won't give you any extra linens or towels for the 5th person.

Them's the facts. Further discussion / debate of occupancy issues is normally restricted to this thread:

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=901569
 
I have to add that given the official occupancy for 5 people in a 1 bdrm, I'd expect it will be alot harder to get an AKV 1 bdrms @ 7 months or less than any other.

From what I've read here- generally studios and 2 bdrms get booked the quickest at other DVCs. I'm really curious to see if that holds true at AKV or if it will be more equal across the board - just a thought to keep in the back of your mind.
 
So far, so good. My 20 year old DD can't wait to return for our first DVC trip nor can my 16 year old DS. I figure if I have gotten them this far, there may only be a few years that DH and I will be w/out them before grandchildren come along.
 
...(snip).....2. I keep hearing that it isn't worth it to use your points for non DVC vacations. Are there people out there that use them that do feel it is worth it?......(snip).....Jen
If you are only going to buy a small contract, this is probably a moot point. It's unlikely that you will have enough points to enjoy most of the non-DVC options without using up 3 year's worth of points or finding someone to rent you extra points.

Whether or not it is "worth it" to use DVC points is a personal decision. Economically, it depends on how you value your points. Those who say it isn't worth it, value their points at what they can get for them in the rental market - anywhere from $10-$15 each. (It does take some time and effort to rent and is not without risk). Those who say it is worth it, tend to value their points at cost or even at just the cost of the annual dues alone.

To me, it makes a difference if you already have the points (an argument can be made for considering the initial buy in as a "Sunk Cost"), or if you are going to lose them anyway or if you are not yet a member.

I would not advise anyone to buy DVC who plans to regularly use their points outside of the DVC resorts. For those people, I believe the better choice is to buy only enough points to cover their DVC resort trips. Then they can either pay cash for their non-DVC vacations or buy another less expensive time share for trading.
 
I have to add that given the official occupancy for 5 people in a 1 bdrm, I'd expect it will be alot harder to get an AKV 1 bdrms @ 7 months or less than any other.

From what I've read here- generally studios and 2 bdrms get booked the quickest at other DVCs. I'm really curious to see if that holds true at AKV or if it will be more equal across the board - just a thought to keep in the back of your mind.
Plus the 1 BR units at AKV look to be the most difficult even without the occupancy issue.
 
We are looking at buying in AKL so can you explain why the 1bd in AKL look to be the most difficult?
We have 1 ds age 3 and another (girl yeah!!) on the way!!!
Thanks
 
We are looking at buying in AKL so can you explain why the 1bd in AKL look to be the most difficult?
We have 1 ds age 3 and another (girl yeah!!) on the way!!!
Thanks
Comparatively there are simply less of them plus the official sleep 5 options. I'm sure Concierge will be the most difficult followed by value rooms in general. But from a room size demand it appears to me that the 1 BR will be the toughest overall or at least not the most available as they are at all the other DVC resorts other than HH and VB.
 
The other thing to consider is that right now with the kids so young, having that 5th isn't that hard as the 3rd child will probably sleep in a pack and play or port a crib, etc. for a while. By the time the third child is old enough to be out of that sleeping arrangement, you may be financially able to purchase an add-on which would allow you larger accommodations more easily with less points management.

Just my two cents as a parent myself having travelled with little ones to Disney before.
 
The other thing to consider is that right now with the kids so young, having that 5th isn't that hard as the 3rd child will probably sleep in a pack and play or port a crib, etc. for a while.

That's funny, I wish I could convince my 16month old to sleep in her crib at home. Maybe the next one will be more cooperative and think a pack and play is not baby torture.


Thanks everyone for their input. I think we'll do the SSR or AKLV tour in Sept depending on which is available at that time. We'll keep our eye open for a good resale, and hopefully buy when the time is right.

Thanks again
 

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